I can totally agree about the dreams thing, and also add another one to a similar list: No one cares what you felt like last time you got stoned. No one cares about your acid trip. Seriously, if it can't be packed into a neat 2-sentence description, set up/punch-line style, it's going to loose everyone who wasn't high with you.
@Sukie in the Graveyard: Oh, god yes. Something I also learned at sorority rush: When in doubt, don't desperately throw out the question, "so, what's your favorite kind of meat?" Even "what's your major?" trumps that.
I kind of wish I hadn't read these comments because I'm anxious and a little shy. I realize that all of these pet peeves aren't shared by everyone, but it does seem like there are so many potential pitfalls.
So, questions: What are good, interesting things to talk to people about? What have interesting people drawn you in with in the past? If you're good at carrying on conversations with relative strangers, what do you do?
@Hana Maru: Ask them questions.
People love to talk about themselves.
(Even the introverts. Sometimes especially the introverts, 'cause they never talk, so no one ever asks.)
And not closed-ended questions that can be answered with "yes" or "no". If you forget and that happens, say "tell me more about that" if it's a guy or a bubbly girl or "would you tell me more about that?" if it seems like a quieter person. If they dead you, excuse yourself and get another martini.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: This could be just me, but I hate being outright questioned about myself. Can I put in a caveat and say that if the conversation seems to be dying, maybe try to share something about yourself, and ask if the person has anything in common with it, rather than ask straight questions.
"My sister and I are close, but we only see each other a few times a year. Do you see your siblings often?" Instead of, "How many siblings do you have?"
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: You're right. I wasn't saying you were suggesting straight questions. I thought I was just building on your advice, since it seems like shy people tend to take the, " Ask questions!" idea as a license to interrogate, and I find that's often uncomfortable. Whenever I'm trapped in a conversation with someone who asks a lot of questions, they seem to use the interrogation as a shield to avoid saying much about themselves, and that shuts down the conversation.
So I was trying to say, if you're going to ask questions, try to also share something about yourself and how that relates to the question. Otherwise you're just putting someone on the spot, and not everyone is comfortable with that.
As a "simple question" asker, I can tell you it is not because I am bored. It is because I am interested in you. Usually when you start with "how long have you been living in New York?" (or what have you), it leads to something like, "seven years, I grew up in Montana.." etc etc. So.. you know.. it's called having a conversation and letting the person reveal intimate information as see fit.
My boss has a tendency to announce to the group what she's doing or going to do next. it took me months before I realized she wasn't asking my opinion, making any conversation, asking me to do something related to the task she's doing, or saying anything that has to do with me at all. She's just ... announcing to the universe that she has to do the minutes now. It's very awkward b/c I don't know what to say, but she's the boss so I feel like I have to acknowledge her somehow.
I can put up with a lot, conversation-wise, thanks to my (non rock of love) charm school experiences.
However, I can't tolerate what I call "Mind eraser" question. You know, the sort that require so much thought as to erase any sort of memory, response, what have you. Or so much explanation, that you can't even begin to start. Such as:
"What are your favorite bands?"
"I haven't seen you in forever! What have you been up to?"
etc.
@clearsight: Oh dear, of course it is to be expected to be asked how one is doing. Social niceties are to be expected. And for the most part, its easy to respond to those questions.
However, in the mind-eraser sense, I think it all depends on who is asking you. Such as: People who you only vaguely remember. That's when it gets mind-erasing.
Recently, I got the "What have you been up to?" question from someone that I knew ages ago from a dim (and most likely regrettable) night. Awkward.
Something that I wish more party people would take to heart: Never, ever laugh at your own jokes or funny stories. That act tries to force laughter out of the listener and typically kills humor. Mark Twain wrote a brilliant essay on that sin.
I can make the most boring conversationalist, usually male, convince themselves I am rooted to the spot by what they have to say. It helps if they are standing on my deaf side at a crowded party and I don't even realise that they are there prattling away next to me.
in my experience, people who worry about being boring are probably not. it never occurs to boring people that they're uninteresting, which is why they keep going on and on.
