The Hiram Monserrate thing is horrific. His victim doesn't want them to prosecute, though he's cut her face down to her skull. I'd be scared of him, too, if I were her. I'm glad it's up to the state. A man like that is a danger to women everywhere.
Someone says in the comments:
"So let’s see…Senator Monserrate engages in violence against his opposite-sex partner but is free to marry her, and meanwhile denies the attempts of the state to recognize the marriage between my long-term same-sex partner and myself.
Perhaps if my partner and I would abuse each other more often, then the good Senator might consider our relationship equal to those enjoyed by opposite-sex couples."
— fsm
With regards to women playing in the NBA, I have to wonder if taking the best women out of the WNBA would ultimately be bad for women in basketball. If the best players who would normally go to (or are currently in) the WNBA leave, the tiny motive people have to watch is gone and the WNBA is probably dead. It seems to me that even if they integrated the NBA, it would never be 50/50 men and women (at least not without a lot of other changes happening, I think), so actually there would be fewer opportunities for women in professional basketball (and men, too, if we had everyone in one league).
@nobodyr: A lot of young women are able to go to college and play in professional leagues because they are segregated. There are scores of women who are good enough to play with other women, but not against the men. While somebody like Lisa Leslie is probably able to play against guys to a degree, think of all the women who wouldn't even come close to getting a chance. Taking the best players from the WNBA and putting them in the NBA would be a disaster for womens' basketball.
The best parallel may be U.S. Baseball prior to Jackie Robinson. Once he was able to play in the Major Leagues, and guys like Larry Doby and Satchel Paige got to play against the white folks soon thereafter, the Negro League collapsed. A lot of guys who were able to make a living playing in the Negro Leagues simply weren't good enough to play in the Majors, and no matter what they did, they couldn't maintain the community's interest in a minority-only league.
I'm not saying segregation in baseball was good, but merely that there could be an unintended consequence.
@telecomic the thoughtful red panda: Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant. And since women tend to be shorter on average than men, and less fast on average, and tend to have a less-dramatic vertical jump on average, I think it's reasonable to guess that the percentage of women in the NBA would remain small.
Ugh, can we just shorthand this one? I'm really not in the mood.
"Women can't play basketball with men!"
"Yes they can!"
"They'll get hurt! Men are bigger and stronger!"
"Women can be big and strong, too, and maybe the men could try to not play basketball with their elbows once in a while!"
"I didn't mean that women aren't strong; I just mean that men and women play differently. I'm not sexist! College teams and NBA teams play differently, too, does that make me elitist?"
"No, you're not elitist; you're a jerk!"
"Fuck you!"
"Fuck you twice!"
"Well, even if they do put women on the teams, it'll just be for show. They'll bench them until Kobe pulls his groin."
"Why do you always have to talk about your groin?"
"I wasn't talking about my groin! I was talking about Kobe's groin!"
"I guess you'd be more supportive of gay guys on the NBA than women, huh? Because you're gay."
"Shut up. You are."
"So's your face."
"Real mature."
"Are we still talking about basketball?"
"I don't think so. You wanna go get a drink or something?"
"Yes! Let's get out of this hell hole comment. It's going on for god-damn ever!"
@la.donna.pietra: Would never happen for CP, but she was awesome at OU.
The commish made the right point . . . someone fast and that can shoot. If you had the female version of say a BJ Armstrong -- good ballhandler that can run to the corners and drain threes, its possible -- shooters always find a home.
Having said that, the NBA has to be the toughest league to break into, as there are only 360-400 spots at any given time and its popularity in the world is extremely high.
Baseball has 750 spots and Football has about 1700
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WRT football, football has kickers and, if you could find a sprinter that could catch, you may have a 9-route WR (although many DBs would be world class sprinters with the right training).
@MyNameIsChris: I can't think of any professionally but on University campuses, maybe soccer could be considered contact? I always felt that baseball could pretty easily become coed if there was equal funding for women's baseball and softball teams. Even if you debate the woman's ability to hit home runs, you're looking at players who would still be fast runners, good fielders and accurate hitters, getting sacrifice hits and stuff.
