This may have been commented on elsewhere, but how could he possibly miss the fact that the reason the average age of gay marriages in British Columbia is older is that gay marriage just became legal there? Maybe middle-age people are getting married now because they couldn't get married when they were younger.
Megan, i tell you, it warms my heart to know we have uber smart people like you on the side of right. you have posted some AMAZING takedown lately. I applaud.
also, i agree with the commenter who said her vagina sealed itself off in horror that people even exist who think like this. it baffles me that in 2009 any major publication would post something like this. how is this kind of thinking not utterly fringe yet?
alas, these are all just the last gasps. we're entering the Obama decade (2010-2020 is gonna be mad tight) and the decade of a huge march forward for progressive values and shit like this is just gonna sound crazier and crazier and be more and more desperate.
This brand of slick, smarmy rhetoric that we see from Mr. Schulman manages to nauseate and anger me even more than blatant homophobia. It manages to be, in my mind, lower and baser because it's the same dog vomit but repackaged with big, prosy sentences to attempt to fool the reader into thinking it has some sort of intellectual or ethical merit.
Sorry, Sam, seeing right through you. It's still dog vomit. You're full of shit and you must think none of us have ever heard of the concept of silk purse/sow's ear. Pathetic fucker.
It is as if this guy stopped studying about the same time "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" was published.
Why This article sucks ass:
1. I did not appreciate the luxury of my virginity giving it away in a basement at 16 while "Just Like Heaven" played in the background. I did not tell my parents who were supposedly guarding me for my future husband. They thought I went to the movies.
2. I can't have children. Thus, I have no reason for being. I am an empty and worthless vessel. Perhaps, if we applied economic efficiency, I was meant to be a prostitute.
3. Impermissable relationships have nothing to do with incest. Impermissable= my best friend's ex or brothers. Nasty!Gack!Holy Crap that is some sick shit!= incest, animals, and the icky gutterminds of Christian conservatives.
4. Regardless of items 1-3, I still will not molest any animals.
5. Bill's daughter probably won't marry Tommy because, hopefully, she has the good taste not to date her Dad's sloppy seconds.
6. The whole licit/illicit argument makes not a jot of sense. The dangers of illicit sex (unintended transfer of body fluids leading to pregnancy or std's, destroying your future happpiness and financial security with divorce/break-up, etc., or hurting and disappointing your loved ones- I'm sure there are a lot more) are the same regardless of the party's gender.
7. I am 36 - if I have unmarried sex, my loved ones would cheer. There is no societal disapproval. If there were, I'd still do it and lie about it.
8. I would prefer a relationship with a mother-in-law to be based upon liking rather than puppeteering. Go figure.
9. The strength of a marriage and relationship has to do with the character and integrity of both parties. WITHOUT REGARD TO GENDER!
"protection of females from rape, degradation, and concubinage"
Last time I checked hetero marriage didn't install a bullet-proof wall about a woman, install earplugs and remove her ego, or stop anyone from engaging in dominant behavior. In fact, by saying that women shoudl subjugate to their husbands, the author has just created the above, which he claims is prevented.
And now I shall go drink a lot of wine and try to get this out of my head before I explode.
I actually agree with his assessment of how marriage originated and how it was traditionally used. But I cannot understand why he thinks that the institution is and should be static. That conception of marriage has been fucked up since it originated, and tradition is no excuse for atrocity.
I think an enormous success of feminism has been redefining marriage and showing that, while families might be the bedrock of society, the world will not collapse if we allow people to define family for themselves. Yet even with this redefinition, I, like Megan, still have major reservations about the institution. Thankfully it doesn't look like I'll have the option to marry anytime soon.
@Ms. Nickels: It suits his stupid argument to pretend like wives are still chattel and all that. He is being deliberately obtuse. The idea that the gays are being savvy for picking the romantic notion of marriage... Hell, I chose the romantic notion of marriage. My parents didn't have a dowry for me and I only have a first cousin- which is illegal so we couldn't keep the family wealth concentrated.