Wait...you can't talk about movie plots? Well, crap. I talk about stories all the time. Thankfully, I work with and am mostly friends with people who share that same interest. It probably helps to mostly be in social situations with people with common interests.
I have no idea what I'd do at a party filled with non-nerds. But since I'm unlikely to be invited to anything like that, I probably don't have to worry.
I do know I sometimes talk about non-casual topics too much. But I mean...I don't know. Talking about the weather is boring. I have no sports interest or knowledge. So. I talk about books and movies and stuff that goes on. Because I just don't have a lot of inane things to say.
@tiredfairy: I sometimes have to go to parties with non-nerds (we call it "partying with the normals") because we have a friend whose wife is friends with a lot of non-nerds and so our friend invites us along as well to be a buffer. It's *excruciating*. I have no idea what to talk about and everything they're talking about bores me to tears.
@samarkand: I thankfully don't get invited to stuff like that. The day I get invited to a regular cocktail party, hell will have frozen over. :}
I have been in situations like it, though. I mostly just end up listening and being quiet. So many people have gotten the impression that I don't talk a lot...but it's just that I've learned when what I have to say will be reciprocated and have interesting conversations and not.
Makes me sad stories aren't more universal. I am a story nerd of the highest order, but, lots of other people don't share that.
@tiredfairy: I think the key is not to talk about plots of things the other person hasn't seen or read. If they also know and like what you're talking about, then it can be great.
My sister and I have bonded over Mad Men - which of Joan's outfits is the best? Isn't Peggy just like Mom's stories about immigrating to New York?
But I did not need to hear a 20-minute recounting of Tropic Thunder by a meathead.
Poor thing, she seems so anxious to be perfect. so what if you're a little dull? Find others who like winston churchill and you'll be fine.
I fall asleep standing up when the topic of private schools in NYC inevitably comes up; exclusivity, price, reputation. I call it " complain/bragging", oh, my kids tuition is SO expensive- fuck off and look into public schools loser. I tell the people complain-bragging that they have just launched into " the world's most boring conversation. " usually works.
@CherriSpryte: I don't always mind it -- my boyfriend and I usually tell each other our dreams -- but it kinda depends on the dream and dreamer.
If someone's like, "I dreamed I had sex with Johnny Depp last night! We met in Paris and he magically wasn't married anymore. It was great. I woke up superhorny.": That's kinda funny and relatable.
But when someone's like, "I had this dream last night where I was at my parents' house, but it wasn't really their house, and you showed up, but your hair was shorter and your eyes were yellow, and then we were at the coffee shop, but they were only serving tea, and then a guy rode by on a horse...": The listener kinda is forced to just stare, because dreams often make no sense -- hence, there is no point to the story.
@westward ho: See, I love the ones that make no sense, because then you get to analyze them. "I dreamed last night I was deep sea fishing with Neil Patrick Harris on the night before someone's wedding" lends itself to so much speculation that it makes for a great conversation ... in my opinion, anyway.
@CherriSpryte: Dude I'm with you! I actually don't like talking about mine unless they're REALLY weird for fear of boring other people, but I (usually) like hearing other people's dreams.
@CherriSpryte: Yeah, I mean, it can be fun sometimes. I think it's mostly fun with people you know really well, which is why the bf and I share stories.
But when you don't know someone that well, and they scrupulously describe a nonsensical dream they had as a point of conversation, there's not a lot to hold on to, as a listener.
I'm also of the school that says dreams are mostly just random tidbits of information your brain is processing as you sleep. They can be strange and disturbing and even powerful at times, but I don't think there's always a deeper meaning. So, not a lot to talk about there. Eh, just me.
@meritxell: an erotic life: I'm with Dennis from Always Sunny ... "Dreams are like pictures... if I'm not in them and no one's having sex, I'm not interested."
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Interesting questions get interesting responses :)
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So, questions: What are good, interesting things to talk to people about? What have interesting people drawn you in with in the past? If you're good at carrying on conversations with relative strangers, what do you do?
