This article speaks to me, except that I feel that way with my brother. I'm 19, he's 16. Obviously there are a lot of differences, but we get along fantastically and he just GETS me. One thing I love is that I can quote some random line from a movie, and he knows instantly what I mean and we laugh about it. Just little moments like that make me grateful for having him as my BFF.
It definitely wasn't always this way though. If anyone else has brothers, than you can sympathize about the brawls you get into over stupid shit. Sisters, too, for that matter!
But I do wonder about the relationship I'll end up having with my sister. She's 14 months old. I'm kind of sad that I'll never really know her intimately the way I do with my brother--I mean, I can know her, but since I'm 18 years older than her, there won't really be that no-holds-barred, share everything and making mischief kind of camaraderie that I have with my brother. It'll probably be more like a mother-daughter relationship than anything, you know?
Who knows. If I ever have/adopt kids, I definitely want to have at least 2 so they can experience the type of relationship here. They're like cats, right? You have to have 2 so they don't get lonely and they can play with each other when you're gone?
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I wonder if this NPR piece was meant to be more of an ooey gooey "aww isn't family just swell?" fluff type segment more than anything. I mean, stores are already putting up christmas decorations in my town, so I have a feeling that sentimentality is back on its annual migratory path once again.
I agree with Kate. Having a great sister doesn't necessarily mean you have a "better" best friend than someone who doesn't. I tend to think of friends as the family you get to choose, so I don't feel like I'm missing out on much simply because I'm not genetically related to my best friend.
@kolea: I'm not sure it was meant to be a pure sentimentality piece. The extract from the book is a lot more nuanced--it's about the complexity of the sister relationship, not about how 'awww sisters are totally like BFFs omg'. The longest anecdote in the extract is about sisters who didn't speak to each other for a year because of a fight over issues relating to inheritance!
I think that most families and siblings go through phases (which I'm sure Tannen mentions).
I was talking to a friend who has both an older and a younger brother. Someone asked about how they're all so incredibly close and she looked sort of uncomfortable and said something like, "well, it's different with my older brother.... but the younger one and I traveled together, so we grew closer." And everyone was really surprised to hear that their relationships are multifaceted and complicated.
My sister and I are generally very close, laughing and talking and hanging out, but I certainly don't count on her for things. It's a relationship like any other, with pros and cons. We're just pretty sure we'll be dealing with one another for the long haul.
I used to be really close to both of my sisters. However, they both take after our mother in their actions, so we haven't spoken in a very long time.
I'm not sure if I even want to repair the relationships, despite what society says about blood trumping everything.
I've been thinking about the roles of sisters, and what they should mean, far too much lately. Both of my sisters have attempted to convince any mutual friends of how terrible I am, and have succeeded in many cases. Why should our shared parentage mean that I have to forgive that?
My younger sister is one of my best friends. My older sister and I have a more complicated relationship; there's no major drama, but even in our mid-twenties, she often slips back into bully mode, making it difficult for a true friendship to form. I'm also close to my oldest sister, and we have a great time together. My younger sister recently moved to my city (the rest of my family lives pretty far away), and we now spend a lot of our time together, which has strengthened our friendship. When I think about our bond and why it's so strong, I think that the fact that we're sisters actually has a lot to do with it. Part of it is that we have the same cultural currency. Just like me, she knows what it means to come from a mixed race family, to grow up in a white trailer park, but attend a black pentecostal church on Sundays. She knows exactly why and how our family drives us nuts. I have other friends who I love like sisters, who I know will be in my life forever. But she is the only one who understands each facet of my personality and experience and sense of humor because, despite our differences, we have inhabited similar worlds.
@thesciencegirl: In the extract from the book, Tannen writes (I'm paraphrasing) that sisters own part of what you own--your past, the experiences that made you, your family, a 'shared legacy'. I thought that was a great way of describing what makes a sister special, and what gives sisters a special ability to drive you insane, but also enables them to know you more intimately than anyone else. My sister is the only person who completely understands my fucked up nationality, our ridiculous parents, the whole lot. Even if we don't react to those things the same way, or understand them differently, we share them.
