I went with my mother to Hooters years ago when we were driving home together from college. We'd stopped at two other restaurants, and the wait was longer than we'd hoped. I suggested Hooters, having had the curly fries (yum!).
Mom was initially embarrassed as we walked in, but the waitresses were all terribly kind to her. (She's a cute, little Southern lady.) Once she was diving into her own curly fries, she said loudly, "Well I just don't know what the big deal is! I see people wearing less than this at the beach. And these are the nicest waitresses I've ever had."
@Failsafe: For some reason, I never realized Hooters was a restauraunt. Now that I know about thier curly fries, I'll be sure to stop by and support the misogyny! #hooters
The only story I have about Hooters is in college, my guy friends and their new frat buddies invited me along on a Hooter's excursion. I don't know if my high school chums needed a buffer, or if they thought a girl along would make them seem more sensitive and therefore more boneable- but I went for the hot wings. After being ashamed at the awful way they treated the waitress, and chewing them out as pigs accordingly, one of the frattiest of the brothers asked for the waitresses number, she very calmly said no, but the chick at the table is pretty hot and if he could get my number for her, that would just be swell. Yay lesbian Hooter girls! Yay frat shutdown! #hooters
This dad just wanted to go to Hooters. He doesn't get it at all.
Explaining objectification to an 11 year old is going to be a struggle no matter what He doesn't have the background in gender relations or the higher level thinking to understand. It doesn't mean he has no experience with objectification.
They didn't have to go to Hooters to have this discussion, so it can't be used to excuse the trip. #hooters
Didn't Homer try to do this with Bart? He took him to see Princess Jasmine perform at the (I'm drawing a blank) Club in order to see that behind the "curves that drive men insane" there lives a person with feelings. #hooters
Hooters is not the only restaurant where women are objectified it's only the most upfront about it. Anyone who has worked in service of any kind knows if you wear a low cut top and flirt or if you just have large breasts and are pretty you will receive better tips from men that if you are not. It's f-ed up but it's true. #hooters
"the well-intentioned dads saw the outing as a way to demystify sex to see how the boys conducted themselves around women"
Hooters cannot demystify sex though because there is nothing about that place that reflects an actual human sexual relationship. You're exchanging money for the ability to look at women's bodies, that is not sex. In fact, that is the very definition of objectification.
Well-intentioned, perhaps, but WAY off base. #hooters
@teenypanini09: You have obviously never been a waitress. Better looking = better tips, unless the bill is being paid by someone's jealous wife/girlfriend/etc. Even when it doesn't involve intentional flirting, there's that subconcious "pretty=good" going on in the customer's brain. #hooters
@teenypanini09: if hooters waitresses were only there to take care of the food, there would be no reason for them to wear such ridiculous outfits..
the whole POINT of hooters is to be served by women with low cut tops and hot shorts. they're encouraged to flirt with the patrons as a part of "good service." its not a value judgement, (i think there are much worse things that happen to women than a dehumanizing job that probably pays well) but its the truth that you just cant get around. hooters entire reason for existing is based around the objectification of its waitresses. and despite what they say, their wings suck. #hooters
@FrankiTheB: i know that better looking waiters/waitresses get better tips, but that happens at every restaurant - not just hooters. and it works for both goodlooking male and female servers.
still, the primary reason for tipping is for service. whether the waiter be unattractive or attractive, if the service is good, then i tip higher. #hooters
I've never had a meal at Hooters, but I've taken a short-cut through one once when I was in NY. To me it seemed pretty seedy - the smell of bad food, nasty decor and women wearing tights that looked incredibly uncomfortable. Granted, they had much more boobage than I could ever dream of having without a gazillion $$ worth of surgery. It was still not a place I would ever consider having a meal with friends. Taking your 11 year old son? No way. #hooters
I'm getting a little cognitive dissonance from Elston. He says of his son, "I don't think that he grows up in the kind of world where he sees women being objectified." Later, when asked where he would take his daughter that would be an equivalent experience to his son's at Hooter's, he admits that no such place exists. If women's bodies are on display in a servile capacity in a national chain restaurant, and men's aren't, then yes, your son is growing up a in world where women are objectified.
It's weird, as an older second-wave feminist I am often mistaken in believing that certain things are universally understood to be ipso facto sexist, such as a business model that involves women putting themselves on sexual display and serving food in exchange for money. That just doesn't seem like a discussion we still need to be having, yet on and on it goes, even in nominally liberal outlets like NPR. It seems like Elston had good intentions and is an intelligent man -- that's what makes it so disappointing that he thought this was the right way to teach his son about sex. If he came across like an ignoramus I would be less dismayed. #hooters
@cirocco: If women's bodies are on display in a servile capacity in a national chain restaurant, and men's aren't, then yes, your son is growing up a in world where women are objectified.