@MyNameIsChris: It depends on whether you consider Ultimate Frisbee a physical contact sport. (Like basketball, it's supposed to have incidental contact only.) The co-ed version tends to be somewhat less physical than the men's version, but people still get lit up every now and again.
@itsonreserve: Yeah totally... I think it goes without saying at a pure skill level the best females can be comparable to the males. It's just a matter of the physical nature of a sport like basketball.
I tend to think their are plenty of female basketball players that would be game to take the physical punishment, but I also doubt the males would feel comfortable really knocking a woman to the floor in the way they would with another male.
they may be contaminated with Bacilus cereus bacteria, which causes diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. The goal is to make you lose weight, right? That'll do it.
I got a notice from my grocery delivery service saying to discard any Slim-Fast immediately. Um... it's been about a year since I last purchased it, so it's kind of late for that. Makes me wonder if that was around the same time that I last had what I thought was the flu?
12/06/09
Someone says in the comments:
"So let’s see…Senator Monserrate engages in violence against his opposite-sex partner but is free to marry her, and meanwhile denies the attempts of the state to recognize the marriage between my long-term same-sex partner and myself.
Perhaps if my partner and I would abuse each other more often, then the good Senator might consider our relationship equal to those enjoyed by opposite-sex couples."
— fsm
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The best parallel may be U.S. Baseball prior to Jackie Robinson. Once he was able to play in the Major Leagues, and guys like Larry Doby and Satchel Paige got to play against the white folks soon thereafter, the Negro League collapsed. A lot of guys who were able to make a living playing in the Negro Leagues simply weren't good enough to play in the Majors, and no matter what they did, they couldn't maintain the community's interest in a minority-only league.
I'm not saying segregation in baseball was good, but merely that there could be an unintended consequence.
04:57 PM
12/04/09
"Women can't play basketball with men!"
"Yes they can!"
"They'll get hurt! Men are bigger and stronger!"
"Women can be big and strong, too, and maybe the men could try to not play basketball with their elbows once in a while!"
"I didn't mean that women aren't strong; I just mean that men and women play differently. I'm not sexist! College teams and NBA teams play differently, too, does that make me elitist?"
"No, you're not elitist; you're a jerk!"
"Fuck you!"
"Fuck you twice!"
"Well, even if they do put women on the teams, it'll just be for show. They'll bench them until Kobe pulls his groin."
"Why do you always have to talk about your groin?"
"I wasn't talking about my groin! I was talking about Kobe's groin!"
"I guess you'd be more supportive of gay guys on the NBA than women, huh? Because you're gay."
"Shut up. You are."
"So's your face."
"Real mature."
"Are we still talking about basketball?"
"I don't think so. You wanna go get a drink or something?"
"Yes! Let's get out of this hell hole comment. It's going on for god-damn ever!"
12/04/09
"Somebody in the NBA draft Courtney Paris already!"
12/04/09
The commish made the right point . . . someone fast and that can shoot. If you had the female version of say a BJ Armstrong -- good ballhandler that can run to the corners and drain threes, its possible -- shooters always find a home.
Having said that, the NBA has to be the toughest league to break into, as there are only 360-400 spots at any given time and its popularity in the world is extremely high.
Baseball has 750 spots and Football has about 1700
.
WRT football, football has kickers and, if you could find a sprinter that could catch, you may have a 9-route WR (although many DBs would be world class sprinters with the right training).
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I tend to think their are plenty of female basketball players that would be game to take the physical punishment, but I also doubt the males would feel comfortable really knocking a woman to the floor in the way they would with another male.
12/04/09
12/04/09
12/04/09
I got a notice from my grocery delivery service saying to discard any Slim-Fast immediately. Um... it's been about a year since I last purchased it, so it's kind of late for that. Makes me wonder if that was around the same time that I last had what I thought was the flu?