I think the only time an apology would be needed in this case was if this was a plot of a Lifetime movie and Ashley was actually Silda's daughter or some shit.
That being said, why are we still talking about this girl? Once again proving the old adage that if you are press hungry enough, you will find a way to become a star for 15 minutes.
Ok, I have never felt sorry for her, but the moment where she realizes that "escort" and "prostitute" are the same thing is pretty sad. Like, you can see the (dim) lightbulb go on in her head when she realizes that even though she was making more money, what she was doing was not really different than a woman charging $15 for a BJ at a truck stop. Ouch.
Being paid for having sex is being a prostitute!! The only difference is the amount of money that you are paid....she is delusional to think otherwise. Or just stupid??
I don't understand why there is any interest in Ashley Dupree at all. I mean, if she had never become an 'escort' then Spitzer would have hired someone else. She is completely incidental to this scandal. The only interview that could possibly interest me would be someone posing the question to Spitzer, "What the fuck were you thinking?"
Also it's disingenuous to completely ignore Ashley's role in Silda's pain. Of course Eliot took/broke the vows. Of course Elliot willingly cheated and is to blame for the bulk of its consequences.
But to pretend an escort, or any one sleeping with a married man, has zero blame is oversimplification.
I think it's a similar tangential relationship, like a drug dealer and an overdose victim, or even an arms dealer taking no responsiblity for the acts of the terorists that use their guns. True these enablers may not be the ones doing the direct harm or the direct damage, but their is a moral responsiblilty when you know your actions could lead to another's harm and you exploit that relationship instead of taking action (to the extent that you are able)to prevent the harm.
In short: Elliot's shittiness does not negate the fact that Ashley is still an ASSHOLE.
@STICKSnSCONES: See, I think her moral responsiblity is to make sure she has protected sex, but beyond that she is not responsible for any emotional damage HIS CHOICES may cause others.
@SisterMaryMartha: IF she's telling the truth about not knowing who he was, why would she jump to any conclusions about who she might be hurting vicariously by sexing him? I can think she's an spoiled idiot AND think this circus reflects poorly on "journalists" at the same time.
@SarahMC: But even if she knew, I just don't think that prostitutes have to feel responsible for the emotions of other parties. I do think she is not overly bright, definitely spoiled and our news media is shat. They sought her out intentionally, cause this crap sells.
@STICKSnSCONES: sorry, I know this comes off kinda shitty but I think that while sleeping with a married man isn't like the nicest best thing to do (bad karma!), blame? no. No one has to cheat. If it wasn't her it'd be another woman. If the cheater wants to cheat he'll (or she'll) do it, no matter the woman (or man).
@SarahMC: I know. It is just that this whole topic pisses me off. I resent so many women blaming a prostitute for the john's actions. Furthermore to compare it to drug dealing and gun selling is gross.
@SisterMaryMartha: I don't blame her for her john's actions, I blame her for her own. When you help someone do a shitty thing, you've done a shitty thing.
Saying you're just doing your job, when your job is actually illegal, isn't much of a defense.
How is it a different argument than 'I didn't shoot that kid, I just sold the gun that shot the kid?'
@SisterMaryMartha: To me, there are 2 different situations. When the story first broke, I was firmly in the camp of "this is the husbands fault. He was responsible for his commitment to his wife. He broke the vows and should be accountable for it. Not Ashley." My issue with it now is that Ashley Dupre is now fully aware of the situation and has to assume that the renewed media attention will bring additional pain to Silda Spritzer and open up wounds that are still healing. I guess I just think she could be a little more compassionate and knock off the "poor me" interviews and discussing Silda with the media. Just a little bit of compassion for another woman who you know has been through a lot. And for the record, I see no correlation between this situation and guns or drugs!
@georgina: I mean, I just think that Silda shouldn't be a part of the conversation. I think interviews with Ashley now that she is free to speak, were inevitable. I don't really have a whole lot of compassion for her- it's just that I can't stand that people are blaming her for Spitzer's actions. IF it wasn't Ashley, it would have been someone else. She's being interviewed because America is obsessed with sex and the sex trade and LOVES a good slut shaming.
@STICKSnSCONES: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. It's a different kind of moral responsibility for sure, but if you are knowingly engaging in an activity that will hurt someone else, then you bear some culpability for their pain. Of course, that in on way absolves the man for his actions.
