I found Pesta's inclusion of descriptions of what Chan was wearing to be completely relevant. Despite the horror that Chan endured in the brothels she still goes to them in order to befriend the girls and to help them if they decide they want to leave (side note: this woman is a tower of courage). The neat, clean, nice clothes Chan wears is in stark contrast to the squalor in which these poor girls live and it is indeed a beacon of hope, as Chan isn't someone from another country or class, she is one of them. After living in squalor and enduring torture and horror, how you are dressed IS meaningful. The girls trapped in the brothels wear either pajamas or tawdry outfits, seeing one of their own dressed neatly and cleanly IS a beacon of hope.
"...the way to inject some Seriousness in between all the makeup tips and dress-for-your-shape ideas"
I'm confused. Is there an inherent problem with MCs mix of fluff and gravitas? Isn't that what Jezebel does, with Dirt Bag and fashion alongside rape and wage gap stories?
@Hana Maru: Bingo. This post seems really uncharitable, considering the source. I read Jezebel for thoughtful posts about women's issues and simply ignore the inane items on reality TV stars--I understand that Jezebel feels pressured to post those "stories" because they make money. Few women's mags even bother to run serious stories anymore, so I'm not about to attack Marie-Claire for a petty issue in a well-intentioned piece.
@umami: I like the Celebrity, Sex, Fashion part of Jez. I also like the good discussions of serious stuff. I wonder if I'm missing something in this criticism of MC.
@Hana Maru: Don't get me wrong! I love a bit of escapism as much as the next girl, I'm just not interested in Kardashians, Jon and Kate, etc. But I don't blame Jezebel for including stuff like that and enjoy their mix of the high and low.
Can't women be interested in dresses, shoes, and ending sex slavery all at the same time?
I read about this article on Broadsheet at Salon a couple days ago. This is how they ended the post:
Ten years after getting out, Sreypov still shrinks at the thought of sex and love: "As for marriage and children? 'I don't want that,' she says, shaking her head. She can't imagine herself ever being with men." Sreypov's real life doesn't have a Hollywood ending. She may be doing far better than most child sex slaves can ever hope to do. But her history of sex slavery is still impeding her ability to live a full life. She may never enjoy something most of us take for granted: romantic love.
This kind of made my head explode. I can't believe I read it on a feminist blog.
@SarahMC: I haven't read the Salon article, so I can only go by the quote above, but there's a huge difference between choosing not to have a romantic relationship and being unable to. Sreypov Chan was robbed of that choice and that IS sad. She is a victim of repeated rape and torture and her rejection of romantic love is not a feminist act, it's a result of her abuse.
I will admit that the phrase "But her history of sex slavery is still impeding her ability to live a full life" is problematic in that I think she can have a full life without romantic love, particularly since she has dedicated her life to helping other girls. Mother Theresa led a full life and I'm fairly certain (/sarcasm) that she led a full life. But Mother Theresa was a nun and she chose to give up romantic love, Chan wasn't given the choice. Her ability to engage in a romantic relationship was robbed from her by her abusers.
@yeahisaidit: I agree that the end of the post was perhaps poorly worded, but I get the gist. I mean, it's one thing to say that a woman can't live a happy, fulfilling life without a man. It's quite another, however, to acknowledge that romantic love can be a beautiful thing worth wanting. I don't think the writer meant to imply that we should feel sadness for Sreypov because, ohmigod!, now she'll never find a man!!! Rather, the writer is recognizing that Sreypov might not get to enjoy the very real pleasures that a healthy, romantic relationship can bring - not because of a specific choice she made, not because she just didn't find the right partner and didn't want to settle - but because the atrocities she endured at the hands of men have so scarred her. There's a difference between feeling sad for this woman because the horrors she's lived through have quite possibly deprived her of even the chance to find love, and pitying women in general who - for whatever reasons - stay single.
@mariamariamaria: I see what you're saying but in the MC article, she doesn't despair about being robbed of her ability to love men romantically. Why would she want to? - that's her view.
Men don't deserve her.
@SarahMC: No, Chan does not despair - the Salon writer definitely injected his/her own opinion of the prospect of a life without romantic love. I get the sadness of it, particularly since it was not a choice that Chan made, and romantic love can be a fulfilling, even transforming experience. But, yeah, the whole "can't lead a fulfilling life without it" is definitely the writer's opinion and not a fact of Chan's life.
