My husband and I did in vitro fertilization, so wasn't my kid that I'm currently pregnant with . . . made in a dish?
On a weird side note, I actually found out that the embryologist who "made" my kid is the wife of a colleague of mine at work . . . and she totally saw me naked.
Also, you can't just make people in a dish. Uteruses are kind of important, as well as all the hormones and whatnot. You can fertilize cells in a dish for sure, but there's a reason we implant those and don't grow them in jars like in A Brave New World.
@sciencerules: Yet. I'm developing a synthetic uterus prototype in my bathroom. It's mostly construction paper and party balloons at this point so it's probably a ways out from clinical trials, but I'm pretty optimistic.
Um...aren't we already creating human life in "dishes" already? Like, all the time? What the hell do these people think happens with IVF? It's not like the creation of artificial sperm negate the need for an incubator (womb).
So my baby sis and bro, being a product of artificial insemination are essentially 'dish babies' and therefor not OK according to the media? They look just fine to me (cute, smart, annoying, normal kids)!
So, am I lacking some natural, moral feeling since I don't think fertilizing an egg with lab made sperm in a petri dish is inherently unethical?
I love how every time some news come out about reproductive research the usual suspects start running around like headless chickens while screaming "Immoral, Teh Endz IZ NEAR!, men will be replaced by ROBOTS!!"
@so5minutesago: I could see this happening without this procedure. Not that it can be done right now (that I know of) but it's plausible that you could inject the DNA from one partner into the egg of the other partner, and -with proper conditions in the cell media and the addition of a bunch of cofactors into the solution afterward- make the egg that has now a complete set of instructions and could generate a viable fetus.
But again, I have no idea if it can be done nowadays.
Actually if you can store sperm and use it years after beng donated to fertilise an egg, then you would only need to keep a sufficiently large supply of frozen male cells to carry on the human race. Therefore, in theory, you would not need to keep men alive for breeding purposes.
You know what, crazy public that fears all? All this sciency shit isn't going to replace real, old-timey baby-making. Why? BECAUSE PEOPLE LOVE SCREWING.
Doesn't a stem cell require, in some cases, a fertilized egg? Which requires sperm, right? (Since, last I checked, humans aren't very good at parthenogenesis.)
So if you can only build artifical sperm from eggs that are already fertilized, isn't that kind of like going to the toy aisle, buying a bucket of Legos, and then taking out some legos and saying "Hey, look at my bucket! Also, I totally made these Legos."
@la.donna.pietra: Easy! We'll just grow our fancy new parthenogenic fetuses in them, and when they get big enough, the lid will pop clean off. No need for men and their tough jar-opening ways! BABIES AND PICKLES FOR EVERYONE!
@A Small Turnip: I had a baby sandwich on a crusty baguette with fresh basil and this creamy mellow brie. It was very nice, but so rich that I had to box up half of it and take it home.
The next morning I decided to have a bit of it for breakfast, and the damn parthenogenic baby decided to have a bunch of other parthenogenic babies all over my kitchen. So now I have to call an exterminator and I'm sick to death of eating baby. I'm going to have to freeze some, I'm afraid.
@tscheese: Hmmmm. You know that they'll just sit there in your freezer, Tscheesie. And you'll never, ever eat them. I totally have that problem with bagged-up egg whites. My freezer is full of them. I swear to god, it literally looks like a fucking sperm bank in there. No need for fancy stem-cell science: if you want a baby, just dig around behind the edamame and help yourself to whatever you find.
@tscheese: How could you make jokes about eating babies?!!1 You were a baby once. How would you like it if someone had eaten you?!!1 I AM SHOCKED AND APPALLED THAT YOU CAN JOKE ABOUT THIS VERY SERIOUS SUBJECT.
@tscheese: Oh HERE WE GO! Typical Jez... it's okay to joke about eating innocent human children, but when I talk about how tasty kittens look it's a bloodbath!
@A Small Turnip: I actually enjoy having a well-stocked freezer, even if it's just the same old pickled baby night after night. I mean, it's an economical, cheap source of protein, AND it's always nice to have a cold pack of baby on hand. I'm always twisting or straining a muscle somewhere, and frozen baby really helps the swelling go down.
I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.
I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.
Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.
@poires et poireaux: Holy shit, from 12 to 28 lbs in one year? Why, if we take that data and plug it into my flawless reckoning machine, that child will weigh 896 pounds by the age of 6! THAT IS CHILD CRUELTY!
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On a weird side note, I actually found out that the embryologist who "made" my kid is the wife of a colleague of mine at work . . . and she totally saw me naked.
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So, am I lacking some natural, moral feeling since I don't think fertilizing an egg with lab made sperm in a petri dish is inherently unethical?
Help me jezzies, what am I missing here??
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But again, I have no idea if it can be done nowadays.
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Doesn't a stem cell require, in some cases, a fertilized egg? Which requires sperm, right? (Since, last I checked, humans aren't very good at parthenogenesis.)
So if you can only build artifical sperm from eggs that are already fertilized, isn't that kind of like going to the toy aisle, buying a bucket of Legos, and then taking out some legos and saying "Hey, look at my bucket! Also, I totally made these Legos."
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That's right. We only keep you around for your sperm. Your worth as a human being means absolutely nothing to us. WE JUST WANT YOUR SWIMMERS.
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Oh, if only we could make the Sun redundant. But we will always have a need for bad puns and Page 3 titties, I suppose. Shame.
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The future, it is looking bright!
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I do love a little baby when I'm feeling peckish. Just the one; wouldn't want to spoil my dinner, after all.
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The next morning I decided to have a bit of it for breakfast, and the damn parthenogenic baby decided to have a bunch of other parthenogenic babies all over my kitchen. So now I have to call an exterminator and I'm sick to death of eating baby. I'm going to have to freeze some, I'm afraid.
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Anti-child sentiment AS USUAL.
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And yet, I am a little hungry....
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I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.
I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.
Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.
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