In the case of women who are forced into prostitution for whatever reason (addiction, trafficking etc), I am less comfortable assuming they should bear responsibility because they never chose to be engaging in that activity in the first place. But I think it's pretty clear Dupre is not one of those women.
@hortense: If I didn't live in California (or...Alaska) I'm not sure I could tell you what my governor looked like. I'm sure he used a fake name and I'm sure all middle aged white dudes ran together in her head after awhile in that line of work.
@peperony and chease: Yeah, I don't think I could recognize my governor if he wasn't on TV and I was told he was the governor. I doubt I would just recognize him if I saw him out.
I saw part of the interview today on Good Morning America while I was getting ready for work. She speaks very slowly. It kind of reminded me of that scene in Gia where she's all doped up, talking to the interviewer about how she doesn't do drugs anymore. There's really no reason for this woman to be on TV. She was just the hooker, who cares?
my question is who asked for all this to be brought up again? honestly, i think everybody had just about forgotten about this event, and ta-da! dupre conveniently shows up again in the public spotlight giving interviews to work it for more publicity. she could care less about anyone except herself. i think the only person she Is aware of is herself.
@msAnthrope: It came up in part, because it was announced last week that the final decision was that Spitzer would not face charges- which meant that SHE wouldn't face charges. Which in turn meant, every news outlet in the country was calling for an interview.
i tend to think her PR people got on the phone and called every news outlet in the country to get her some publicity out of it. really, the news about spitzer not facing charges was a news blip.
Perhaps someone can clear up for Ms. Dupre what 'escort' actually means?
Escort = a man or woman who is hired to accompany another person as a companion, especially to a social event or entertainment
She's trying to make herself sound like a goomah or somethin' and she ain't his 'girfriend' investing 'time' with him. She's meeting his arse at a hotel to do the nasty.....then spend time with his money.
She needs to simply dissapear, her opinion doesn't matter a bit, nor does her regret. The name Silda wouldn't even escape her slag lips if she had any respect whatsoever.....but whatevs, she's after her 15 minutes, right???
@BeckySharper: Yes, I agree. I mean, the slut shaming is gross but they'd have nothing if she wasn't suddenly sitting down for all these interviews. This girl clearly wants her 15 minutes and to ride this for all its worth. I don't have animus toward her but I certainly feel no sympathy.
@bluebears: The thing is, it isn't so SUDDEN- it is because last week the decision was made that Spitzer wouldn't be charged- and therefore neither would she- which led to her interviews.
@SisterMaryMartha: well ok. she still doesn't have to talk to a single soul about it. If this were some paparazzi ambushing her in the street it'd be one thing but its not.
Sorry but this is NOT another case of blame the woman. Homegirl is intentionally restarting the clock on her 15 minutes. Her motives are the same now as when she bangs rich men for money- self-promotion.
Having to answer uncomfortable questions about Silda is just a byproduct of journalists having NOTHING else to ask her since she is largely irrelevant (as a news item, not as a human being)and shouldn't be featured in the national news anyway.
@STICKSnSCONES: yeeeeeahhhhh... sort of. I mean, it's a two-way street. She restarts the clock, but the only reason she gets to restart the clock is because everybody loves a good slut-shaming.
I guess I just don't think her "agency" in this situation negates the fact that the interest in Dupre is driven by a culture that hates sex workers at the same time that it normalizes and glamourizes sex work. To get all grad school on ya.
@STICKSnSCONES: She's not holding a gun to the reporters' heads. If she's irrelevant (and she is) then why the fuck is every news outlet in America chomping at the bit to ask her the oh-so-hard hitting questions? It's unbelievable that they're putting this nonsense on tv, like she owes the country an apology for being such a bad girl. Barf.
@STICKSnSCONES: @SarahMC: I'm co-signing on what you both said. Ashley's just discovered a new way of whoring herself out. ABC is her pimp. I blame both parties.
@STICKSnSCONES: Exactly- while I recognize that Spitzer is the one who had an obligation to be faithful to his wife. Not Ashley. However, she has to realize she contributed to a situation that caused this woman a significant amunt of pain. How about you stop the "look at me" publicity tour and have a little compassion. And, no, saying you "feel connected" to Mrs. Spitzer is not compassion.
@georgina: she contributed to a situation that caused this woman a significant amunt of pain No. You just can't win that. She was doing a job- she is not responsible for anything or anyone in the john's life.