I literally JUST read this story at the pharmacy whilst waiting for my meds. I didn't even notice the clothing descriptions; they didn't jump out at me. I don't think they're worthless, either way. Sometimes it just helps you create an image of a person/character in your mind. You can imagine the women driving around, visiting the brothel, talking to each other.
What a sad, sad story though. Sreypov Chan is not only hope personified, but strength personified. How anyone could come back from such horrors is beyond me. I despair for those poor girls.
I'm torn. On one hand, after reading the article, I got the sense that by focusing on these quotes about clothing, Anna is giving the clothing more attention than the story itself. On the other hand, I get her confusion: why does Pesta focus on the clothing so much?
I guess one way of interpreting that is as Anna has, which is to say that it's simply a ladymag concession to frivolity. But I also think that Pesta is trying to use the example of the raw-silk dress and the button-down blouse and black pants to show how stark Chan's transformation has been, from a sex slave to a professional young woman. I don't think that's a frivolous thing to note, although I think Pesta could have framed it better. But don't you think that's interesting, the idea that someone who probably spent a lot of her time naked or being forced to wear whatever skimpy things the men who paid to sleep with her found attractive, can now make those kinds of choices for herself?
One thing is the audience: they are interested in fashion. Hearing what this woman is wearing, thinking that she sounds like then, gives them a connection to her that they didn't have before. "Why, that sounds like something I/my daughter/my friend would wear!" can translate into a shared connection instead of "those foreign things that happen in foreign lands". It's a frivolous connection, but it's still there.
Also, that many people living in less-than-ideal situations often treasure their nice things. The nice clothes they have, or the jewelry. They are proud to show them to others to assert their value and improve their status in society, as well as to enjoy fine things. Pesta could have framed it a little better, but I got more of the shock-and-horror aspect of the article, and the clothes serve as a tool to bring it back to realities that readers are familiar with.
I agree. In both mentions of clothing, the clothing she is wearing to contrast her life and personality before. The pink, eye catching dress is contrasted with her personality when she was first released: a teenage girl so terrified of people and made to feel so dehumanized that she couldn't believe other people would look her in the face and greet her kindly...but a year later she was wearing a bright colored, probably attention grabbing outfit and greeting people with ease. And the mention of her professional outfit (and posture) comes right after this paragraph:
"It's around 10 a.m. and the women are wearing pajamas and earrings, resting from the night's work. They look beaten up. Their garish evening dresses hang in the bathroom, beside a door frame that's been decimated by termites." She's gone from a similar situation to being a proud, put together, professional woman.
I read this article. There are only two mentions of outfits, which are outlined in this post. I really didn't find them that distracting and found them to serve more as a contrast between her life then and now than a fashion note.
Frankly, anytime there is a description of the outfit that an interviewee is wearing, it usually serves to describe how the person is projecting themselves to others.
Did anyone else read this and think it was a non-issue?
@IvyArbor: I made a similar comment above. I think you make a good point about how she is projecting herself, especially since that's no small thing given her past. But instead of thinking it's a non-issue, I actually think that it's a different kind of issue that's not necessarily being given the credit it deserves.
The one thing that I liked about MC was that it had articles concerning more than the latest anti-ageing techniques and the obligatory starlet interview. I don't buy it much anymore, but I think acknowledgement of a harmful widespread worldwide issue is ALOT better than "Oh?! Sex trafficking? I was busy reading about how depressed/lonely/sad/jealous/angry/hopeful/resigned/ Jennifer Aniston is this week." These articles give women who aren't into NPR a snippet of news outside the consumerist celebrity coverage vacuum. I'm for it.
@divinelioness: I liked that about Marie Claire at first, too, but then I started noticing that they managed to squeeze a burqa into every issue. After a while the token "we care about other things, too" articles began to seem trite and phony. It was like they alternated month to month between burqas and sex-trafficking. Both are serious topics for sure, but it started to read like, "Okay, here's the token women's issue... now back to makeup!"
@rodmanstreet: I know what you mean... I think that trite is better than nothing all. I wish that women's magazines covered a broader range of experiences. I love GQ and Esquire, and both of those have random "how to tie a tie" manuals, and work attire on-the street makeovers and interviews with ambassadors/congressmen/athletes, plus the celeb interview, car how-tos and gorgeous fashion spreads, as well as interviews and spreads on female celebs.