BINGO.
i understand what the dad was trying to do, but there are far better ways to demystify sexuality and objectification than by going to hooters for wings. even i was creeped out going there as an adult with two guy pals (they were the only place around that had all the nfl games and they were fantasy football crazy)...not just because the wings sucked, but it's very difficult to avoid the vibe. #hooters
@cirocco: Well, one of the commenters (Vince from Hollywood) on the NPR site had a great suggestion. Take your sons to Hooters so they can learn about women (hotness, service & boobz), and take your daughters to a golf course, so they can see many tall, tanned, older, powerful rich men. Yeah. So this would be why taking your sons to Hooters to learn about women seems problematic. #hooters
@CharlotteT: Is there a family restaurant called Chippendale's where scantily-clad men ask female customers to "reach into the Bucket of Fun?" There's really no comparison. Even Chippendale's nightclubs ceased to exist years ago, although the brand still limps on as a touring nightclub act. They're a relic of the 1980s and have not made serious bank in years--similar to the way "Playgirl" is no longer on newsstands but Hugh Hefner's empire marches on. #hooters
@cirocco: My friends and I came up with an idea for this very concept: a restaurant, akin to Hooter's, called Bulges. The servers are hot men decked out in Speedos, their bulges on full display. I'd eat there, wings or no wings. #hooters
When I was a senior in high school, some friends and I would go to a specific Hooters (at an outdoor mall in Atlanta where a late night music show was taped for public tv that managed to serve LOTS of underaged drinkers, ahem.) and we would hang out, eat wings, drink sweet tea, and talk to the waitresses. We're 3 teenage girls, mind you. I think it was part curiosity, then once the whole thing was demystified, it didn't seem so lewd. Yeah, you had pretty girls wearing way too much makeup and stuffed into shiny tights and orange shorts, but those girls were people. Looking back, I'm sure there were plenty of ogling men, but no one acted inappropriately, we saw TONS of kids on the regular, and if anything, it actually showed me how uncomfortable being dressed up and "sexy" could be. I also have the perspective of having been in the ACTUAL sex industry, as a stripper, in my 20's, and the whole Hooter's memory just pales in comparison to the objectification that happens in strip clubs. Girls at Hooters aren't usually pretending to be someone they are not to make money. They are pretty girls serving food to yes, some people who like to look at pretty girls. But in a strip club there's way less interaction emotionally. Girls use false names, to preserve some sense of themselves, and for safety. Usually, the men rarely speak to these women. When they do, they expect a certain version of woman, one who is sex crazy and immediately available to their needs. Of course, I have to qualify all that by saying that every strip club is different, and I'm not saying strip clubs are bad places. I like them, too. I guess I'm just trying to say that it's obvious that sex is for sale at a strip club, and Hooters is definitely NOT that kind of place. #hooters
How timely... My boss was just talking about Hooters today. He elbowed a female coworker and said that we needed to get a Hooter's girl to do the training video for some test equipment. She came up to me afterwards and was like, "Umm was he implying that I should dress up like a hooter's girl to do the training?"
I told her that I had no idea, but anything is possible from a man who butted in when someone asked me to "go to town" fixing their computer butted in "Don't tell her to go to town! When women go to town they spend all our money!"
I cannot believe people like this exist and still have jobs in management. #hooters
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Mom was initially embarrassed as we walked in, but the waitresses were all terribly kind to her. (She's a cute, little Southern lady.) Once she was diving into her own curly fries, she said loudly, "Well I just don't know what the big deal is! I see people wearing less than this at the beach. And these are the nicest waitresses I've ever had."
Hooters Fan for Life. #hooters
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It only embarrassed them once, when he was about 8, and announced in front of their pastor "After church, we're going to Hooters!"
So, I guess my point is that at least for him, it is a family restaurant. #hooters
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Explaining objectification to an 11 year old is going to be a struggle no matter what He doesn't have the background in gender relations or the higher level thinking to understand. It doesn't mean he has no experience with objectification.
They didn't have to go to Hooters to have this discussion, so it can't be used to excuse the trip. #hooters
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Oh, I didn't realize that he grew up on a desert island, raised by wolves. #hooters
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Hooters cannot demystify sex though because there is nothing about that place that reflects an actual human sexual relationship. You're exchanging money for the ability to look at women's bodies, that is not sex. In fact, that is the very definition of objectification.
Well-intentioned, perhaps, but WAY off base. #hooters
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hooters is a restaurant. #hooters
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the whole POINT of hooters is to be served by women with low cut tops and hot shorts. they're encouraged to flirt with the patrons as a part of "good service." its not a value judgement, (i think there are much worse things that happen to women than a dehumanizing job that probably pays well) but its the truth that you just cant get around. hooters entire reason for existing is based around the objectification of its waitresses. and despite what they say, their wings suck. #hooters
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still, the primary reason for tipping is for service. whether the waiter be unattractive or attractive, if the service is good, then i tip higher. #hooters
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It's weird, as an older second-wave feminist I am often mistaken in believing that certain things are universally understood to be ipso facto sexist, such as a business model that involves women putting themselves on sexual display and serving food in exchange for money. That just doesn't seem like a discussion we still need to be having, yet on and on it goes, even in nominally liberal outlets like NPR. It seems like Elston had good intentions and is an intelligent man -- that's what makes it so disappointing that he thought this was the right way to teach his son about sex. If he came across like an ignoramus I would be less dismayed. #hooters
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BINGO.
i understand what the dad was trying to do, but there are far better ways to demystify sexuality and objectification than by going to hooters for wings. even i was creeped out going there as an adult with two guy pals (they were the only place around that had all the nfl games and they were fantasy football crazy)...not just because the wings sucked, but it's very difficult to avoid the vibe. #hooters
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I told her that I had no idea, but anything is possible from a man who butted in when someone asked me to "go to town" fixing their computer butted in "Don't tell her to go to town! When women go to town they spend all our money!"
I cannot believe people like this exist and still have jobs in management. #hooters