While it sucks that they didn't listen to her requests, what's she going to do if an acting job requires her to wear something that she can't? I'm sure in most cases it would be easy enough to adjust an outfit for her, but not every time.
@Elle O. Elle: Well, the article said that she wore sleeveless stuff for the show and she just made it clear that she would wear a cardigan or something overtop if she left the studio. So it sounds like she is okay with wearing something for filming that she wouldn't wear in real life.
@amowls: I was just about to ask that, but you've put it much better than I would have.
I watched the episode when it aired. She was apparently fine with knee-length skirts. I will admit that I know very little about that particular "Conservadox" Jewish custom, so I'm asking this out of genuine, non-snarky curiosity! Why do they favor skirts over slacks? Unless the skirt is ankle-length, then skirts show off far more of the leg (along with the potential to show even more on a windy day.) Or is it because skirts are traditionally considered more "feminine"?
@liz.lemonade: Hey, I know the answer to something!
One reason Orthodox Jewish women don't wear pants is kli gever, the biblical prohibition for a women to dress like a man. (There is an opposite prohibition, too!) Once upon a time, skirts were women's clothing only and pants were men's clothing only. Obviously this isn't the case anymore, but it has stuck.
Another reason is modesty. Now, while it doesn't make sense when you think about hikin' it up and doin' it in your Saab, I promise that most Orthodox women wouldn't consider that, and I'm sure most Orthodox men wouldn't either. You won't find Orthodox Jewish women in miniskirts, or skirts above the knee, or in tight skirts. Consider another example of modesty: married women cover their heads, and only their husbands can see their hair in all its glory.
Finally, there is the issue of the community norm. Most Orthodox Jewish women wear exclusively skirts. It's a communal religion, and the Orthodox communities stick together. It's absolutely normal and expected, just as any other community clothing option makes sense.
To someone who watched the show with Mayim, were the final outfits things that didn't fit in with her application of tzniut: sleeveless clothes and short skirts and that? Did S&C appear to push these on her or anything? Or were her requests accommodated, even though the qualifications and explanations were left on the cutting room floor? I think I need a little explanation of how the show actually went down to understand properly what she's saying...
It's really too bad they didn't honor her request; they are usually so good at helping people work within their own constraints and it would have been really interesting to see a cool, flattering, modest wardrobe. I wonder if she is willing to make exceptions for costumes. Come to think of it Blossom's wardrobe was fairly modest.
@cuteasabutton:In 7th grade my best friend MADE me a tie skirt like Blossom's. I wore it with black fishnets over maroon tights and my sister's 20 hole Docs. I am STILL proud of that motherfucking outfit. I credit it with convincing the best dressed, coolest girl in 9th grade (bassist in a band, published a zine, super tall and Korean in my lily white town) to be my math tutor; she totally complimented me on it.
@J.D.Regent: Fellow Nerd - PRESENT! I lived in a very small town and tried my best to find Blossom-esque outfits. When I did manage to pull one together, I was looked like I was an alien.
@cuteasabutton:i had one ill-advised day where I got up the nerve to rock a purple tutu from childhood over leggings. but then when i stepped off the bus i was suddenly filled with a panic and deep dread and realized how naked I felt in what was essentially just tights; it was like a nightmare where you realize you have shown up naked to school and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it all day long. nothing to cover up with. then i forgot my gym uniform and was forced to play co-ed volleyball in it. I have flashbacks every time I see a picture of Lindsay Lohan.
She is far too clever, objective etc for reality TV. (Also, I cannot be the only Brit smirking that 'Tablet' is a Jewish mag in the US, whereas 'The Tablet' is a Catholic mag in the UK.)
She looks the same. I swear. It's like she never "grew up."
Well, Clinton and Stacey are good, and I'm sure they did their level best to be accommodating, but then, knowing the usual tenor of the show, I'm not sure why she'd really want to be on it.
@NefariousNewt: That's what I was thinking. From all the photos I've seen of her it doesn't make sense. I've always got the impression that she was one of those people really comfortable in her skin and the way she represents herself so would find something like this unnecessary.
@NefariousNewt: I remember watching this show, they did show her saying that she doesn't wear pants. But there wasn't an explanation for that, I don't think.
I don't think Clinton and Stacy believe that wearing clothes that fit, and are sexy, means being scantily clad, either. I definitely didn't think Mayim's outfits at the end of the show were scantily clad, or even particularly sexy! What they were, though, was better-fitting.
@NefariousNewt: On the show, as in the article, she did mention making a transition back into acting after years in school and having two kids. I can see why that would be a good time to upgrade one's wardrobe.
I watched the show and she was a really good sport. I've seen people buckle under much milder criticism from Stacy and Clinton.
I do understand why she might feel slighted that they cut the bits where she talked about being Jewish and why she dresses the way she does - and I think it would have made the show a bit more three-dimensional - but again, she seems to have a sense of humor about it. I didn't get the impression from the show or the article that she was truly unhappy with anything.
@LoSpaz: I think it was inevitable that they would water down the parts about her being Jewish. The show just isn't like that -- they are more concerned that the person feel better about themselves at the end.
@precipice: I wonder why she went on the show as well
Hella publicity when she's trying to restart her acting career, plus $5000 worth of clothing for free... I think I understand why she went on the show.