Also, there's no difference between prostitution and "escorting," and if this woman was really that damaged and had been drug-addled, etc etc.....I highly doubt she'd try to distinguish between the two.
@Archetype: I actually kind of see her point. If you are just turning tricks on the street it is a lot less involved than being an escort. I would wager that as an escort you are paid by the time you spend + what you are doing. Street prostitutes are paid by the "job" if you will.
I would guess escorting has a fair amount of "mind fuck" involved which street prostitution does not.
And I believe 22 was the age where I decided that I was only going to listen to NPR, throw away my slutty club clothes, and start reading "The Economist" instead of "USA Today" and stop getting all of my music recommendations from Pitchfork.
I'm just baffled by her self centeredness and complete lack of curiousity about the part of the world that can't be bought and worn as a status symbol.
@Mkp-hearts-nyc: Yes, it's the part of the world where sometimes you go to weird performance art exhibits and eat weird foods just because you've never done it before and you think that it might be interesting.
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That being said, why are we still talking about this girl? Once again proving the old adage that if you are press hungry enough, you will find a way to become a star for 15 minutes.
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Of course Eliot took/broke the vows. Of course Elliot willingly cheated and is to blame for the bulk of its consequences.
But to pretend an escort, or any one sleeping with a married man, has zero blame is oversimplification.
I think it's a similar tangential relationship, like a drug dealer and an overdose victim, or even an arms dealer taking no responsiblity for the acts of the terorists that use their guns. True these enablers may not be the ones doing the direct harm or the direct damage, but their is a moral responsiblilty when you know your actions could lead to another's harm and you exploit that relationship instead of taking action (to the extent that you are able)to prevent the harm.
In short: Elliot's shittiness does not negate the fact that Ashley is still an ASSHOLE.
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I can think she's an spoiled idiot AND think this circus reflects poorly on "journalists" at the same time.
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Saying you're just doing your job, when your job is actually illegal, isn't much of a defense.
How is it a different argument than 'I didn't shoot that kid, I just sold the gun that shot the kid?'
They are both culpable, just in varying degrees.
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My issue with it now is that Ashley Dupre is now fully aware of the situation and has to assume that the renewed media attention will bring additional pain to Silda Spritzer and open up wounds that are still healing. I guess I just think she could be a little more compassionate and knock off the "poor me" interviews and discussing Silda with the media. Just a little bit of compassion for another woman who you know has been through a lot.
And for the record, I see no correlation between this situation and guns or drugs!
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In the case of women who are forced into prostitution for whatever reason (addiction, trafficking etc), I am less comfortable assuming they should bear responsibility because they never chose to be engaging in that activity in the first place. But I think it's pretty clear Dupre is not one of those women.
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i tend to think her PR people got on the phone and called every news outlet in the country to get her some publicity out of it. really, the news about spitzer not facing charges was a news blip.
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Escort = a man or woman who is hired to accompany another person as a companion, especially to a social event or entertainment
She's trying to make herself sound like a goomah or somethin' and she ain't his 'girfriend' investing 'time' with him. She's meeting his arse at a hotel to do the nasty.....then spend time with his money.
She needs to simply dissapear, her opinion doesn't matter a bit, nor does her regret. The name Silda wouldn't even escape her slag lips if she had any respect whatsoever.....but whatevs, she's after her 15 minutes, right???
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Ashley, if you want to redeem yourself, shut the fuck up, go to college and get a job like a normal person.
This is just whoring of a different type. I have no sympathy.
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Having to answer uncomfortable questions about Silda is just a byproduct of journalists having NOTHING else to ask her since she is largely irrelevant (as a news item, not as a human being)and shouldn't be featured in the national news anyway.
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I guess I just don't think her "agency" in this situation negates the fact that the interest in Dupre is driven by a culture that hates sex workers at the same time that it normalizes and glamourizes sex work. To get all grad school on ya.
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No. You just can't win that. She was doing a job- she is not responsible for anything or anyone in the john's life.
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Our society loves a sex scandal. Period.
If she had been a male escort, interest in the story would still exist so it's not solely about our discomfort with a woman's sexuality.
Not saying slut-shaming isn't a problem, just saying it's not at the root of Ashley's appeal.
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I would guess escorting has a fair amount of "mind fuck" involved which street prostitution does not.
Just my take on it...
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I'm just baffled by her self centeredness and complete lack of curiousity about the part of the world that can't be bought and worn as a status symbol.
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