Ideal mag issue: pull out on how pick a good wine with interview of women-owed wineries from different countries, on the street work attire make-overs (and make-up make unders) Interview with female presidents/queens/ prime ministers about looming global issues, spread and interview with Anderson Cooper vs. Jon Stewart titled "The Two Sides of the News Man", fashion spread with the ladies of Mad Men with a tutorial on 60's inspired make-up, special interest piece on the alternatives to monogamy (NO sensationalizing, please), and a "last look" on musician Paolo Nutini. :D
@divinelioness: I don't buy MC any more either, but I agree, props need to be given for their attempt to enlighten their readers on what is going on in the world. Back in the 90's, it was through Marie Clare that I learned about the human rights violations against women under the Taliban.
Perhaps Pesta's father owns the magazine and a fomer-model, now editor, told him the story was too much of a downer so he told his daughter to spice it up with some fashion.
To say nothing of the the unfortunate contrast between the teaser for this piece, "I was a sex slave--and escaped," and that for the cover story: "Hilary Swank: on surviving a Hollywood divorce." Must have been the clothes that did it for her, too.
This is the usual tempest in a teapot. How much money are we actually talking about here? Is it more or less then the bales of cash delivered to KBR in Iraq? Is it more or less then the handout to Wall Street last year?
This story is dangerous because it is an attempt to establish a false equivalency to the corruption of the right. Is what this lady did on video more or less dangerous then female workers for haliburton and KBR being raped and the cover up being sponsored on our dime?
I'm sorry but some minor corruption by a bunch of poor people just doesn't rise to
the level of that other stuff, but we can't talk about that in this country, that would be disrespectful to the president and the troops.
Poor training, bad PR skills and slip ups like this are characteristic of most non-profits. When you can't afford to pay people larger salaries, you don't end up getting the quality of employees and for-profit companies. That's just a sad reflection of life and finances and what have you. I've seen this time and time again in non-profits I've worked/interned for: poor organization, no one willing to do the work to change the current system because they're not paid much to do their normal work in the first place, etc. It's not true of every non-profit or every non-profit employee, of course, but it's extremely prevalent when you look at groups like this as a whole.
@awinoforever: For ACORN, it isn't just what salaries they can afford. I attended an ACORN organizing training about 10 yeas ago. DC ACORN, at that time, had a policy that they don't pay staff more than their members' incomes. They felt it wasn't right to pay high salaries when they get funding from people in poverty. I'm not sure if that changed, or if that was justification for paying low wages to organizers (who always get low salaries), or what.
@Lymed: that's really interesting - thanks for the details. i get the philosophy behind that, and the reasoning behind low pay at non-profits in general, but the cause-effect relationship it produces does not lend itself to well run organizations with highly trained staff, you know?
I worked for ACORN for a very short while, right before the 2004 election. Alot of our income during those months came specifically from voter registration funds. I remember being specifically told by my supervisor that we were not to practice the methods we had heard of in other states - like Florida, and Ohio - where other ACORN offices in the 2000 election (and then later, coverage showed, in the 2004 election) were intentionally forging voter registration cards in order to receive the $4 per registration fee for the organization. We were told to differentiate ourselves by being honest.
It's possible that those were simple mistakes and errors in judgment on the part of the employees, especially as ACORN's screening for the voter reg staff was minimal. However, knowing that the same error popped up in at least 4-5 different states in the 2004 election season makes it seem like it may have been intentional.
I was also dismayed later on, to find out about the history of ACORN in Kansas City, MO, where the office closed with short notice, and ACORN national continued to withdraw membership dues from the affected members for 8 years with no staff to support them and no active chapters.
I soon left, because I had grave concerns about the stability of the neighborhood chapter I was supposed to build, and those concerns were seriously affecting my ability to recruit members.
It was soon after that that I discovered the non-profit for whom I had been doing community organizing had been convicted of union-busting among their own employees not a year earlier. I've included here a link to the decision by the National Labor Relations Board.
I agree with Lymed in her assertion that ACORN does do some fantastic work. They were one of the first to raise awareness publicly about predatory lending. They have spoken out on behalf of the poor and the marginalized in multiple communities, and given low-income neighborhoods alot of power in deciding their own agendas for their neighborhoods, something I admire and respect.
However, I also think the methods they have used to achieve those means are reprehensible. I hope that, with their federal funding revoked, other non-profits will step in to fill the gap, and fill it in a way that is more ethical. I support the revocation of their funding by the government. When I found out that my denomination, the Presbyterian Church (USA) had given them a generous grant from our funds to support community organizing, I also advised our national staff to take a closer look at their history of labor relations and structural stability. I still stand by that advise.
