you know, i just watched the documentary, and i cried. i've made plenty of snarky remarks during her meltdown period, and i actually feared for my safety should our late night cheeto runs to rite aid intersect in a high speed smashup (she lives near to me). i've also envied her money, her children, her concerned family, employees, and hangers-on. but i can confidently say that i really felt for britney watching the show.
having discussed britney with my therapist on more than one occasion, i've come to the conclusion that what ails britney is less bipolar than it is personality disorder, particularly borderline personality disorder. [en.wikipedia.org] first it was post-partum depression, then it was bipolar (likely), now she's mumbling something about PTSD (it ain't PTSD). if i am right, expect to see her spiral out of control again once her father leaves to live his own life, as he eventually will, and should. Unfortunately there is no pill to cure personality disorders -- it takes years of intensive therapy and the will to work through issues and make changes in behavior, one by one. she dismisses therapy in the show, saying dancing and singing are "spiritual" and the only therapy she needs. oh, honey.
there was a minor flame war a few pages back over whether to feel sorry for her or to feel she ought to pull herself up by her bootstraps. it's possible to believe both. I do. it's possible to feel sorry for someone living with mental illness of varying degrees, and also to feel that, especially as a mother, she has a responsibility to develop parts of her personality that are missing -- personal responsibility, impulse control, ways to soothe and entertain herself, perspective, how to make healthy decisions -- and she can't do that without the years of aforementioned therapy. i also feel sorry that the way she is going doesn't look like she is headed down that road.
i also question that living in l.a. and continuing to court fame are helping. though better than it was, she is and will be surrounded by financial leeches and yes-people. i thought the healthiest people around here were: her personal assistant who told her the "dress" was actually a top, and that she already had similar dresses she didn't wear; and the choreographer who genuinely seemed to care about her as a human, not a celebrity or cash cow. i wanted to kick the manager in the teeth. oh, and daddy spears, britney is a grown woman, why are you cooking her breakfast. girlfriend needs to learn to make breakfast for herself and her family. stop. fucking. fawning. over. her.
the real victims in this are the children. but britney is in a very dark place of circumstance, genetics, and her own choices. she seems like she has a good heart underneath it all a charming personality, and undeniably that indefinable "it" that stars have. it's up to her and her alone whether she can maintain the stability of her life now. i'm pessimistic, but let's hope she can do it, at least for the sake of those adorable kids.
She just seems unable to deal with the idea that you have to make sacrifices to get what you want. She can't be famous and be anonymous when she's not working, but she wants that so badly. It just ain't happening and she refuses to deal with it. Obviously the uber-fame is not working for her overall mental health, but she can't bear to part with it.
Lisa Left Eye Lopez of TLC fame got away from "IT" now she may not have been as big as Britney but she was BIG. She moved to a remote village in Honduras?
Britney please if you want to get away from it all go to a remote place get top notch security and just live and love yourself and your kids!
I certainly hope her "handlers" were watching that video: a lot of revealing and alarming things she said there.
For starters, I'm pretty sure Brit's going been thru some type of emotional/psychological crisis. More serious than the media reported. and she still is dealing with it.
It's very easy for us to dismiss her sadness as whining because she has things we don't or perhaps even envy: fame, wealth, etc. But Britney has no power. It seems everyone has a say in what she does, where she goes, how she does it... except her. I especially noted the moment when her father tried to take her phone away. Britney's response was a child-like "No Daddy!" Remember, she's been remanded into the custody of her father... at 27. Can you imagine being under your parents control at 27, with two kids of your own? Rich or poor, famous or unknown... that effin' sucks.
I also got the sense that because she's in her father's custody, he's the one staging her "comeback". Look at how she dances and performs: Brit's either completely lost her confidence (understandably so) or her heart's not in it. I'm guessing a combo of both.
