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artyfarty
04/20/09

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I work with a bunch of very conservative, mostly hardcore christian folks and I hear a lot of republican talk around the office. A few of these people tell me, a liberal, that they don't agree with the social aspects of the republican party, but that they are fiscal conservatives. They believe in low or no taxes, no big government, blah, blah, blah but my question is this. Aren't a lot of these issues still somewhat socially based and still alienate a great deal of people? Forgive my ignorance because I really want to know but they talk about getting rid of welfare, cutting taxes for rich people or instituting a flat tax, cutting spending on school programs, etc. and when I ask them how they think things can be improved like schools, roads, etc. without taxes, they brush me off and change the subject. I guess my point is that I don't really get the whole notion of being fiscally conservative but socially liberal. Can some of you jezzies enlighten me??
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arodriguez.romero
04/20/09

@artyfarty: those two issues are certainly intertwined.

But I think that gay marriage and abortion are both really clear social issues that do not involve government money. If those folks are really socially liberal but fiscally conservative, then they should be pro on both counts.

So it's normal that they should confuse you, they are confused themselves, maybe.
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NefariousNewt
04/20/09

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Rush Limbaugh is proof that torture works -- I'll say anything to get him to SHUT UP!!!
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NefariousNewt
04/20/09

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Meghan McCain: proof that parenting doesn't have much to do with how a child turns out.
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inabook
04/20/09

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I think most celebrities have someone to read letters and pick out ones for the celeb to personally answer. My old roommate used to do that for Eli Weisel. I can't really fault Obama for having someone whose job it is to comb through mail-- dude probably also summarizes general content, and seriously, Obama has more to do than read what is probably mostly fan mail.
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Newsgirl
04/20/09

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I don't think it's right (ha) for people to call her a Democrat only because she has more liberal views on social issues. Her whole point is that in order for the Republican party to move forward, those issues need to be dropped and the party needs to get back to their core values on issues like small government, low taxes and the economy. Getting the government out of people's social lives is, I think, the best idea no matter what your fiscal and legislative views are otherwise. Just because we're so used to Republicans who preach conservative social values doesn't mean we should toss away one who doesn't. She has really interesting ideas and I think a very good point about what may or may not be the future failure of the Republican party.
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Brigit
04/20/09

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If Pat Robertson is right, then DHS holiday parties must be awesome.
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bluebears
04/20/09

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You know, I think its fine that Meghan McCain isn't a complete bigot. But the constant media attention she receives is annoying. There are thousands of young women who feel the same way they just aren't Republicans, because in fact those are not the things the Republican Party believes in. She's a novelty act.
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katekate is squared
04/20/09

@bluebears: There's more to being a Republican than the hot-button issues like marriage equality and abortion, though. Politics is so watered down anymore that I think it's easy for us to forget that fiscal policy is a huge part of one's party affiliation, along with opinions about the size and reach of government.

She's saying that she believes in marriage equality, but that she still holds onto many of the other planks on the republican platform. More broadly, though, it seems like she and people like her are calling for a paradigm shift the Republican party in some ways, since it's obviously become obsolete. That could mean that people like her end up forming a new party, or that the die-hards split off and people like her get to keep the GOP.

I get your point, though--the whole Log Cabin Republican thing has always been baffling to me, but ultimately it comes down to the fact that there are people who vote on more than just the issues we always hear about.
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bluebears
04/20/09

@katekate is squared: yeah, I see what your saying. Maybe I'm making assumptions (you know what they say about that)but I would eat my hat if Meghan McCain knew jack shit about fiscal policy.
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katekate is squared
04/20/09

@bluebears: Eh, that seems like another assumption. She seems like an intelligent and educated woman, so I wouldn't be surprised if she knew more about fiscal policy than I do.
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PhillyLass
04/20/09

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OK-- so I'm off to a slow start this morning and I've only had a few sips of coffee. But, what the fuck is Pat Robertson talking about? I'm trying to connect some dots here, and getting nowhere.
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katekate is squared
04/20/09

@PhillyLass: DHS is making decisions that are bad for the country's security, ergo everyone running it is a flaming homo.

I have had my coffee, and this still does not make sense.
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SomeAuthorGirl
04/20/09

@katekate is squared: @PhillyLass: You guys, it's Pat Robertson. All the coffee in the world is not going to help that shituation.
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katekate is squared
04/20/09

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I know Meghan McCain is against abortion. Does she think it should be illegal?
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EkaterinaBallerina
04/20/09

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Limbaugh's quote about McCain is about as much evidence you'll ever need that the man is an entertainer and nothing more. He'd tell you he sucked camel balls if he thought it would get him more listeners and money.
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willwriteforfood
04/20/09

@EkaterinaBallerina: That makes him MORE evil, not less. Anyone who could espouse such extreme ideas solely because it makes him money lacks a moral core. He's like Andy Griffith's character in "A Face in the Crowd," the radio guy who came across so folksy and approachable in public but was really a psychopath and narcissist in private.
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EkaterinaBallerina
04/20/09

@willwriteforfood: I meant he's nothing more than an entertainer. As in some people, people who really need to wake up, listen to him for political commentary or to get their news. He knows that and he manipulates that to his own needs. Not to mention that some people are calling him the leader of the Republican party, which is basically like waving a white flag and saying, we give up, erase the elephant off the ballots.