I'm an only child, so no sister, and both my parents had brothers, so no sisterly comparison. Articles like the one referenced her and the birth order article earlier drive me a little nuts because they seem to take for granted that everyone's experiences are the same, and they really, really aren't. That being said, my closest friends from college are like sisters to me, so I personally have to believe that friends are just as great as sisters (with absolutely nothing to compare it to).
As #3 in a family of four girls, having sisters is kind of cool. Naturally, there's no one else in the world who knows how to push my buttons as well as they do, specifically #2 & #4, and I always wished I had an older brother in the 14 year gap between #1 & #2, but in the end, I'm really glad with how we all turned out now that we're older. They're the ones who can make me laugh the most.
@Bookwrm: My best friend is the second in a row of four sisters and I find their dynamic hilarious/fascinating. The oldest is a total second mum. The middle two, including my bestie (who I mentioned in a different thread is very similar to my own sister), get along very well, although they're quite different. The youngest is totally spoiled by the mother, and the middle two resent it so much. Like, every picture in the house is of the little one, who's about 6 years younger than the next. So the youngest--who is terribly sweet but a bit socially inept--is always being tormented by the middle two, who claim they're toughening her up for the real world because the oldest sister and the mum treat her like a princess.
But however much they fight, when their parents got divorced they banded together amazingly. Their parents are pretty screwed up in general, and their crazy dynamic seems to really protect them from their mum's general insanity and their dad's passivity. They're like a little team when it really counts.
@rah29: My dad grew up with only one sister and two brothers. He always told us that, when he and my mom are gone, we're stuck with each other so we might as well get along.
My sister murdered my goldfish (chopped them in half with scissors, y'all) and blamed it on my brother. We didn't find the true culprit out until about a decade later.
That said, I freaking love her and would do anything to make her happy. But she can be a real bitch sometimes.
@rah29: My sister and I were fighting on the sofa once and I kicked her in the face and gave her a nose bleed. She doesn't hold it against me (although writing this reminds me that I have only thought of half her birthday present, damnit.)
@Plum-Pie: Hah, birthday presents are a free for all. My birthday was like two months ago and she still owes me a present because she claims to be too broke to get me one. She will forget, but then again, so will I!
I have a sister, a cousin who is like a sister, and a few friends who I'm very close with.
I'm probably the closest with the cousin (we chat nearly daily), then the friends, and then my sister. Frankly, my sister annoys the hell out of me more often than not, although she's nine years younger than me and still a teenager.
I don't know, it's probably a shame for my sister that by the time she got around to being born, I already had replaced her with the cousin, and she was always too young for us to really bond. Perhaps, if I don't kill her first, we will someday.
My two older sisters have a different father from me and my younger sister. We have a mother in common. My older sisters have never forgiven us (the younger ones) for being born. They pretended to like and accept us, but there has always been a "them" and 'us" mentality.
As you all know, my mom recently passed. My older sisters went into her apartment while she was on her deathbed and removed whatever they wanted. Mom had a will, and my husband is the executor. My younger sister had no idea what they were doing. Now my hubby has to un-fuck what they did. One of them even has my mom's purse and she won't give it up so the executor can cancel mom's credit cards. She claims that since mom died in her house, everything there automatically became hers. Batshit insane.
They are dead to me. My younger sister is still close to me. The older ones, and their kids, can suck it for eternity.
@Never_Nude: Ugh. I'm sorry. Family deaths and sibling drama always seem to go together. My dad didn't talk to his brother for more than a decade because he pulled the same stuff as your sisters did.
It's easy to romanticize the idea of sisters, as it is with any relationship, but I'm happy to see a spotlight put on this type of relationship.
