Thanks to Jezebel and some guy, I finally know my demographic. I am apparently a proud member of the very disturbed. (I always thought I was just one of the qazillions of chicks who are encumbered with being attracted to musicians.)
The simultaneously funniest and most horrifying part of that book? The tip at the end where they advocate donating blood to lose weight. Every pint helps!
Mary Rambin is still pushing this on her blog. I think it is definitely (and sadly) still relevant. Although using Ms. Rambin as a model for relevance is probably horribly off.
i think you all are forgetting the totally skinny body type that is the male ideal in the hipstery, indie world. so yeah, this book is sadly, probably relevant.
I don't know if it's just me, but being a bitch is not appealing to me at all. I'd rather be a nice, happy person and be able to eat things other than sprouts and edamame.
I got called Skinny Bitch by a woman I work with. She was pregnant so I let it fly, but it actually really upset me. 1. it's called genetics, I can't help it if my dad is 5'10 and has never been over 130lbs, or that he shared the skinny with me. 2. I'm not a bitch! If I was a bitch I would have called her fat right back. But I didn't, because I'm a skinny nice person.
I'm sure I'm sticking my neck waaaaay out here, but have you considered that the fact that you deem "fat" a pejorative adjective in your own mind might be part of the problem?
You could have said "If I were a bitch, I could have called you a not-so-nice name right back." You could have made your point and simultaneously defused her bitchiness by not using the opposite cultural connotation that makes "skinny b*tch" such a stinging assault.
@wooden_shoes: I have a friend who fights this all the time -- the assumption that something's wrong with her because she's naturally tall and slender. I have her back, at all times.
But Rooo does have a point, and to her I say:
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: No, I'd say you're wise. And why haven't I hearted you yet? I'll fix that right away.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Not to mention that I just can't get behind even joking about calling pregnant women fat. Her pregnancy is no reason to give her a pass on calling you a skinny bitch, but pregnancy makes someone "fat" by NECESSITY and I've known too many women that have this warped "I look AWFUL" view of themselves when they're with child.
@ellaesther: Heh. Same. Are you in charge of the "Curvy Omnivorous" t-shirts? We can fool people into believing we're a rock group and make them give us funds so we can tour.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Not to put my foot in it, but: sarcasm you are missing it. I don't call people fat, and frankly I don't give a shit if you're over weight, if you're skinny or if you're perfectly sized.
I kind of hate how on this website I have to self monitor EVERYTHING in hopes of not getting jumped on.
And @InCahoots: I don't even know where to go with this, because I wasn't joking about calling her fat, I was saying "a bitch may have said this" but I didn't. Because I'm not a bitch.
@wooden_shoes: No, sweetie, I'm not missing it. Really, I'm not.
But if I were going to be sarcastic, I'd say you want to make sure that foot you speak of has some good protein and EFAs along with the complex carbs. Because your blood sugar seems to be a little low - one of the common symptoms is that people get bad-tempered and snappy.
Hit me, Jezzies - didn't we have a whole Jezetiquette module on this approach? It's right up there with "I don't mean to be mean, but ..." and "I shouldn't say this, but ..."
If that's the way your remark starts, you can always stop right there! Brevity - it's not just for breakfast anymore.
Is this the book that advocates eating only two little cubes of cheese and describing it as "IT'S FUN LIKE A NIGHTCLUB"? Or is this something else? Does anyone remember this? Did I dream this?
While possibly not the most effective approach in the world, it's sad and ironic that you'd term it "abusive." People who dine on corpses (more imaginative word play!) so fucking delicate. Funny how they're eating the floor right out from under them/us.
@dola: Their particular approach is abusive, in tone and language, and it would be so regardless of whether they thought eating animal products was OK.
@dola: Well, have you tried the new Kentucky Fried Chicken Floor Coverings line? It's quite tasty, especially with a bit of ranch on the side for dipping. A little greasy though-you're gonna wanna wear skid-proof shoes.
@Evlsushi: Not helping the cause? Typical double standards? No I got it, thanks.
You missed my points, so I'll run them down again for you: be more careful with language; the 'moment,' supposedly superceded by an economic crisis, is bigger than Skinny Bitch and yes that's what gets clamped onto by the dopey media; veganism-IS-the-only-way to start equitably feeding 6 and then 9 billion people on this planet unless you're banking on continued gross disparities and a few more Earths as we lumber on into the future. Veganism will always come attached with a certain amount of stridency as a proportion of the consequences facing our humanity and environment. Would Jezebel/Gawker have snickered at John Brown? Believe me I understand the frustration with Freedman & Barnouin's tactics because I'm annoyed by them as well. But there are plenty of people who make lazy connections between that line and the movement as a whole, and Sadie doesn't strike me as a lazy person.
@dola: Ok, so you did miss the point of the article and you're kind of rude.
I, nor Sadie, is arguing whether or not veganism is the only way, but instead on the delivery of an emotionally unhealthy lifestyle. Veganism does not equal economic/social irresponsibility. Skinny Bitch lifestyle, does.
I'm not getting into an argument about veganism: pro or con in saving the environment, because that is not what this article is about. Plain and simple. This is the wrong place to spout "my way or the highway" ideologies. This is taking veganism, a totally ok lifestyle, and twisting it into a self-loathing, ED encouraging mess.
@dola: Did you just get here? There are lots of respectful articles about veganism on this site. They're targeting the rhetoric of "Skinny Bitch", not the emphasis on the vegan lifestyle.