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People love to talk about themselves.
(Even the introverts. Sometimes especially the introverts, 'cause they never talk, so no one ever asks.)
And not closed-ended questions that can be answered with "yes" or "no". If you forget and that happens, say "tell me more about that" if it's a guy or a bubbly girl or "would you tell me more about that?" if it seems like a quieter person. If they dead you, excuse yourself and get another martini.
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"My sister and I are close, but we only see each other a few times a year. Do you see your siblings often?" Instead of, "How many siblings do you have?"
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Who suggested this?
"maybe try to share something about yourself, and ask if the person has anything in common with it"
I don't remember precluding that.
"rather than ask straight questions."
I don't read where I insisted on that.
When I suggested asking questions, I don't recall specifying what kind, or only one kind.
People respond to different kinds of inquiry.
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So I was trying to say, if you're going to ask questions, try to also share something about yourself and how that relates to the question. Otherwise you're just putting someone on the spot, and not everyone is comfortable with that.
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And you sound like you're enjoying it *just* a little too much. :-)
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However, I can't tolerate what I call "Mind eraser" question. You know, the sort that require so much thought as to erase any sort of memory, response, what have you. Or so much explanation, that you can't even begin to start. Such as:
"What are your favorite bands?"
"I haven't seen you in forever! What have you been up to?"
etc.
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Really? I think "What have you been up to?" Is pretty standard. Frankly, if somebody doesn't ask that, that person might be self centered.
Maybe you are overthinking this. When somebody asks these things, just offer up one or 2 answers.
Just mention 2 bands you like, and 2 things you have been doing lately.
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However, in the mind-eraser sense, I think it all depends on who is asking you. Such as: People who you only vaguely remember. That's when it gets mind-erasing.
Recently, I got the "What have you been up to?" question from someone that I knew ages ago from a dim (and most likely regrettable) night. Awkward.
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I have no idea what I'd do at a party filled with non-nerds. But since I'm unlikely to be invited to anything like that, I probably don't have to worry.
I do know I sometimes talk about non-casual topics too much. But I mean...I don't know. Talking about the weather is boring. I have no sports interest or knowledge. So. I talk about books and movies and stuff that goes on. Because I just don't have a lot of inane things to say.
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I have been in situations like it, though. I mostly just end up listening and being quiet. So many people have gotten the impression that I don't talk a lot...but it's just that I've learned when what I have to say will be reciprocated and have interesting conversations and not.
Makes me sad stories aren't more universal. I am a story nerd of the highest order, but, lots of other people don't share that.
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My sister and I have bonded over Mad Men - which of Joan's outfits is the best? Isn't Peggy just like Mom's stories about immigrating to New York?
But I did not need to hear a 20-minute recounting of Tropic Thunder by a meathead.
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I fall asleep standing up when the topic of private schools in NYC inevitably comes up; exclusivity, price, reputation. I call it " complain/bragging", oh, my kids tuition is SO expensive- fuck off and look into public schools loser. I tell the people complain-bragging that they have just launched into " the world's most boring conversation. " usually works.
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*glomps you*
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If someone's like, "I dreamed I had sex with Johnny Depp last night! We met in Paris and he magically wasn't married anymore. It was great. I woke up superhorny.": That's kinda funny and relatable.
But when someone's like, "I had this dream last night where I was at my parents' house, but it wasn't really their house, and you showed up, but your hair was shorter and your eyes were yellow, and then we were at the coffee shop, but they were only serving tea, and then a guy rode by on a horse...": The listener kinda is forced to just stare, because dreams often make no sense -- hence, there is no point to the story.
Anyway, I had this dream last night... ;)
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But when you don't know someone that well, and they scrupulously describe a nonsensical dream they had as a point of conversation, there's not a lot to hold on to, as a listener.
I'm also of the school that says dreams are mostly just random tidbits of information your brain is processing as you sleep. They can be strange and disturbing and even powerful at times, but I don't think there's always a deeper meaning. So, not a lot to talk about there. Eh, just me.
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