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nkstr
08/18/09

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I still haven't checked this out yet and I'm not sure I will. The movie is one of my favourites.

Does Veronica Mars count as a feminist? I don't know if she ever said she was one but I think she would have proudly declared herself to be a feminist if asked. I loved that show for so many reasons. It was funny and it's lead was a smart, strong teenage girl.
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bellzar08
08/19/09

@nkstr: I definitely belive she was!
I loved that show. She was definitely such a role model as a character: independent, curious, ambitious, witty, funny, and charming.
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♥AntiSocialSocialite♥
08/18/09

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Can I just say - ETHAN PECK? Those Peck genes are strong.

Anywho, one of my favorite lines came from a few weeks ago:
"Oh, I'm sorry I thought you were some other guy. I'm not saying you are a guy; you could be a butch lesbian, or a transgendered male. Whatever you are, I celebrate you!"

Full disclosure, my friend is on this show, so I felt obligated to watch and be able to discuss it with him... but I actually ended up REALLY enjoying it.
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dragonmage06
08/18/09

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I really like this show and have started watching each new episode (albeit on ABC Family website since I don't have the channel). I hope your prediction about it only lasting a few weeks doesn't come true...but somehow I think it might. ABC Family seems to be pushing shows about catty gymnasts instead.
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funnyface
08/18/09

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Glad to see that feminism is making it on mainstream teen tv, but the original movie on which this was based ALSO featured a feminist Kat, who toted around copies of the Feminine Mystique and the Bell Jar.
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Dodai
08/18/09

@funnyface: Right, same director. But the movie was 10 years ago.
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andBegorrah
08/18/09

@funnyface: Those seemed to be there as standard, this-is-how-we-signal-that-she's-a-feminist props; not that the character herself was lacking in feminist bona fides, of course, but I'm struck by how the show undercuts that kind of cliched signaling by pointing out that her use of de Beauvoir for her essay was trite, while her self-righteousness and self-regard caused her to overlook her friend's essay on the personal experience of fattism. I'm not saying the episode was dramatizing the thin privilege exercised by even well-meaning feminists or anything on that grand of a scale, but it was an interesting refusal on the show's part to make her a Gloria Sue.
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The Queen of No
08/18/09

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I liked the teacher better. Oops.
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mfnher
08/18/09

@The Queen of No: Yeah, just judging from the clips she pretty much stole every scene.
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EsmereldaFitzmonster
08/18/09

@mfnher: Really? She made me cringe in a big way. But then, I'm a teacher.
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mfnher
08/18/09

@EsmereldaFitzmonster: Ha! Not scene stealing in a way where I'd want her as a teacher. She just looks like the more fun character to play.
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TurtleWexlerKickedMe
08/18/09

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I love this show too (and am also over their demographic)...it's funny in a much more relatable way than most other sitcoms. Also, I just try to be a conscious consumer, which means I make it a point to watch shows featuring feminist characters who aren't jokes.

I just got a new DVR (goodbye Tivo) and was struggling to remember which Season Passes I needed to set. This has reminded me! Yay.
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emfish55
08/18/09

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Huh. I only watched the premiere episode, but took it off my summer Tivo schedule because the characters and dialogue seemed to lack the bite of the movie, which I loved (of course, back then I was the target demographic). But this post kind of makes me want to go check out the rest of the season online.

I wonder who writes for the show. Both of the plotlines described above are so well constructed in that Kat learns a lesson about being a good friend or asking for help, but still gets to retain her feminist identity. The more predictable route would be to punish Kat in some way for sticking to her feminist guns. The way it's handled instead makes me think the writing staff is (1) got at least a few women on it, and (2) is just generally more enlightened about what it means to be a feminist.
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Dodai
08/18/09

@emfish55: Not only was Kat's plot constructed well, but Bianca had some interesting lessons, too: She wanted to hang out with the "cool" girl, but the "cool" girl's only hobby? Shopping. For expensive purses. Bianca had to come up with a plan to earn cash quick (involving a web show), but also ended up bemoaning the teenage obsession with anything Gucci or Prada.
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
08/18/09

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I admit, I kind of lost interested in this show after the second week. Maybe I'd feel different if I were younger, but it seemed to be walking a fine line between "good" and "lots of heart!" without being enough of either to really grab me.

Has it gotten better or more interesting since?
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Dodai
08/18/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: i happen to think it's really good and i'm waaay out of the target demographic, age wise.
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Antrack
08/18/09

@Dodai: What do you think of the other half of the show that you didn't cover here: Bianca and her quest for popularity, and Cameron's love for Bianca? I've had a few issues with it.
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Dodai
08/18/09

@Antrack: It's true that Bianca and Cameron are both misguided, but it's interesting to me that neither of them are dumb, just brainwashed -- he by "the perfect girl" and she by "popularity." We'll see how it plays out, I guess.
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NefariousNewt
08/18/09

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OK, I plan to buy this for my 4-year-old daughter for Christmas and keep it for her until she gets older.
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LaComtesse
08/18/09

@NefariousNewt: I've put a moratorium on the "future gifts" Mr. wants to buy for our (unborn) children. (I don't tell him this, but it springs from my Italian superstition that the atheism hasn't quite killed yet that he'll bring the malocchio on us and we won't have kids... I mask this by simply saying "We can get it once we HAVE the child, darling.")
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NefariousNewt
08/18/09

@LaComtesse: It dawns on me that by then, there will be pirated copies floating around the Internet and the DVDs will be antiquated.
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