Doing I think this interview served as a form entrapment? Certainly. Do I think the organizer really thought she wsas just playing along? Definitely. However, I also hope the publicity this brings to ACORN will also allow us to look more closely at their problematic history, and criticize them fairly. We on the left need to criticize them as well, to hold them accountable for justice within their organization as they proclaim the need for justice in our society.
ACORN does some fantastic work. They are trusted by low income people who are in need of assistance. Some chapters do incredible work in empowering people who feel powerless. In teaching people to build credit so they can open a bank account, to help them get the EITC, to access social services.
Are they perfect? Far from it. When the claims of voter fraud emerged I laughed saying there is no way ACORN could pull it off even if they wanted to. That is what I see in this instance. Not malice, but incompetence. Workers thinking they are helping people in need and doing it incompetently.
But what happens now? What happens to those people ACORN did help? What happens to all the people ACORN mobilized in elections to vote for people who stood for the under-represented?
It would have been one thing if it was discovered ACORN was regularly giving out this advice. But this was a set up and a few people acted really stupidly when they were set up. Now the poor and disenfranchised in America will suffer.
They are trusted by low income people who are in need of assistance.
This has always been, for me, the greatest value of ACORN. When I see ACORN organizers and volunteers around, they are always people from that community, helping people in that same community. They generally aren't seen as outsiders coming in to tell the poor folks what to do and how to live as so many well-meaning liberal organizations tend to do. It engenders a lot of trust in what they have to offer and what they have to say.
@Lymed: I worked with ACORN on my spring break. I volunteered to gut homes in NOLA. It frustrates me when I see that the dirty spots are the only parts mentioned and instead of getting fixed, the entire system goes down.
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I'm confused. Is there an inherent problem with MCs mix of fluff and gravitas? Isn't that what Jezebel does, with Dirt Bag and fashion alongside rape and wage gap stories?
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Can't women be interested in dresses, shoes, and ending sex slavery all at the same time?
10/13/09
Ten years after getting out, Sreypov still shrinks at the thought of sex and love: "As for marriage and children? 'I don't want that,' she says, shaking her head. She can't imagine herself ever being with men." Sreypov's real life doesn't have a Hollywood ending. She may be doing far better than most child sex slaves can ever hope to do. But her history of sex slavery is still impeding her ability to live a full life. She may never enjoy something most of us take for granted: romantic love.
This kind of made my head explode. I can't believe I read it on a feminist blog.
10/13/09
Yes, the worst thing about her story is that she will never have the "pleasure" of living out some stupid pretty princess Disney fairytale.
10/13/09
I will admit that the phrase "But her history of sex slavery is still impeding her ability to live a full life" is problematic in that I think she can have a full life without romantic love, particularly since she has dedicated her life to helping other girls. Mother Theresa led a full life and I'm fairly certain (/sarcasm) that she led a full life. But Mother Theresa was a nun and she chose to give up romantic love, Chan wasn't given the choice. Her ability to engage in a romantic relationship was robbed from her by her abusers.
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Men don't deserve her.
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What a sad, sad story though. Sreypov Chan is not only hope personified, but strength personified. How anyone could come back from such horrors is beyond me. I despair for those poor girls.
10/13/09
I guess one way of interpreting that is as Anna has, which is to say that it's simply a ladymag concession to frivolity. But I also think that Pesta is trying to use the example of the raw-silk dress and the button-down blouse and black pants to show how stark Chan's transformation has been, from a sex slave to a professional young woman. I don't think that's a frivolous thing to note, although I think Pesta could have framed it better. But don't you think that's interesting, the idea that someone who probably spent a lot of her time naked or being forced to wear whatever skimpy things the men who paid to sleep with her found attractive, can now make those kinds of choices for herself?
10/13/09
One thing is the audience: they are interested in fashion. Hearing what this woman is wearing, thinking that she sounds like then, gives them a connection to her that they didn't have before. "Why, that sounds like something I/my daughter/my friend would wear!" can translate into a shared connection instead of "those foreign things that happen in foreign lands". It's a frivolous connection, but it's still there.
Also, that many people living in less-than-ideal situations often treasure their nice things. The nice clothes they have, or the jewelry. They are proud to show them to others to assert their value and improve their status in society, as well as to enjoy fine things. Pesta could have framed it a little better, but I got more of the shock-and-horror aspect of the article, and the clothes serve as a tool to bring it back to realities that readers are familiar with.