I am a mom and grandmother - I have always loved her music and she can dance - people need to stop with all their comments - it is so mean - what has happened to compassion? People handle things in their life on different levels - I have had my share and I don't feel she should explain her life to anyone - it is no ones' business. We are losing our compassion for people and are so critical - maybe we should be more caring about life in general. Britney - my heart goes out to you - you are so talented - follow your heart - you have gorgeous children - trust in your parents and learn from your mistakes - you don't owe anyone an explanation. God Bless.
@MarieCockroach: kudos. she's hurting, and she has not learned how to be a grownup, and she has a psychological condition. I hope she works it out and i wish her well. The world could use a little more compassion - can I friend you for this?
I'm watching this right now and I just want to hug her. It's like she keeps trying to tell people something's wrong and they just smile and nod and push her on stage again. At some point, someone should stop seeing her as a cash cow and start just trying to get her some help. Untreated mental issues are never, ever a good thing.
I think a lot of the commenters have been really hard on her. I have battled depression for about 8 years now, and I'm not a pop star or a celebrity or anything like it, but the enormous pressure from family members even for me to just graduate high school and college and get a job that makes decent money and be the daughter everyone expects me to be is crippling.
Anyways, I do as I'm told, I take my meds, I go to therapy and while I'm not suicidal, I'm by no means happy with my life.I am terribly bored in my current existence; the security that is afforded me by my job and the lack of emotions I feel because I'm on anti-depressants means that yeah, my days aren't horribly depressing but neither are they enjoyable. It's like walking around in a strange fog, it's not dense, but it's not light enough that you can fully see what's going on around you.
@thatonegirlsays: I can understand that. I'm not on any medication currently, but I've dealt with those same pressures most of my life and you just don't know what to do with yourself except try and make everyone happy. It went especially badly when my mom died and hardly two weeks later, every single question from everyone was, "Are you going to get a job? Where are you going to work?" And it's just like...please let me breathe, for five minutes. It's still all I hear from family and I really wish I could just stop and yell for people to leave me alone and let me just be sad for a little while and I will do what needs to be done when I feel I'm ready for it. But I can't, because emotion isn't really something that I was raised to have.
And I totally just vented at you via comment. Sorry!
@Raspberry Swirl the Waitress: Completely hear you on not being raised to be emotional. For that reason, I understand that, in my case, people may not realize the pressure they're putting on me. However, it hurts when people who should really know your demeanor just don't seem to get it. (My sister died a little over a year ago. After the first few months, it's become rare for me to get emotional in front of people, unless I've been drinking. Even so, I never really show my family how I'm feeling because I don't want it to add to their pain. Somehow, they don't realize that I'm still dying inside and see no end to those feelings and thus don't understand why I freak out when they get on my case about getting my life in order.)
@InCahoots: Emotional distress twins! My mom died just under a year ago. It'll be a year on the 15th, so I'm feeling a bit wonky right now and am currently busying myself with anything and everything imaginable to make December go by without much thought to it. I almost lost it, though, when the funeral parlor sent me a card inviting me to have a candlelight vigil for her. It made me very panicky, and I've yet to contemplate actually DOING it and asking family if it's something they want to do. I'm actively pretending that it's not there. I do a lot of actively pretending about things.
I feel you on the seeing no end to those feelings. It's just...yeah. And since Britney did her freaking out thing around the same time I was bottling everything up, I was watching her with this...weird sense of admiration. And I know it's not healthy, but that's what I was feeling. Her going crazy, shaving her head, attacking cars...I wanted to be able to lash out like that. Everything was still so fresh and hard and I really just wanted to...yeah. Ugh. So many horrible feelings. So I do get a bit defensive at people saying Britney's just spoiled and annoying and needs to grow up. It's not about growing up.
@Raspberry Swirl the Waitress: @InCahoots: Are you from the Midwest because I am right there with you. I get so stabby when I hear "get over it". Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
@InCahoots: Noooo I'm left out of the midwest party! Sadface.
@thatonegirlsays: Thanks. I don't know what it is about more modern times that has just negated the empathy gene. Though, it's probably the elevation of the entitlement gene. It is a lot easier to share here because for the most part, there's a good amount of support.
