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jrhys
07/24/09

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While we're talking can we also look at about size-ism in fashion blogs? The Sartorialist regularly posts pix of emaciated women, often smoking cigarettes, as fashion inspiration:
http://www.thesartorialist.com/photos/62209WhttopGucci_127Web.jpg,http://www.thesartorialist.com/photos/2149GraceWeb.jpg,http://www.thesartorialist.com/photos/2179RoTurWeb.jpg
It makes me just ill!
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hamburgerhotdog
07/24/09

@jrhys: I cannot recall a time I've seen any woman who wasn't extremely thin on one of those blogs. It's as if stylish women don't exist past size six!
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EzekielEriphyle
07/24/09

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Jezebel, You are misrepresenting the quote in the last bullet point a little. The quote ends with the woman saying something to the effect of, "that was what my mom would tell me, but I don't agree with it." I think it's important to give people credit when it's due, especially when the rest of your piece is so critical (deservedly, I'm not arguing with that).
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queenieinmanhattan
07/24/09

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...who lives — of course — on the Upper East Side.

This UESer says, "Ouch!"
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clochette
07/23/09

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Wow, Parisiennes and NYCers have more in common than I'd realised.

When a recent study showed that French women were the slimmest in Europe - but were more likely to consider themselves as needing to lose weight than any other country, as well as setting their 'ideal' BMI lower than any other nation (19.5) - well, you should have seen the triumph in the French ladymags. Literally, 'WE'VE WON! WE'RE SKINNIEST!'. Scary stuff.
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Beets.Go.On is the Fat Yogini
07/23/09

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I've lost 6 pounds this week on the mysterious stomach virus diet. Does that mean I can be a rich, entitled, privilege-wielding twatwaffle now?
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KetchupFiend
07/23/09

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Don't know if it's been brought up but I'd bet Manhattanites are younger, on average, than people in the other boroughs. Which I'd guess would correlate somewhat with weight.
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cate3710
07/23/09

@KetchupFiend: I doubt that's true. Yeah, some people move to the outer boroughs when they have kids, but younger people like me live in the boroughs because of cheaper rent.
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ritualtheory
07/23/09

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I grew up in New York, and aside from L.A., it's the only place in the world where I feel consistently shlumpy. And now I find out it isn't simply paranoia?

My mother, also a native, smoked for 40 *years* lest she quit and get fat. Evidently she lives where she belongs.
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tallgirl-in-heels
07/23/09

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Strange, I was immediately enveloped in a cloud of choking smug when I opened that article.
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LawFairy
07/23/09

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Okay, now, I do have to say, I can relate to the quote about not being able to enjoy eating when she feels fat... when I feel fat, I don't feel comfortable in my own skin, which makes eating, walking, going out in public, *anything* unenjoyable. NOW, I understand that the REASON for this is that society is so size-obsessed that it's seeped into my subconscious via osmosis. And I'm working on confronting those unspoken assumptions and combating them when I have the strength. But damn if I can't change how I feel.

Of course, it doesn't look like she's critically engaging the source of her feelings, so I guess that's an important distinction. But still, I'm a bit wary of criticizing people simply for having *feelings* we don't like. I know I've certainly spent enough money on therapy trying not to feel guilty for the simple act of having certain emotional gut reactions...
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hellosunshine
07/23/09

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You know, there are days when I miss New York, like a whole hell of a lot, and I wonder why I moved back to Texas.

This is not one of them.
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hellosunshine
07/23/09

@hellosunshine: (I kid, I love that damn place. And the bagels.)
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philoclea
07/23/09

@hellosunshine: Hey, I'm moving to TX from NY in two weeks! Can you please tell me what I have to look forward to, perhaps by PM?

Back to topic: My short year in NYC was spent living in Manhattan, but I really would have enjoyed the boroughs more, I think. This midtown/UES priviledge -- actually, what the LES has become too -- just riles me like there's no tomorrow. As to the NY Times' trend articles, which make me understand why people in the rest of the country might think New Yorkers have their heads in the clouds.
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mymra
07/23/09

@philoclea: LES may not be what it once was, but about 1/3 of its population still lives below the poverty line. That's hardly UES.

And, for what it's worth, I'm a New Yorker (who, once upon a time, spent 2.8 harrowing years in Texas), and I think that the Times' trend pieces are only good for lulz.
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philoclea
07/23/09

@mymra: See, the thing is, I think so too. I mean, I don't think those pieces represent NYC at all -- there are so many cool, normal, weird, down-to-earth, creative, younameit people in this city. And yet the NYTimes is all, "How to get your kid into the right preschool" and "How to improve your jogging." I get that they have advertising to sell, but they're also the New York paper people in the rest of the country and abroad are likely to read (back in Toronto, it was a sign of sophistication to have a subscription to the Times), and I can't help but wish they'd be better ambassadors for the city.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the "Moving into a now-hip ethnic area and then complaining about the ethnic people" trend piece.
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Mmmmkay (gellin' and Jezebelin)
07/23/09

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Sigh. The best way to combat a depressing post like this is with puns.

I'd like to INTER-MIX up a batch of cupcakes and feed them to you, Ms. Bacci!
Your fancy expensive gym membership still won't help you get Tomback, Susan!
You can have your cute little triceps, I'll stick with my delicious roast tri-tip!

Yeah okay.. still not helping.
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BabyJane
07/23/09

@Mmmmkay (gellin' and Jezebelin): I beg to differ, it helped me tremendously!
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sportz.star
07/23/09

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Setting aside the inanity of the people quoted and the navel gazing of the article -- at least I feel better about the fact that since moving from one very fit place -- Colorado to a very thin place -- NYC, I have noticed that my being fit makes me much larger than most people that I see/interact with daily. Apparently, it's not me. It's true. Folks are skinny here. It's a mad mad mad mad skinny bitch place, this NYC.

I love it though.
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labeled
07/23/09

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This post makes me miss Tscheese, hard.
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bluebears
07/23/09

@labeled: where is she?
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labeled
07/23/09

@bluebears: Comment 2.0: I like to think she's on her side of the river with a box of wine, a long straw and a cute little mascaraed boy feeding her sausage and cakes.
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hellosunshine
07/23/09

@labeled: Whoa, yeah, I just realized she's been gone for a while! Probably just crazed with work.
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dahliacactus
07/23/09

@labeled: I too have been wondering about the Tscheese... she is my favorite commenter.
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TheExperience
07/23/09

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Yawn. Come over to Jersey. I roll with a crew of fat dudes who throw killer barbecues and both brew their own beer and pursue the most exotic and delicious suds they can find. Oh, and they all smoke like chimneys and are nowhere near what anyone would call "thin". But damn if they can't throw a party. Sounds way more exciting than watered down vodka and three packs of cigarettes in some shitty trend bar downtown.
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missteenwordpower
07/23/09

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Ugh. Thanks, NYT, for your perfunctory mention of the fact that these low obesity rates come from access to dollars, proper food, and an urban environment that allows for LOTS of walking. Followed by your extremely detailed analysis of 22-dollar salads. Incisive indeed.
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