Great. Kids use google images in school to find pictures of presidents and first ladies for their school projects. Now, I had never heard of the money, black people thing until I was about 16 and knew right from wrong. Now, across the country, hundreds of thousands of school children are being indoctrinated into a metaphor that was on its way out.
@ms.fortune: Typical...the neocons who started this "prank" (I use that term loosely because pranks are typically harmless) would've called treason if this amount of disrespect was shown towards the Bush family. What a shame.
It amazes me how many people rely on Google both personally and professionally (running searches on everything from health concerns to stats they need for work presentations) yet don't have the foggiest idea how it, or the internet at large, works. I used to have to remind my ex-fiance constantly that anyone can put anything on any topic online. Although he had a graduate degree, he treated everything he read on blogs and Wikipedia as gospel truth. This is just careless.
The Internet is made up of people. Some people don't agree with us. Some of those people even think Michelle Obama is a monkey. Those people are fucking morons, but they do exist.
The solution to this problem isn't censorship. The solution is never censorship.
@emona: I love freedom of speech because it gives people the freedom to show exactly who they are and what they believe. It saves me a lot of time picking out the asshats & the awesome people.
@emona: Okay, one more time for those who skipped class.
The concept of censorship applies to abridgement of free speech. The only entity that can abridge free speech pursuant to the First Amendment is the U.S. government.
If Google pulls the picture, that is not censorship. They are a corporate entity, not a governmental one. The only way such an action would be tantamount to censorship, even allegedly, is if they were found to have done so at the affirmative behest of the government. And even that action is permitted if it's determined to have constituted a compelling state interest.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: I'd argue there are many concepts of censorship. For example, religious censorship, moral censorship and yes, even corporate and media censorship are all forms of of censorship.
It is not specific only to the government. You honestly think censorship only applies to the government, and then only to the US government, and then only to the First Amendment of our Bill of Rights? No. That's absurd.
I didn't have to look it up. I already know the facts.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Cute. However, the actual definition of censorship/censor doesn't mention government at all. I hope your "professionals" will forgive me for properly using the word.
@chatterboxwriting: Me neither. The collective voice of the internet must have spoken b/c both google and google images brings up normal pics for me too.
As much as I hate it, I have to say that I think Google is taking the right approach. They can't lose the appearance of neutrality and I think they are trusting and hoping that someone out there in hacker land will take care of this.
I understand where they are coming from. I hesitate to use Bing because it is owned by Microsoft and I don't trust the neutrality of the results. I don't like the idea of a huge corporation controlling that quantity of information.
This entire thing saddens me so deeply, though. I was so excited when Obama was elected and I knew that some ugliness was going to be dredged up, but I never imagined it would be as bad as it has been. I guess I was more of an optimist than I realized and as a member of the Board of Directors of the Pessimist Squad, that's saying something.
@vulcanized: Agreed. I don't see how they can remove it without compromising the ethics of reliable and neutral search engines. If they remove this, what is next? (Obviously I hate that it happened, of course...it's awful.)
@vulcanized: The thing that bothers me is that allowing racist shit to be google-bombed into top ratings isn't actually "neutral." It's more like, "We allow racist images and the racist bigots who love them to fuck with our algorithms."
There really isn't such thing as a neutral position.
@Cimorene: I guess it's as neutral as it can be. Plenty of liberal jokes have Google-bombed their way to the top without intervention from Google (Santorum, as others have mentioned, the "miserable failure" bomb, etc), so to let these go and jump on this one would suggest a bias. It's a sad day when speaking out against racism makes you biased, but I guess that's where we are. Either Google has to figure out a way to keep everybody from Google bombing or they have to let shit like this slide. The problem isn't racism per se, it's any censoring of any information because the people at Google don't like it (no matter how justified their dislike may be).
@vulcanized: Nah, it's not as ugly as I feared. But then again my worst fear was Obama not surviving to serve his full term, so a) I have a higher (or lower?) bar for awfulness, and b) I still have my fingers crossed.