Mental illness does not discriminate. It's a terrible shame that because of her celebrity, her saga is played out for all the world to see. Her breakdown was heartbreaking and scary to watch. Some people, I'm sure, laughed about it. Those people obviously never went through it or watched a family member go through it. My sis is bipolar and the time before she was diagnosed was terrifying for my parents and me. We literally never knew what she'd do next. I really hope Britney will make good use of her resources and get all the help she needs. And if it is, in fact, her family or handlers or whatever you call those industry people forcing her to make her "comeback", then they are all really fucked up. She seems so scared and alone and fragile, like a little girl. I'd like to give her a squeeze and tell her she's gonna be okay.
Oh that poor girl. Could it be that the medication is really slowing her down (her speech seems almost slurred) and that's why she's not doing so much intensive dancing too?
God, let her get off the treadmill and go and do something else. Can we all stop watching?
I don't think Britney realizes how sick she is or deep and profound it was/is. When she talked to about the shaving the head incident, her response, "Well, lots people shave their head". 1) I do not know ANYBODY (females) who shaves their head 2) And in the throes of a mental breakdown (or what looked liked to be one), a shaved head (mingled with tears, a million paps and ramblings of her mother allegedly)) isn't "just" a shaved head
@checkyopremisebitch: Ha, ha. I shaved a few female friends' heads in college on a whim. But, yes a shaved head in the midst of a breakdown is a little different than a shaved head for fun.
What is it with the fascination of the Tragic Blond (see Princess Diana,Anna Nicole Smith, Marilyn Monroe....)?
What gives? Would the American public be equally fascinated and sympathetic if the same tragedy befell a black/Latina/Asian pop star? -- I am just sayin'
I couldn't help but feel bad for Britney after watching this. It also made me really wonder why she ever became a singer. She kept talking about how she loved to dance and dancing was her therapy but never said anything about singing. Maybe she would have been happier becoming a back-up dancer or something. Although I doubt her father would have allowed it. He creeped me out a bit last night when he said "Nice hooker shoes, baby." Ew.
I really thought the saddest part of the whole thing is when she said something along the lines of, "No one listens to me. They hear what I'm saying, hear what they want to hear, but no one listens to me."
This is a young woman with the weight of the world on her shoulders, and she doesn't know how to carry it.
She is practically screaming for help - if she makes it past the next two years without something drastic happening, I'll be shocked. I just want to take her in my arms and hug her. Her sadness and helplessness on this tape is palpable.
@deeemer: You are a really cold-hearted person. I've struggled with depression for years, and let me tell you - it has nothing to do with your surroundings. It is a chemical imbalance. And you know what? When I finally got a diagnosis, I did feel like the weight of the world was lifted off my shoulders.
Perhaps it's time for you to step off this thread - you obviously have very little compassion for other human beings or knowledge of mental illness. Gee, what are you going to say next? That she should just pull herself up by her bootstraps and put on a happy face?
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JEEEEEEZUZ! those poor little boys just got 10 extra years of therapy added to their previous total.
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having discussed britney with my therapist on more than one occasion, i've come to the conclusion that what ails britney is less bipolar than it is personality disorder, particularly borderline personality disorder. [en.wikipedia.org] first it was post-partum depression, then it was bipolar (likely), now she's mumbling something about PTSD (it ain't PTSD). if i am right, expect to see her spiral out of control again once her father leaves to live his own life, as he eventually will, and should. Unfortunately there is no pill to cure personality disorders -- it takes years of intensive therapy and the will to work through issues and make changes in behavior, one by one. she dismisses therapy in the show, saying dancing and singing are "spiritual" and the only therapy she needs. oh, honey.
there was a minor flame war a few pages back over whether to feel sorry for her or to feel she ought to pull herself up by her bootstraps. it's possible to believe both. I do. it's possible to feel sorry for someone living with mental illness of varying degrees, and also to feel that, especially as a mother, she has a responsibility to develop parts of her personality that are missing -- personal responsibility, impulse control, ways to soothe and entertain herself, perspective, how to make healthy decisions -- and she can't do that without the years of aforementioned therapy. i also feel sorry that the way she is going doesn't look like she is headed down that road.
