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    "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    Remember when Jerry Falwell accused we witches of causing the terror attacks on 9/11?


    And then strangely Ann Coulter called the 9/11 widows "witches"?


    Clearly the only thing lacking here is that they have not been able to motivate unruly mobs to take action.

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    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    I've read studies that compared the economic topography of the Salem account's victims and accusers. The vast majority of those accused were agriculturally based, including midwives and herbologists, and the accusers were mostly from the newer settled areas of town, those of the factory/mercantile/merchants persuasion. Add to this religious motivations, and it casts a more capricious view of those that would seek to stifle the voice of those they do not understand.
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    There's also a book called The Devil in the Shape of a Woman about witchcraft accusations in New England. One motivation to accuse people, especially women who owned their own property, of witchcraft is that if they were convicted, you got their stuff. So let's say Widow Jones owns the adjacent hectare that's more fertile than yours. Suddenly your cow goes dry and you maintain along with some interested parties that you saw her hex your cow. Widow Jones goes to the gallows and you've doubled the size of your landholdings.
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    Image of Dauphine Dauphine
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    Today's witchhunts/witchcraft-accusations are modern psychiatry, in which women are the vast receivers of diagnoses. At least in the Western world.


    In Amazonia/Africa, witchcraft and sorcery is still alive and well. The integration of modern medicinal practices into it is kinda nifty.

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    11/07/08

    @Dauphine: Your must know my old clinical supervisor who diagnosed every woman that walked through his door as "Borderline Personality Disorder".


    My fave was this situation where a kid was acting out right after his father packed his suitcase in front of him one night and said "I'm leaving and I'm never coming back, so this is goodbye, son". My supervisor's verdict? The kid's mom had BPD.

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    Image of Vicodiva Vicodiva
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    True fact. All that burning & hanging happened west of the 1054 divide. And that's what the texts on the matter are not telling anyone.
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    11/07/08

    @Vicodiva: I'm sorry. I don't understand the significance of that and why the texts wouldn't mention it.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    She turned me into a newt!
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    Image of I, Zombie Normal I, Zombie Normal
    11/07/08

    @2pint: I got better.
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    Image of blueVamp blueVamp
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    I took a class called "History of Early Modern Europe" that was about witch hunts and demon posessions. Pretty much anyone who was "other" was categorized as a witch and cast out of the village. This was more prevalent among peasants (who were the majority of the population anyway). For example, homosexuals, Jews, and Gypsies were all witches, right off the bat, but then again so were unusually smart women & men, anyone who spoke ill about someone who just happened to become sick soon afterwards, and honestly, if you wanted to get back at someone for stealing your potato - just call them a witch and you'd be rid of them forever.


    If you'd like I'll post the titles of the books I used in class - I still have them because they really are SO entertaining.


    And as a P.S. the writers of The Exorcist studied their history because I read an account of a demon posession from pre-reformation Germany that was word-for-word exactly the same as the posession of the little girl in the movie.

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    11/07/08

    @BlueVamp: I'd love your book list.
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    Image of pinkhungryhippo pinkhungryhippo
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    While 1945 may be the last year there was a witch hunt in Europe, there are certainly ongoing attacks on witches throughout the world. I know that it's still a major element of political and social life in South Africa. I realize South African witchcraft and accusations of witchcraft are different from British and European ones, but, it's still interesting.
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    11/07/08

    @pinkhungryhippo: I don't see them as being different. In Europe people tend not to blame their bad luck on "witchcraft" any more, so they don't kill "witches". They have in modern times blamed other groups instead like the Jews and Gypsies, etc.


    "Witches" as witches are still part of other cultural groups, though, as you've pointed out in Africa and in Navajo culture some harm is still attributed to witchcraft.

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    Image of ZLevee ZLevee
    11/07/08

    @pinkhungryhippo: actually justthis summer there was a panic in the Congo over witchcraft being used to steal or shrink penises: [www.reuters.com]
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    Image of andBegorrah andBegorrah
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    I don't care what you say. If Monica Bellucci and Helen Mirren don't start looking their age soon, I'm bringing them both to trial.
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    Image of J.D.Regent J.D.Regent
    11/07/08

    @andBegorrah: psssh. I'm asking if they need a thirteenth for their coven.
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    Image of andBegorrah andBegorrah
    11/07/08

    @J.D.Regent: This is why you're the smart one.
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    Image of badmutha badmutha
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    Thankfully, there was no interwebs back in the day, or we'd all have been hunted down like the brash,flirty, and forceful bitchez we are. Modern times, FTW!
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    Image of J.D.Regent J.D.Regent
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    I'm pretty sure my uncles still think women who use birth control are witches.
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    Image of andBegorrah andBegorrah
    11/07/08

    @J.D.Regent: What nonsense. I can't very well cast my spells without cooking up a baby or two now can I?
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    Image of J.D.Regent J.D.Regent
    11/07/08

    Also girls who went to Bryn Mawr.
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    Image of CrossWord CrossWord
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    Are homosexuals the new witch? Seems like a lot of people attribute powers to them...turning kids gay (and who knows what all else), ruining marriage, having magical decorating powers...


    And there's this obsession with figuring out who is gay and who isn't. Anderson Cooper, for example.


    I don't know. Just a thought.

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    11/07/08

    @CrossWord: Well put, I was thinking the same thing after I finished reading this piece.
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    Image of MegSpencer MegSpencer
    11/07/08

    @CrossWord: That's a very interesting though. Things we don't understand are scary!
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    Image of ZLevee ZLevee
    11/07/08

    @CrossWord: magical decorating powers - heh heh
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    Image of FunSizeCupcake FunSizeCupcake
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    I want to know where these sick mobs came up with the ideas for torture. Seriously, who is the freak?
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    Image of UnSeelie...I am baaack! UnSeelie...I am baaack!
    11/07/08

    @FunSizeCupcake: Yeah, that is sick, I would confess to any crime is someone was ripping off my breasts, shit, it even hurts sometimes in the shower I cant imagine having it ripped off and keeping my cool.
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    She turned me into a newt.
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    Image of Jeremy Jeremy
    11/07/08

    @morninggloria: ...

    ...

    I got bettah.
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    11/07/08

    @Jeremy: Well. We did do the nose.
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    Image of Cam/ron Cam/ron
    11/07/08

    @Jeremy: Burn her anyway!
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    Image of dirtybee dirtybee
    11/07/08

    @morninggloria: Photobucket


    God how I LOVE that movie.

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    11/07/08

    @morninggloria: Also, the perfect shirt for us WITCHES.


    [www.lunatic-fridge.com]

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    Image of ineffable.me ineffable.me
    11/07/08

    In reply to "Too Brash, Too Forceful, Or Too Flirty": 2,000 Years Of Dangerous Women
    1945????

    jesus.
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