@angelina jolie-laide is a gaudy tulip: No I didn't just get here. I just chafe a bit at how Jezebel has a history of obsessing over the tone of animal or environmental rights activism. For better or worse, any kind of 'strident' rhetoric that usually accompanies progressive movements throughout history gets dressed down here. AGAIN, not talking about these authors, so I think Evl is right and Sadie is just taking the brunt of my built up pissiness.
In typically histrionic fashion, PETA director of research Kathy Guillermo tells Newsweek: "Given the environmental, cruelty and health impact of a meat-based diet, going vegan is best, going vegetarian is good, and being a flexitarian is like smoking two packs of cigarettes instead of ten, beating one pig down the slaughter ramp instead of two, and pouring a pint of gasoline down a drain instead of pouring down a gallon."
I really want to go vegetarian for the environment after that sort of sweet talk! Of course, made in a less obnoxious fashion, Guillermo's has a semi-valid point.
@dola: I understand your point, but don't you think PETA IS histrionic? They compare factory farming to slavery and dog shows to the KKK. Those kind of comparisons are hyperbolic. I don't support factory farming and I'm iffy on dog shows, but it's disrespectful to compare these practices.
I'm in treatment for an eating disorder and I've heard other anorexics say that they've used this book for "thinspiration" because it's easier not to eat meat/cheese if you think of it as a rotting carcass or bacteria food. I flipped through it once and all I could think was how much the authors' words sounded like my eating disorder mind. No me gusta.
04/23/09
An attractive bodily-toned man is "ripped."
The male equivalent of a "bitch" is an "asshole."
Therefore the book should be titled "The Ripped Asshole."
Hmmmm. I sense a PR speed-bump.
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
Kidding. Kind of.
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
Curvy and soft, pleasant when possible, and omnivorous. That's me, motherfuckers!
(In an aside, directly regarding these two books: Oy.)
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
I'm sure I'm sticking my neck waaaaay out here, but have you considered that the fact that you deem "fat" a pejorative adjective in your own mind might be part of the problem?
You could have said "If I were a bitch, I could have called you a not-so-nice name right back." You could have made your point and simultaneously defused her bitchiness by not using the opposite cultural connotation that makes "skinny b*tch" such a stinging assault.
But I know, I'm just counterculture.
04/23/09
But Rooo does have a point, and to her I say:
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: No, I'd say you're wise. And why haven't I hearted you yet? I'll fix that right away.
04/23/09
/rant.
04/23/09
04/23/09
Stemming, perhaps, from the same Fount of Ignorant, but still.
04/23/09
I kind of hate how on this website I have to self monitor EVERYTHING in hopes of not getting jumped on.
And @InCahoots: I don't even know where to go with this, because I wasn't joking about calling her fat, I was saying "a bitch may have said this" but I didn't. Because I'm not a bitch.
But now I'm feeling bitchy.
04/23/09
But if I were going to be sarcastic, I'd say you want to make sure that foot you speak of has some good protein and EFAs along with the complex carbs. Because your blood sugar seems to be a little low - one of the common symptoms is that people get bad-tempered and snappy.
@InCahoots: @virginiawoolf: @ellaesther: "Not to put my foot in it, but ..."
Hit me, Jezzies - didn't we have a whole Jezetiquette module on this approach? It's right up there with "I don't mean to be mean, but ..." and "I shouldn't say this, but ..."
If that's the way your remark starts, you can always stop right there! Brevity - it's not just for breakfast anymore.
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09
You missed my points, so I'll run them down again for you: be more careful with language; the 'moment,' supposedly superceded by an economic crisis, is bigger than Skinny Bitch and yes that's what gets clamped onto by the dopey media; veganism-IS-the-only-way to start equitably feeding 6 and then 9 billion people on this planet unless you're banking on continued gross disparities and a few more Earths as we lumber on into the future. Veganism will always come attached with a certain amount of stridency as a proportion of the consequences facing our humanity and environment. Would Jezebel/Gawker have snickered at John Brown? Believe me I understand the frustration with Freedman & Barnouin's tactics because I'm annoyed by them as well. But there are plenty of people who make lazy connections between that line and the movement as a whole, and Sadie doesn't strike me as a lazy person.
04/23/09
I, nor Sadie, is arguing whether or not veganism is the only way, but instead on the delivery of an emotionally unhealthy lifestyle. Veganism does not equal economic/social irresponsibility. Skinny Bitch lifestyle, does.
I'm not getting into an argument about veganism: pro or con in saving the environment, because that is not what this article is about. Plain and simple. This is the wrong place to spout "my way or the highway" ideologies. This is taking veganism, a totally ok lifestyle, and twisting it into a self-loathing, ED encouraging mess.
04/23/09
04/23/09
In typically histrionic fashion, PETA director of research Kathy Guillermo tells Newsweek: "Given the environmental, cruelty and health impact of a meat-based diet, going vegan is best, going vegetarian is good, and being a flexitarian is like smoking two packs of cigarettes instead of ten, beating one pig down the slaughter ramp instead of two, and pouring a pint of gasoline down a drain instead of pouring down a gallon."
I really want to go vegetarian for the environment after that sort of sweet talk! Of course, made in a less obnoxious fashion, Guillermo's has a semi-valid point.
[jezebel.com]
04/23/09
04/23/09
(sarcasm, of course)
04/23/09
04/23/09
04/23/09