@Le Kangourou de Kataroo: There are many religious people who they do represent. People have a right to religion and a right to representation.
You may not like it, but taking away their right to debate and argue would be wrong. They aren't the ones making law, they're just putting the religious argument across. More tolerance is needed.
@Agumen: Maybe it's just me but if they want to hold on to their tax-exempt status, they should refrain from spouting off their opinion regarding political issues, period.
Otherwise, I'm sure this economy would benefit quite well from taxing those mother fuckers like every other business.
@Agumen: They are NOT just putting the religious argument across. They are essentially telling congresspeople that they either vote THEIR way or they will pull all support. They're not speaking in a political vacuum.
@Agumen: The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in America. The Stupak amendment was practically written by Catholic Bishops.
I want my right to pick and choose what my tax dollars fund! I'm gonna start sticking notes to my returns saying that I'm totally cool with this funding abortions, but no wars please.
Ha, it's funny that the guy from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops wants "everybody covered and nobody deliberately killed." That statement encompasses both ends of the political spectrum all at once (liberals who want universal coverage, conservatives who are anti-choice), good luck achieving both of those goals simultaneously. Also, I assume by "everybody" he actually means US citizens, I strongly doubt that he wants undocumented workers covered.
@bluetrain84: Or women, really, when their lives are at risk due to pregnancy complications and they cannot depend on insurance to cover the procedure that will save their lives.
@bluetrain84: I'm really pro-choice, but honestly that sentiment is how I think TRUE christians should feel. Everyone should be taken care of and no one deliberately be killed. I can see why anti-choice people would feel this way.
Of course, I also believe this extends to wars and to the death penalty....
@bluetrain84: The Catholic Church actually supports the rights of immigrants, including undocumented workers. The Church supports immigration reform and some Catholic churches that have opened themselves up as safe havens to undocumented immigrants.
@Lymed: That's awesome and I totally support that. But being as we live in a country that theoretically separates Church and State, I don't want the Catholic Church being part of the discussion on healthcare.
@jemandtheholograms: I don't want the Catholic church involved in the discussion on healthcare either. However, they are actually a huge health care provider in this country. There are very large Catholic health systems that run hospitals and I think that is one reason they are getting so much attention talking about reform.
@Lymed: Fair point. They do have a lot of hospitals. I just wish that there was a way to separate the fact that they are providing health care as a religious institution and the religion (which I guess is sort of opposite of the point, but wishful thinking).
@Lymed: Oh, I didn't know that they had an official stand like that, thank you for pointing it out! I was just commenting that those two ideals are generally on opposite sides of the political spectrum rather than being considered together.
yay! For DC Jezzies and those who will be in the area, Planned Parenthood has a national lobby day on December 2 to ensure access to abortion is included in the health care bill. Its on a Wednesday, unfortch, and I have work but might come during lunch.
@pantsless economist...access RESTORED: I've signed up to attend, but I'm not sure how I'll get there. I live in Richmond, and recently had foot surgery, so I'll have to rely on a carpool and have access to seating. Nevertheless, I'm going to try my damnedest to go.
For the first time in decades, the U.S. skating team has no clear-cut Olympic medal contender.
While that is painfully true in the ladies skating, there are other disciplines in figure skating, too. The US currently boasts the reigning world champion in men's figure skating (Evan Lysacek) and the reigning silver medalists in ice dancing (Belbin and Agosto). They've been performing well this season, too: all three just won Skate America in their respective fields. We'll see Ol' Glory hoisted over that icy podium yet. #horses
There's Kim Yu Na of South Korea, the woman who's a good bet to win the Olympic gold. She's skating to a medley of James Bond music for her short program. #horses
I wonder if all the male horses stand on the perimeter and complain to each other about how the female horses walk away with a sneer when they go up behind them and start grinding awkwardly. And then stare down the girl horses while trying to figure out why they can't get a date. #horses
@J.D.Regent: I don't have qualms with it because they are talking about serial abusers and men with allegations from several different women. It isn't as if a guy gets accused once and than put on the list. #horses
I'm one of those "anti-choice" women who doesn't think this elective procedure should be covered by insurance. Not all of us are cold-hearted idiots. Most of us, in fact, aren't.
I know this is off-topic, but I'm really interested and I don't know if anyone is still reading the original post from earlier about health care reform. Can someone explain to me what the current state of the bill means for undocumented workers? Can they not receive health care, period? #healthcarereform
@RiloKilo: In the House Bill, undocumented workers will not be able to purchase the public plan or a plan offered on the exchange. My understanding is that they can still have insurance if offered through their employer or they can purchase individual coverage outside of the exchange. #healthcarereform
Sargent, you don't have to say it is a significant step backward for "advocates of abortion rights and women's health issues." It is much quicker & easier to say "women." #healthcarereform
@SarahMC: Oh I know. It's totally a case of "The Only Moral Abortion Is My Abortion" ([mypage.direct.ca]). And they don't realize that taking away one facet of reproductive health care is a slippery slope to start sliding down. #healthcarereform
I'm trying really hard not to get too worked up about this because I KNOW that there are at least two more iterations of this bill to come before it's all said and done. This is seriously why I quit poli sci. I don't have the patience for this shit. #healthcarereform
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I did not elect them. I am not Catholic. I am not represented by them. If the media just STOPS paying attention to them, maybe they'll go away.
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You may not like it, but taking away their right to debate and argue would be wrong. They aren't the ones making law, they're just putting the religious argument across. More tolerance is needed.
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And then when they accept my tax filing, thus proving there IS a secret programme? Sweet confirmation, baby. And they won't even realize they did it.
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Of course, I also believe this extends to wars and to the death penalty....
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For the first time in decades, the U.S. skating team has no clear-cut Olympic medal contender.
While that is painfully true in the ladies skating, there are other disciplines in figure skating, too. The US currently boasts the reigning world champion in men's figure skating (Evan Lysacek) and the reigning silver medalists in ice dancing (Belbin and Agosto). They've been performing well this season, too: all three just won Skate America in their respective fields. We'll see Ol' Glory hoisted over that icy podium yet. #horses
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There's Kim Yu Na of South Korea, the woman who's a good bet to win the Olympic gold. She's skating to a medley of James Bond music for her short program. #horses
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PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.
This commenter only magically appears when there are contentious abortion related posts.
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. #healthcarereform
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The only time I've noticed this person on Jezebel is when they've decided they want to get in an anti-choice argument. #healthcarereform
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