@DevilsLawyer: I didn't have that fear before he was elected, but I've since developed it. Once people started bringing guns to town halls, it suddenly seemed like a very real possibility.
i am torn between rage and tears right now. michelle obama in my eyes is such an admirable public figure - i just really don't get it. she's not the president, she doesn't implement any policies people can be for or against, and she's clearly a supportive wife and mother which is what the far right is allegedly seeking to uphold in our society.
even worse to me is the fact that this family has only been in the white house for less than a year. we had 8 years with george w. bush and yes, he got slammed a lot but usually for justifiable reasons. how on earth would you justifty "satirizing" (ugh, this is not even close to that but i'm sure that's how it's argued) the first wife within her first few months in the public eye? what has she done to deserve this?
losing my faith in humanity is not helping me stay concise or coherent, i'm sure.
i'm going to go peruse michelle obama style to try to balance out this bullshit.
@awinoforever: What has she done? Duh, don't you KNOW? She's committed the unforgivable crime of being black, and a black woman at that, AND a successful, happy, black woman with a wonderful life that makes socially conservative/racist jerkwads green with envy and hate. Know your social crimes and you won't be confused.
@hedonisticme: The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex! Is it sad or awesome that I know that definition by heart?
I was in the middle of writing a comment about how I think Google's response is perfectly appropriate and adequate. However, as a white woman from a predominantly white, middle class suburb, I realize that, while I find racism abhorrent and do my best to be aware of even "casual" racism, I have am of course less sensitive to it than someone who has been the victim of race-based discrimination or violence.
I tried to come up with an example of something equivalent that I am sensitive to. I tried to imagine what it would feel like if I typed "rape survivor" into google and, instead of support groups, the first hits were "Why raping women is fun fun fun male bonding activity!" or "Those dumb sluts were asking for it!" Or what if I typed in "woman" and the first result was "bitches should stay in the kitchen." And if this were the case and Google simply wrote a disclaimer "Google does not agree with this statement," I'm not entirely sure how I would feel. I would be relieved that Google felt it necessary to put the disclaimer, but I'm not sure if that would feel adequate to me. This is because misogyny feels like a THREAT to me. Racism is more... abstract, because it's not something I live with every day. But there are many, many others who do live with it every day, and to them a picture of a monkey with earrings is more than just offensive. It is a clear statement: "yeah, there may be one of 'yours' in the white house, but you better watch your back. You are still not safe here."
Sorry this is so long, but I guess I'm just trying to say that I feel... ambivalent about Google's response. I don't know if that can or should do anything beyond the disclaimer, but the more I think about it, the less satisfied I am.
@Oleander: I agree wholeheartedly, and I'd like to add that it's not just that this is a Google search and a decision by Google. It is the result of a concerted effort of a substantial (we can assume, based on the results) group of people to promote racism. So the idea that a lot of people were willing to put this much work into making this statement is as terrifying as the statement itself.
Oh my God, I did the search and was so surprised and grossed out by the picture that I instinctively closed the browser within a split second. At least I have another example to cite when my Republican family members roll their eyes at the idea of racism against the Obamas.
@rodmanstreet: I did the same thing! It was worse than I had imagined....
And what you mentioned at the end, do they believe there is actually no racism against them?
@hedonisticme: They sort of act like calling out racism is a cop out, like, "Oh, these people just call racism on everything, get over it. Stop using the race card."
@rodmanstreet: You may want to flip the Aristotelian logicspeak on them ad use the obverse. Racism is everywhere in a racist society, as it's foundational at bottom to many property ownership theorems supporting the "manifest destiny" and related colonialist philosophies.
It's just because it doesn't hurt them deliberately that they don't see it.
(It's one of those "if and only if" statements that I don't know the formal logical lexicon for. I was so intimidated by my TA that I didn't do well in that class. I kick myself frequently as a result.)
Seems like it's high time to harness the anarchic powers of 4chan in service of undoing this travesty. Surely someone creative can do something evil to the Free Republic site...not that I'm condoning this, mind you. I would never suggest anyone do something illegal. Just something, er, diabolical.
@HelloTitty: Ugh, I hadn't thought about that. I would have expected 4chan to be less ideological, you know? I fully thought this was the work of some freeper. It has the hallmarks of a joke a frat guy thought was hilarious.
