I can see where the criticism on Oprah is coming from, but I have to think that all the riches in the world can not take away the suffering she once went through as a young girl. She was sexually assaulted, pregnant and poor before age 16. I believe her quote is really expressing her own issues, that she now looks past the people that she once was, and thats a hard realization some times.
"I really wanted to show a young woman who changes her life without falling in love and without getting married," Sapphire told me, "and without plastic surgery or a physical change."
YES! I loathe movies where the female character's life changes for the better/improves mainly because she falls in love, gets married, loses weight, transforms into a beautiful swan. Basically these women have conformed to some societal ideal (be it beauty/relationship standards) and now they deserve to be happy.
In terms of our pop culture (music, books, songs), I'd have to think have to think hard to come up with these kinds of example. I really love this message.
Only tangentially related, but I had a dream last night that I became friends with Gaby Sidibe and we went to this awesome park and ate popsicles (it was summertime) and hung out all day together. She was delightful, and I was sorry to wake up.
I doubt Precious will come to any theaters less than two hours from me, because where I live sucks. But I'm really torn about seeing it, regardless. I just don't know if I can put myself through that. I feel like it's something I ought to do as a self-improvement exercise (I haven't been made to feel that way, I just do) kind of like An Inconvenient Truth. Which I haven't seen yet either, which I feel like makes me a Bad Liberal.
I disagree on a fundamental level with the Washington Post review but I understand how he got to that position.
It does bother me that people that, to date, haven't given a shit about girls like Precious SUDDENLY are so sympathetic to their plight. People who have never volunteered, people who have argued against their taxes going to welfare, people who are against a public option for health care, people who argue a difference between rape and "rape-rape", people who make fun of the obese are suddenly appalled by the situation Precious is in. Fuck you, you are a part of the problem. You helped create this rape culture that makes it difficult for women to speak out. You don't want women like Precious to have access to good health care. You don't get to protest the building of a half-way house in your neighborhood and then claim to be moved by Precious' plight.
I think that a lot of people of all races are using their movie ticket as a badge to prove they care, and that is bullshit, but it's a problem with the viewers, not the film.
@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: You are very right and the sad thing is after awards season these same young girls/women will be ignored again.
@dcetstyle: It really pisses me off. Going to see the film is not a bragging right. You see it because you want to, not because you are so progressive.
I think that all of the controversy surrounding this film boils down to the limited representation of Black stories in the film world today. Because there is such a lack of movies that tell the stories of Black people (particularly Black girls) people have to treat Precious as The Defining Black Girl Story. So then people are offended that The Defining Black Girl Story is one of poverty and abuse. Or they are put off because it's not as realistic about the poverty and abuse that some Black Girls face. If it was a different story about a middle class Black girl with loving parents, people might complain that it is dishonest about the poverty and abuse that some Black girls face. I think the lesson is that we need more stories, because one movie cannot possibly represent everyone's experience and we should stop expecting it to do so.
@SarsDoesntSave: Thanks. You raise a good point in your post above too. Even if there was wider representation of Black girls' stories in film, would they all appeal to White audiences as much as this one? In other words, if Precious was about that middle class girl in the suburbs with two loving parents, would White people still want to see it? I think that is very valid question that probably has a very troubling answer.
@Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd): I think you have a good point...and it makes me realize that much of my distress actually has less to do with the film and more to do with what the reaction to the film says about our culture.
(I have not seen the movie or read the book so take this with a grain of salt) I can def. see Sadaa's point but isn't it better to shine some light into this little talked about area of society, so long as it doesn't do more harm than good (ie. perpetuate harmful stereotypes or make people into cartoons)? I also have seen (although am FAR from an expert on) how poorer people, particularly women, particularly women of color are sort of lost at sea and no one will throw them a life saver. or if the do its a super shitty one that will barely keep them afloat. But I still think we have to start somewhere, because for the most part these stories just go untold period.
I haven't seen the movie yet. Even though I've heard it is amazing, I have to gear myself up to see it. So I may not have the most accurate perceptions.
But these criticisms are ringing false to me. Milloy's argument is that black people with horrific lives make white people feel better. I'm sure there are people who see the character as other, but tragic films always have the potential to make people feel better by comparison whether it is Schindler's List or Precious. Does Milloy want these movies to only be made with white actresses? That doesn't seem like a solution to the problem of race in America.
I'm not sure if Saar is a detractor of the film. Does she really want people to make films about girls who are abused, end up in jail and have no future other than exploitation and prison? While that might be more accurate, I can't see that working in anything but a documentary. Films usually have some kind of problem resolution and can open dialogue without showing the common result of a situation.
She is right that social class is a hugely protective factor, but I really wonder about that 1 in 3 statistic. I thought the 1 in 4 number included childhood sexual violence.
The global message I got from the book was the power of literacy and education. Race, socioeconomics, gender, while incredibly relevant in a discussion of literacy, were secondary.
The problem I have with many reviewers of the film is their stubborn focus on the things they feel are potentially "up for consumption" while ignoring the greater, more powerful message.
WRONG. It is in every way a fairy tale - it is a freaking MOVIE. With ACTORS, a DIRECTOR, a DP, an EDITOR, PRODUCERS, MARKETERS, etc etc. Such a dumb angle for criticism.