I often get this feeling that all my relationships, with my sister, my bff, etc, are just considered starter relationships. Insignificant in relation to that hypothetical great romantic relationship of my life that may or may not happen someday. I'd like to think that wherever my life leads, the relationships I hold now will not lose their significance.
I love my sister and wouldn't want anything to happen to her but I don't consider her a friend. I've always thought if we weren't related and just happened to work together I would probably really dislike her. Then I feel horribly guilty for that because she's not a bad person just very anal and bossy and judgemental and is ALL about the drama and it exhausts me to be around her for more than 30 minutes.
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It definitely wasn't always this way though. If anyone else has brothers, than you can sympathize about the brawls you get into over stupid shit. Sisters, too, for that matter!
But I do wonder about the relationship I'll end up having with my sister. She's 14 months old. I'm kind of sad that I'll never really know her intimately the way I do with my brother--I mean, I can know her, but since I'm 18 years older than her, there won't really be that no-holds-barred, share everything and making mischief kind of camaraderie that I have with my brother. It'll probably be more like a mother-daughter relationship than anything, you know?
Who knows. If I ever have/adopt kids, I definitely want to have at least 2 so they can experience the type of relationship here. They're like cats, right? You have to have 2 so they don't get lonely and they can play with each other when you're gone?
:D
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I agree with Kate. Having a great sister doesn't necessarily mean you have a "better" best friend than someone who doesn't. I tend to think of friends as the family you get to choose, so I don't feel like I'm missing out on much simply because I'm not genetically related to my best friend.
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I was talking to a friend who has both an older and a younger brother. Someone asked about how they're all so incredibly close and she looked sort of uncomfortable and said something like, "well, it's different with my older brother.... but the younger one and I traveled together, so we grew closer." And everyone was really surprised to hear that their relationships are multifaceted and complicated.
My sister and I are generally very close, laughing and talking and hanging out, but I certainly don't count on her for things. It's a relationship like any other, with pros and cons. We're just pretty sure we'll be dealing with one another for the long haul.
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I'm not sure if I even want to repair the relationships, despite what society says about blood trumping everything.
I've been thinking about the roles of sisters, and what they should mean, far too much lately. Both of my sisters have attempted to convince any mutual friends of how terrible I am, and have succeeded in many cases. Why should our shared parentage mean that I have to forgive that?
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after all you cant cut off your sister but you can cut off basically everybody else.
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But however much they fight, when their parents got divorced they banded together amazingly. Their parents are pretty screwed up in general, and their crazy dynamic seems to really protect them from their mum's general insanity and their dad's passivity. They're like a little team when it really counts.
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That said, I freaking love her and would do anything to make her happy. But she can be a real bitch sometimes.
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On the other hand, I almost broke her nose once. Swings and roundabouts--that's what sisters are all about, really!
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I'm probably the closest with the cousin (we chat nearly daily), then the friends, and then my sister. Frankly, my sister annoys the hell out of me more often than not, although she's nine years younger than me and still a teenager.
I don't know, it's probably a shame for my sister that by the time she got around to being born, I already had replaced her with the cousin, and she was always too young for us to really bond. Perhaps, if I don't kill her first, we will someday.
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Hannah and her sisters
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As you all know, my mom recently passed. My older sisters went into her apartment while she was on her deathbed and removed whatever they wanted. Mom had a will, and my husband is the executor. My younger sister had no idea what they were doing. Now my hubby has to un-fuck what they did. One of them even has my mom's purse and she won't give it up so the executor can cancel mom's credit cards. She claims that since mom died in her house, everything there automatically became hers. Batshit insane.
They are dead to me. My younger sister is still close to me. The older ones, and their kids, can suck it for eternity.
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I often get this feeling that all my relationships, with my sister, my bff, etc, are just considered starter relationships. Insignificant in relation to that hypothetical great romantic relationship of my life that may or may not happen someday. I'd like to think that wherever my life leads, the relationships I hold now will not lose their significance.
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