@willwriteforfood: On 4chan nothing is sacred, nothing is off limits. It's all "for the lulz".
lulz is the first thing that comes to mind when I think about misogyny and racism.
@thrombus: It's too bad their sense of lulz can't be channeled into something more productive. Like blinging out Sarah Palin's image or turning her book cover into a dead moose. But I guess we have Wonkette for that.
Racists are no good at coming up with new jokes. Witnessing them trying to make a joke about a member of a minority race with jabs that have been used millions of times over hundreds of years is about as interesting as watching an episode of Two And A Half Men.
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Their blog is:
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The post is:
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The link to report a blog is here:
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NOTE: GOING TO THE POST WILL INCREASE ITS RANKING IN GOOGLE.
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The solution to this problem isn't censorship. The solution is never censorship.
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The concept of censorship applies to abridgement of free speech. The only entity that can abridge free speech pursuant to the First Amendment is the U.S. government.
If Google pulls the picture, that is not censorship. They are a corporate entity, not a governmental one. The only way such an action would be tantamount to censorship, even allegedly, is if they were found to have done so at the affirmative behest of the government. And even that action is permitted if it's determined to have constituted a compelling state interest.
You don't have to believe me. You can look it up.
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It is not specific only to the government. You honestly think censorship only applies to the government, and then only to the US government, and then only to the First Amendment of our Bill of Rights? No. That's absurd.
I didn't have to look it up. I already know the facts.
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I was using the definition that, you know, professionals use. Your definition appears to be a bit more broad.
*eyeroll*
I have a few things to do other than argue about it this morning, though. Have a nice day.
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I understand where they are coming from. I hesitate to use Bing because it is owned by Microsoft and I don't trust the neutrality of the results. I don't like the idea of a huge corporation controlling that quantity of information.
This entire thing saddens me so deeply, though. I was so excited when Obama was elected and I knew that some ugliness was going to be dredged up, but I never imagined it would be as bad as it has been. I guess I was more of an optimist than I realized and as a member of the Board of Directors of the Pessimist Squad, that's saying something.
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There really isn't such thing as a neutral position.
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even worse to me is the fact that this family has only been in the white house for less than a year. we had 8 years with george w. bush and yes, he got slammed a lot but usually for justifiable reasons. how on earth would you justifty "satirizing" (ugh, this is not even close to that but i'm sure that's how it's argued) the first wife within her first few months in the public eye? what has she done to deserve this?
losing my faith in humanity is not helping me stay concise or coherent, i'm sure.
i'm going to go peruse michelle obama style to try to balance out this bullshit.
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Am I out of the loop I've never heard this word before
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I tried to come up with an example of something equivalent that I am sensitive to. I tried to imagine what it would feel like if I typed "rape survivor" into google and, instead of support groups, the first hits were "Why raping women is fun fun fun male bonding activity!" or "Those dumb sluts were asking for it!" Or what if I typed in "woman" and the first result was "bitches should stay in the kitchen." And if this were the case and Google simply wrote a disclaimer "Google does not agree with this statement," I'm not entirely sure how I would feel. I would be relieved that Google felt it necessary to put the disclaimer, but I'm not sure if that would feel adequate to me. This is because misogyny feels like a THREAT to me. Racism is more... abstract, because it's not something I live with every day. But there are many, many others who do live with it every day, and to them a picture of a monkey with earrings is more than just offensive. It is a clear statement: "yeah, there may be one of 'yours' in the white house, but you better watch your back. You are still not safe here."
Sorry this is so long, but I guess I'm just trying to say that I feel... ambivalent about Google's response. I don't know if that can or should do anything beyond the disclaimer, but the more I think about it, the less satisfied I am.
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And what you mentioned at the end, do they believe there is actually no racism against them?
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It's just because it doesn't hurt them deliberately that they don't see it.
(It's one of those "if and only if" statements that I don't know the formal logical lexicon for. I was so intimidated by my TA that I didn't do well in that class. I kick myself frequently as a result.)
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#tips
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lulz is the first thing that comes to mind when I think about misogyny and racism.
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