There is a whole lot of anthropological terms in this man's article, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he knows not what anyone of them mean. Incest prohibition for your parent's ex partner from before the child was even born? I've never heard of that one before...
The more this debacle unfolds, the less and less I'm sure I want to get married. I like the idea of a wedding ceremony, but 1) I'm not incredibly religious, and 2)I'd be perfectly content to live in sin for the rest of my life ala Susan Sarandon.
Especially since so many of my friends are being denied to right to marry.
i imagine Mr. Shulman and Mr. Cockbib are old chums. these two are making their stand against a world full of dog-fucking and saliva soaked balls! a round of applause for these brave and honorable men!
I think it is the most absurd thing that fundies try to argue that same sex marriage is a bad thing for the institution. Heterosexual weddings are so often, these days, about giving off the right impression, pleasing family, etc, etc. Watching two people fight prejudice and the law because they love each other makes me believe in love, and hope that some day I actually care about someone else that much.
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This wiminz is gonna come cut off your balls, you backwards asshole.
05/27/09
also, i agree with the commenter who said her vagina sealed itself off in horror that people even exist who think like this. it baffles me that in 2009 any major publication would post something like this. how is this kind of thinking not utterly fringe yet?
alas, these are all just the last gasps. we're entering the Obama decade (2010-2020 is gonna be mad tight) and the decade of a huge march forward for progressive values and shit like this is just gonna sound crazier and crazier and be more and more desperate.
05/27/09
Sorry, Sam, seeing right through you. It's still dog vomit. You're full of shit and you must think none of us have ever heard of the concept of silk purse/sow's ear. Pathetic fucker.
05/27/09
Why This article sucks ass:
1. I did not appreciate the luxury of my virginity giving it away in a basement at 16 while "Just Like Heaven" played in the background. I did not tell my parents who were supposedly guarding me for my future husband. They thought I went to the movies.
2. I can't have children. Thus, I have no reason for being. I am an empty and worthless vessel. Perhaps, if we applied economic efficiency, I was meant to be a prostitute.
3. Impermissable relationships have nothing to do with incest. Impermissable= my best friend's ex or brothers. Nasty!Gack!Holy Crap that is some sick shit!= incest, animals, and the icky gutterminds of Christian conservatives.
4. Regardless of items 1-3, I still will not molest any animals.
5. Bill's daughter probably won't marry Tommy because, hopefully, she has the good taste not to date her Dad's sloppy seconds.
6. The whole licit/illicit argument makes not a jot of sense. The dangers of illicit sex (unintended transfer of body fluids leading to pregnancy or std's, destroying your future happpiness and financial security with divorce/break-up, etc., or hurting and disappointing your loved ones- I'm sure there are a lot more) are the same regardless of the party's gender.
7. I am 36 - if I have unmarried sex, my loved ones would cheer. There is no societal disapproval. If there were, I'd still do it and lie about it.
8. I would prefer a relationship with a mother-in-law to be based upon liking rather than puppeteering. Go figure.
9. The strength of a marriage and relationship has to do with the character and integrity of both parties. WITHOUT REGARD TO GENDER!
05/27/09
Last time I checked hetero marriage didn't install a bullet-proof wall about a woman, install earplugs and remove her ego, or stop anyone from engaging in dominant behavior. In fact, by saying that women shoudl subjugate to their husbands, the author has just created the above, which he claims is prevented.
And now I shall go drink a lot of wine and try to get this out of my head before I explode.
05/27/09
I think an enormous success of feminism has been redefining marriage and showing that, while families might be the bedrock of society, the world will not collapse if we allow people to define family for themselves. Yet even with this redefinition, I, like Megan, still have major reservations about the institution. Thankfully it doesn't look like I'll have the option to marry anytime soon.
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Especially since so many of my friends are being denied to right to marry.
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