i also question that living in l.a. and continuing to court fame are helping. though better than it was, she is and will be surrounded by financial leeches and yes-people. i thought the healthiest people around here were: her personal assistant who told her the "dress" was actually a top, and that she already had similar dresses she didn't wear; and the choreographer who genuinely seemed to care about her as a human, not a celebrity or cash cow. i wanted to kick the manager in the teeth. oh, and daddy spears, britney is a grown woman, why are you cooking her breakfast. girlfriend needs to learn to make breakfast for herself and her family. stop. fucking. fawning. over. her.
the real victims in this are the children. but britney is in a very dark place of circumstance, genetics, and her own choices. she seems like she has a good heart underneath it all a charming personality, and undeniably that indefinable "it" that stars have. it's up to her and her alone whether she can maintain the stability of her life now. i'm pessimistic, but let's hope she can do it, at least for the sake of those adorable kids.
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Britney please if you want to get away from it all go to a remote place get top notch security and just live and love yourself and your kids!
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For starters, I'm pretty sure Brit's going been thru some type of emotional/psychological crisis. More serious than the media reported. and she still is dealing with it.
It's very easy for us to dismiss her sadness as whining because she has things we don't or perhaps even envy: fame, wealth, etc. But Britney has no power. It seems everyone has a say in what she does, where she goes, how she does it... except her. I especially noted the moment when her father tried to take her phone away. Britney's response was a child-like "No Daddy!" Remember, she's been remanded into the custody of her father... at 27. Can you imagine being under your parents control at 27, with two kids of your own? Rich or poor, famous or unknown... that effin' sucks.
I also got the sense that because she's in her father's custody, he's the one staging her "comeback". Look at how she dances and performs: Brit's either completely lost her confidence (understandably so) or her heart's not in it. I'm guessing a combo of both.
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Anyways, I do as I'm told, I take my meds, I go to therapy and while I'm not suicidal, I'm by no means happy with my life.I am terribly bored in my current existence; the security that is afforded me by my job and the lack of emotions I feel because I'm on anti-depressants means that yeah, my days aren't horribly depressing but neither are they enjoyable. It's like walking around in a strange fog, it's not dense, but it's not light enough that you can fully see what's going on around you.
12/01/08
And I totally just vented at you via comment. Sorry!
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Guh, apologies for my comment vent as well.
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I feel you on the seeing no end to those feelings. It's just...yeah. And since Britney did her freaking out thing around the same time I was bottling everything up, I was watching her with this...weird sense of admiration. And I know it's not healthy, but that's what I was feeling. Her going crazy, shaving her head, attacking cars...I wanted to be able to lash out like that. Everything was still so fresh and hard and I really just wanted to...yeah. Ugh. So many horrible feelings. So I do get a bit defensive at people saying Britney's just spoiled and annoying and needs to grow up. It's not about growing up.
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@thatonegirlsays: Thanks. I don't know what it is about more modern times that has just negated the empathy gene. Though, it's probably the elevation of the entitlement gene. It is a lot easier to share here because for the most part, there's a good amount of support.
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God, let her get off the treadmill and go and do something else. Can we all stop watching?
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1) I do not know ANYBODY (females) who shaves their head
2) And in the throes of a mental breakdown (or what looked liked to be one), a shaved head (mingled with tears, a million paps and ramblings of her mother allegedly)) isn't "just" a shaved head
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What gives? Would the American public be equally fascinated and sympathetic if the same tragedy befell a black/Latina/Asian pop star? -- I am just sayin'
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She is practically screaming for help - if she makes it past the next two years without something drastic happening, I'll be shocked. I just want to take her in my arms and hug her. Her sadness and helplessness on this tape is palpable.
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Perhaps it's time for you to step off this thread - you obviously have very little compassion for other human beings or knowledge of mental illness. Gee, what are you going to say next? That she should just pull herself up by her bootstraps and put on a happy face?
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