Trust me, I consider him one of the most vile creatures on earth. If he so truly believes that about torture, I'd ask that he offers himself up for some good old-fashioned waterboarding.
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willwriteforfood
04/20/09

@EkaterinaBallerina: Oh, I completely agree with you! Sorry if it didn't come across as such.

Every year I'm alive I realize more and more that people are like sheep. Just because someone claims 20 million listeners they seem to take his every utterance as gospel truth. Popularity does not equal truth. However, my bf's mother is one of those sheep so I am stuck hearing about his version of truthiness.

And yeah, I don't notice Limbaugh offering to be waterboarded just to show that it's not that bad. At least Christopher Hitchens did it. And the fact that he caved after something like 10 seconds indicates that no, it's not harmless and yes, it is terrifying. And yes, it is torture.
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magnetic-crotch
04/20/09

@willwriteforfood: Everyone should see "A Face in the Crowd." Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. are the new Lonesome Rhodes(es).
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willwriteforfood
04/20/09

@magnetic-crotch: I haven't seen that movie since high school. It comes to mind more often these days, every time I see any of those pundits on TV. Scary how relevant it still is, decades later. He was perfectly cast, I gotta say. It freaked me out because I was so used to seeing Andy Griffith as, you know, Andy Griffith!
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katekate is squared
04/20/09

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If Meghan McCain is the future of the Republican party, this country might be ok. It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.

Also, in honor of Pat Robertson (and Jerry Falwell):

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megnificent
04/20/09

In reply to Meghan Thinks The GOP Is Scared; Pat Thinks You're Gay
What are the Republicans complaining about? Seems like a cordial handshake is a happy medium between, say, puking on Chavez or giving him an inappropriate backrub. Not that an American president would ever do either of those things.
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
04/20/09

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Ms. McCain, I found this on Craigslist (best of!), perhaps you can use it to support your position:

Republican at CPAC

Date: 2009-02-27, 12:45AM EST

Yo... young Republican guy here, attending CPAC this weekend. Looking for a discreet, masculine guy to fool around with. Conservative, closeted guys preferred... would like to meet someone attending CPAC (there are plenty of guys looking for action there), so we have something to talk about. Into making out, jerking off, oral... maybe fucking. I'm 5'9, masculine, 7"uc, brown/ blue.

Be in good shape, under 30, and drug/ disease free. Send pics in first email.

Would prefer to meet up at your place, since I'm sharing a room....

* Location: DC

* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

PostingID: 1052407044
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GeorgeFayne
04/20/09

@AtomiClash: Ah ha, YA BURNT.
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kithkin
04/20/09

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Goddamn right Barack's got our country's best interests at heart when he wants to openly communicate with Bolivia and Venezuela. There is so much natural gas in those countries and if we aren't kind to them, other countries who don't have our best interests at heart will. The anti-American sentiments espoused by Chavez and others have to do with the long history of unabashed American-European imperialism and plundering of the region. It doesn't take that big of a leap to figure out why people might be angry over that.

Thank goodness Obama was at least courteous. I know Republicans are going to be pissed at anything, but I wish they would just be mad about, oh, I don't know, no soft serve ice cream machines in the Senate building or something. No Hawaiian-shirt Fridays.
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Tequila Mockingbird
04/20/09

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Ummm, tell me again...what exactly makes does Megan Mccain stand for that makes her a Republican? From seeing her speak, it seems she's just democrat-lite. (pro Gay Marriage, she's anti-abortion but doesn't want to force it on anyone, pro-environment, holding government accountable...)
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Laulau
04/20/09

@IrockIroll: My guess is that she believes in small government, low taxes, and the pulling of bootstraps?
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Tequila Mockingbird
04/20/09

@Laulau: She just needs to come over to the democrats, we're much more fun anyways...and you can best believe if an inkling of body-snarking came about Clinton and Ms. Obama would shut it the fuck down.
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Laulau
04/20/09

@IrockIroll: This is what I told my Republican friend who thought it was cute I did a cheer for over-the-counter plan B. She was like, "who does that?", and I responded "many of us. We're called Democrats. Feel free to check us out."
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