That, rather than say "hey, she's seventeen, and really busy, and she's got, like, a billion jobs and stuff, but she still makes time to READ BOOKS--and not precisely the MOST mainstream books, but books that you'd have to sort of find out about--and isn't that great?" this article mentions that she's allowed pictures of her to be taken, and that she dates older men.
Because, apparently, the only thing we're allowed to think about INRE Ms. Montana is her sex life.
Well, they're pretty good books Miley, and you should probably pick up Margaret Atwood fairly soon if you're enjoying the style and the ideas.
@februarymakeup: I'm no fan of hers, but I have to admit that I felt REALLY bad for her when I was watching The Soup a couple of weeks ago. Entertainment Tonight (or something of that genre) showed a clip of her and her (age-appropriate) boyfriend kissing on the beach, and the host COUNTED HOW LONG THEY KISSED. Horrible. Can we not let her have that little bit of normalcy?
Whenever I see the name Joe Jackson, I think of the guy who sang "Is She Really Going Out With Him?" Always makes me wonder how he got involved in the whole MJ brouhaha.
I heard Johnny Depp say something like that on Letterman, and it kind of bugged me, as did him saying he doesn't watch ANY contemporary movies. I feel like that would be akin to me (a writer) not reading anything but the classics. At some point, don't you have a responsibility to your craft to know what else is being done in your medium?
Then again, he's a terrific actor so I guess it works for him.
@kad9k: And what on earth does he mean that if he watches his films "it becomes about the money then..."? Actually, Johnny, good movies are about the art of film. It only becomes about the money when you make films like, oh gee, I don't know, maybe Pirates of the Caribbean? Get down off your high horse.
@kad9k: I also agree with you. I've had arguments with musician friends of mine who are like " i don't listen to anything else while I'm recording/writing music, because I don't want to influence myself" and i'm the opposite. I want to know what other musicians are doing, A) for inspiration and B) so im not being redundant with the stuff I release. It seems like this Depp attitude is more prevalent in rather narcissistic people who think what they do is SOOOO special that it would be a crime for anyone elses' works to come anywhere near it. which rankles me. cos like you said, pirates of the Caribbean (for example) is not exactly an amazing piece of unfettered art. and neither our my friends albums, ha!
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I watched the episode when it aired. She was apparently fine with knee-length skirts. I will admit that I know very little about that particular "Conservadox" Jewish custom, so I'm asking this out of genuine, non-snarky curiosity! Why do they favor skirts over slacks? Unless the skirt is ankle-length, then skirts show off far more of the leg (along with the potential to show even more on a windy day.) Or is it because skirts are traditionally considered more "feminine"?
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One reason Orthodox Jewish women don't wear pants is kli gever, the biblical prohibition for a women to dress like a man. (There is an opposite prohibition, too!) Once upon a time, skirts were women's clothing only and pants were men's clothing only. Obviously this isn't the case anymore, but it has stuck.
Another reason is modesty. Now, while it doesn't make sense when you think about hikin' it up and doin' it in your Saab, I promise that most Orthodox women wouldn't consider that, and I'm sure most Orthodox men wouldn't either. You won't find Orthodox Jewish women in miniskirts, or skirts above the knee, or in tight skirts. Consider another example of modesty: married women cover their heads, and only their husbands can see their hair in all its glory.
Finally, there is the issue of the community norm. Most Orthodox Jewish women wear exclusively skirts. It's a communal religion, and the Orthodox communities stick together. It's absolutely normal and expected, just as any other community clothing option makes sense.
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@cuteasabutton: He turned into Yul Brynner in The King and I? WHOA!
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Well, Clinton and Stacey are good, and I'm sure they did their level best to be accommodating, but then, knowing the usual tenor of the show, I'm not sure why she'd really want to be on it.
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I don't think Clinton and Stacy believe that wearing clothes that fit, and are sexy, means being scantily clad, either. I definitely didn't think Mayim's outfits at the end of the show were scantily clad, or even particularly sexy! What they were, though, was better-fitting.
I wonder why she went on the show as well.
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I watched the show and she was a really good sport. I've seen people buckle under much milder criticism from Stacy and Clinton.
I do understand why she might feel slighted that they cut the bits where she talked about being Jewish and why she dresses the way she does - and I think it would have made the show a bit more three-dimensional - but again, she seems to have a sense of humor about it. I didn't get the impression from the show or the article that she was truly unhappy with anything.
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Hella publicity when she's trying to restart her acting career, plus $5000 worth of clothing for free... I think I understand why she went on the show.
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That, rather than say "hey, she's seventeen, and really busy, and she's got, like, a billion jobs and stuff, but she still makes time to READ BOOKS--and not precisely the MOST mainstream books, but books that you'd have to sort of find out about--and isn't that great?" this article mentions that she's allowed pictures of her to be taken, and that she dates older men.
Because, apparently, the only thing we're allowed to think about INRE Ms. Montana is her sex life.
Well, they're pretty good books Miley, and you should probably pick up Margaret Atwood fairly soon if you're enjoying the style and the ideas.
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Isn't the OK cover basically a dead man who hasn't been declared dead yet? Classy.
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Then again, he's a terrific actor so I guess it works for him.
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