Still, controversy is good for business, and it's nice to see something worthwhile do well out of it, for a change, as opposed to the Jon-and-Kate-and-Speidi-and-Palin-and-Prejeanasaurus monster.
For me, it wasn't that it was relate-able, but it was a celebration of human spirit and strength beyond what any fairy tale could concoct.
I would not have faulted Precious for giving up at numerous points in her journey. The fact that she did not is a testament to a strength that's hard to trace in her story -- how someone parented by those who had quit at such an extreme level when she was so young can have the fortitude to do what she began to do, in her situation, at 16, is a testament to the underlying truth that people can persevere and give themselves a chance in any setting.
My mom had a client in CA who lost her son for almost a year because the baby's father abused him when the baby was in his care. She was convicted of neglect because she should have known her ex was abusive. The guy had partial custody! She was legally obligated to let her son spend time with the guy, but because he was then abused her son got taken away, she got probation and court-ordered counseling and her son was placed with-- wait for it-- the MOTHER of her ex-boyfriend. T
Hearing about that whole mess made me think about reporting in a whole new way. Sometimes you're screwed either way. #abuse
DV victims also get evicted for "noise disturbances." I worked with a woman who finally kicked out her abusive boyfriend after a horrendously violent fight. The next day she got evicted because the fight had been so loud. #abuse
Don't know much about Amish communities, but isn't reporting it to the church more or less the same as reporting it to the government?
Whereas in the population at large, we have lots of "mandated reporters" who are required to notify CPS if they even suspect abuse. If this had happened in a secular community, she could have told the girls' teachers, and someone would have had to follow up. #abuse
@LittleDogLaughed: Depending on which church is involved (both in terms of denomination and individual church), reports of abuse may get buried by church elders. Ideally, you'd have a situation in which church leaders would talk to the abuser and make it clear that abuse won't be tolerated, but that's assuming that 1) the abuser cares what the church thinks and 2) the church has real power over him. #abuse
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YES! I loathe movies where the female character's life changes for the better/improves mainly because she falls in love, gets married, loses weight, transforms into a beautiful swan. Basically these women have conformed to some societal ideal (be it beauty/relationship standards) and now they deserve to be happy.
In terms of our pop culture (music, books, songs), I'd have to think have to think hard to come up with these kinds of example. I really love this message.
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I doubt Precious will come to any theaters less than two hours from me, because where I live sucks. But I'm really torn about seeing it, regardless. I just don't know if I can put myself through that. I feel like it's something I ought to do as a self-improvement exercise (I haven't been made to feel that way, I just do) kind of like An Inconvenient Truth. Which I haven't seen yet either, which I feel like makes me a Bad Liberal.
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It does bother me that people that, to date, haven't given a shit about girls like Precious SUDDENLY are so sympathetic to their plight. People who have never volunteered, people who have argued against their taxes going to welfare, people who are against a public option for health care, people who argue a difference between rape and "rape-rape", people who make fun of the obese are suddenly appalled by the situation Precious is in. Fuck you, you are a part of the problem. You helped create this rape culture that makes it difficult for women to speak out. You don't want women like Precious to have access to good health care. You don't get to protest the building of a half-way house in your neighborhood and then claim to be moved by Precious' plight.
I think that a lot of people of all races are using their movie ticket as a badge to prove they care, and that is bullshit, but it's a problem with the viewers, not the film.
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But these criticisms are ringing false to me. Milloy's argument is that black people with horrific lives make white people feel better. I'm sure there are people who see the character as other, but tragic films always have the potential to make people feel better by comparison whether it is Schindler's List or Precious. Does Milloy want these movies to only be made with white actresses? That doesn't seem like a solution to the problem of race in America.
I'm not sure if Saar is a detractor of the film. Does she really want people to make films about girls who are abused, end up in jail and have no future other than exploitation and prison? While that might be more accurate, I can't see that working in anything but a documentary. Films usually have some kind of problem resolution and can open dialogue without showing the common result of a situation.
She is right that social class is a hugely protective factor, but I really wonder about that 1 in 3 statistic. I thought the 1 in 4 number included childhood sexual violence.
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The problem I have with many reviewers of the film is their stubborn focus on the things they feel are potentially "up for consumption" while ignoring the greater, more powerful message.
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WRONG. It is in every way a fairy tale - it is a freaking MOVIE. With ACTORS, a DIRECTOR, a DP, an EDITOR, PRODUCERS, MARKETERS, etc etc. Such a dumb angle for criticism.
Still, controversy is good for business, and it's nice to see something worthwhile do well out of it, for a change, as opposed to the Jon-and-Kate-and-Speidi-and-Palin-and-Prejeanasaurus monster.
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I would not have faulted Precious for giving up at numerous points in her journey. The fact that she did not is a testament to a strength that's hard to trace in her story -- how someone parented by those who had quit at such an extreme level when she was so young can have the fortitude to do what she began to do, in her situation, at 16, is a testament to the underlying truth that people can persevere and give themselves a chance in any setting.
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The girl is still HIV positive and is still struggling to learn.
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Hearing about that whole mess made me think about reporting in a whole new way. Sometimes you're screwed either way. #abuse
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Whereas in the population at large, we have lots of "mandated reporters" who are required to notify CPS if they even suspect abuse. If this had happened in a secular community, she could have told the girls' teachers, and someone would have had to follow up. #abuse
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