10/13/09
I agree. In both mentions of clothing, the clothing she is wearing to contrast her life and personality before. The pink, eye catching dress is contrasted with her personality when she was first released: a teenage girl so terrified of people and made to feel so dehumanized that she couldn't believe other people would look her in the face and greet her kindly...but a year later she was wearing a bright colored, probably attention grabbing outfit and greeting people with ease. And the mention of her professional outfit (and posture) comes right after this paragraph:
"It's around 10 a.m. and the women are wearing pajamas and earrings, resting from the night's work. They look beaten up. Their garish evening dresses hang in the bathroom, beside a door frame that's been decimated by termites." She's gone from a similar situation to being a proud, put together, professional woman.
10/13/09
Frankly, anytime there is a description of the outfit that an interviewee is wearing, it usually serves to describe how the person is projecting themselves to others.
Did anyone else read this and think it was a non-issue?
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I agree with you; I think it's fantastic that someone who has been through such horror can outwardly project such a positive image.
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Ideal mag issue: pull out on how pick a good wine with interview of women-owed wineries from different countries, on the street work attire make-overs (and make-up make unders) Interview with female presidents/queens/ prime ministers about looming global issues, spread and interview with Anderson Cooper vs. Jon Stewart titled "The Two Sides of the News Man", fashion spread with the ladies of Mad Men with a tutorial on 60's inspired make-up, special interest piece on the alternatives to monogamy (NO sensationalizing, please), and a "last look" on musician Paolo Nutini. :D
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This story is dangerous because it is an attempt to establish a false equivalency to the corruption of the right. Is what this lady did on video more or less dangerous then female workers for haliburton and KBR being raped and the cover up being sponsored on our dime?
I'm sorry but some minor corruption by a bunch of poor people just doesn't rise to
the level of that other stuff, but we can't talk about that in this country, that would be disrespectful to the president and the troops.
09/18/09
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It's possible that those were simple mistakes and errors in judgment on the part of the employees, especially as ACORN's screening for the voter reg staff was minimal. However, knowing that the same error popped up in at least 4-5 different states in the 2004 election season makes it seem like it may have been intentional.
I was also dismayed later on, to find out about the history of ACORN in Kansas City, MO, where the office closed with short notice, and ACORN national continued to withdraw membership dues from the affected members for 8 years with no staff to support them and no active chapters.
I soon left, because I had grave concerns about the stability of the neighborhood chapter I was supposed to build, and those concerns were seriously affecting my ability to recruit members.
It was soon after that that I discovered the non-profit for whom I had been doing community organizing had been convicted of union-busting among their own employees not a year earlier. I've included here a link to the decision by the National Labor Relations Board.
[www.nlrb.gov]
I agree with Lymed in her assertion that ACORN does do some fantastic work. They were one of the first to raise awareness publicly about predatory lending. They have spoken out on behalf of the poor and the marginalized in multiple communities, and given low-income neighborhoods alot of power in deciding their own agendas for their neighborhoods, something I admire and respect.
However, I also think the methods they have used to achieve those means are reprehensible. I hope that, with their federal funding revoked, other non-profits will step in to fill the gap, and fill it in a way that is more ethical. I support the revocation of their funding by the government. When I found out that my denomination, the Presbyterian Church (USA) had given them a generous grant from our funds to support community organizing, I also advised our national staff to take a closer look at their history of labor relations and structural stability. I still stand by that advise.
Doing I think this interview served as a form entrapment? Certainly. Do I think the organizer really thought she wsas just playing along? Definitely. However, I also hope the publicity this brings to ACORN will also allow us to look more closely at their problematic history, and criticize them fairly. We on the left need to criticize them as well, to hold them accountable for justice within their organization as they proclaim the need for justice in our society.
09/18/09
Are they perfect? Far from it. When the claims of voter fraud emerged I laughed saying there is no way ACORN could pull it off even if they wanted to. That is what I see in this instance. Not malice, but incompetence. Workers thinking they are helping people in need and doing it incompetently.
But what happens now? What happens to those people ACORN did help? What happens to all the people ACORN mobilized in elections to vote for people who stood for the under-represented?
It would have been one thing if it was discovered ACORN was regularly giving out this advice. But this was a set up and a few people acted really stupidly when they were set up. Now the poor and disenfranchised in America will suffer.
09/18/09
And that's a feature, not a bug.
09/18/09
They are trusted by low income people who are in need of assistance.
This has always been, for me, the greatest value of ACORN. When I see ACORN organizers and volunteers around, they are always people from that community, helping people in that same community. They generally aren't seen as outsiders coming in to tell the poor folks what to do and how to live as so many well-meaning liberal organizations tend to do. It engenders a lot of trust in what they have to offer and what they have to say.
09/18/09