If it is raining, Christie Brinkley wanders about the house, cradling a cup of Lavender tea, gecko perched on her shoulder, fondling her begonias. Then she reads the newspaper.
I imagine the Church of Scientology's uniforms to have a jaunty nautical theme, accented with foreskins of young boys (just as L. Ron would have wanted) and dyed in the tears of delusion.
@momentsofabsurdity: Standard disclaimer: I didn't mean to say I was healthy and anyone else was unhealthy. I was just pointing out that I wear a 7/8 (though with jeans sizing, I really have no idea -- I've worn a 2 and a 12 and both fit still) and mainstream denim fits it just fine. So does high fashion, come to think of it. I have True Religions that fit okay, and some Rock and Republics that are fine.
@momentsofabsurdity: I said this above already but I think it's a shape thing. An 8 or a 10, maybe even a 12, who're proportionally narrow of hip and small of ass typically won't have much problem finding premium denim to fit. A woman who's more pear shaped, all kinds of problems finding jeans that fit, at any size.
@Cassandra Says: That's true. I've got some junk in my trunk, but I'm sure if I had a bigger butt I'd be harder to fit. My body is overall proportional which makes clothes pretty easy to find, but you're right - a larger butt/hips/thighs (but not altogether) would make things much more difficult to fit.
I have come to the conclusion that there needs to be a revolution in sizing.
A lot of women have trouble because your waist is a 10 but your butt is a 14, or whatever. That's assuming you can find clothes you like in your size, of course. And THEN the sizes don't mean anything anyone, being as they are subject to creative inflation.
Why can't women's clothing be sized like men's? With measurements instead of arbitrary numbers. And to further improve it, clothes could come in different sizes in various "zones," like, pants would have butt and thigh measurements as well as waist and length.
I have this fantasy of a store where I could get clothing customized to fit my short legs, small but long waist, etc etc. And since I can't afford a tailor,a fantasy it will remain.
"I've noticed lately that they are trying to make big sizes more into style," said Kathy Salinas, as she considered a zebra-striped Piper & Blue tunic
Here's another issue I have:
It seems like there have ALWAYS been plus-sized zebra-striped, or sequined, or spangled, or absurdly embroidered, or OMG CABBAGE-SIZED FLORAL PRINT-printed tunics. Some days it seems like that's all you can get at damn Lane Bryant or whatever.
However, the longer, tunic-like length is "in" currently, as well as empire waists, and forgiving knit garments, and maxi dresses.
Now, I don't love it; I like a more structured, skimming look. But I wonder if the blousy, elongated, figure-concealing juniors/misses styles are simply translating themselves into the stuff that plus sizes have ALWAYS had to endure--I wonder if that's why there's a sudden focus on "OH IT IS SO EASY* TO GET TRENDY PLUS SIZES NOW LOL".
I mean, a tunic that's meant to be oversized can fit a lot of different shapes and sizes. A stretchy knit dress can hang loosely on a small model and be more fitted on a larger model. Both garments will technically "fit" a range of sizes--which means that designers and manufacturers can throw size tags at the garments, sure, but they don't have to carefully look at rises, inseams, hems, or positioning of arm holes. It's not like the really unforgiving microfiber/midriff/ultra low rise stuff from late last decade.
It would really irk me if there was such a big brouhaha about OMG THERE ARE PLUS SIZES NOW LOL!!11 if it was just a flash in the pan based on today's hideous, figure-swallowing styles. I'm not sure if I'm making my point very well. It just seems like a cop-out for a designer to say "OKAY WE MADE THIS MASSIVE PONCHO FOR EVERYONE, THAT'S TOTALLY PLUS SIZE RITE!??! LOL".
@tscheese: Yeah, it sort of smacks of "Ooh, ugly crap for all!" Sure, it may be somewhat easier to find something you can squeeze your tits into, but that doesn't mean it looks good, anymore than these bizarre styles look good on incredibly skinny people. Blargh.
Whenever this discussion comes up, I'm reminded of a Jennifer Weiner book in which the main character goes to "fat class", as she puts it. She's describing the outfit of another woman who's attending the class, and it goes something like, "beautiful, yes, and probably expensive, but playclothes. As if designers don't realize that fat women need business suits or dresses that fit etc." Not a quote there because I don't remember her exact words, but that description really seemed apt. I've noticed this same thing. And what bothers me most when I think about this issue is that, yeah, places like Lane Bryant do have nice clothes that fit some people really well, but...what if a woman wanted to drop two hundred bucks on a pair of COH or Sevens or Habituals? She, um, can't. Because they don't come in her size. So I guess my point is, high-end designers enjoy making money, right? And money is money no matter who is spending it, right? So given the fact that not everyone is a size whatever, but almost everyone would like wearing expensive, weel-made shit at some point or another, then why exclude? I'm no mogul or anything, but that seems like bad business. Doesn't it? Strictly from a businessy, bottom-line point of view? Or am I just being silly?
Blargh. People need to remove their heads from their asses. That's all I got.
The fat friend? Maybe Kate hangs out with her because she's a great musician and is fun to be around or they share similar interests and not that she's some sort of 'token chubby'. I don't know that i'm jaded enough to believe that people pick their friends based on their size/because it's trend. Sheesh!
Next they're going to start having auditions before you can buy certain clothing lines. Head shots required! No entry to the store without a declaration of your "hotness" by 3 employees of the designer.
Know what irks me? I worked part-time at Rainbow CLothing Stores a few months back, and their 'plus size' line was a joke. All their clothing sizes run small, so what they deemed a size 16 was in actuality a 12. They stopped their sizes at 20 (actually a 16) so many women couldn't even find something to fit them. Not only that, but they were the UGLIEST clothes you can possibly imagine. The junior clothes the store put out were adorable, trendy and completely affordable - tons of items on clearance and otherwise, under $10 most of the time.
The plus sized stuff? All the shirts looked like muu muus or either had some heinous, childish, 80s type screen printing on it. They were cheaply made, and came in some of the tackiest colors imaginable. If the junior shirts were in pretty shades of forest green, taupe and plum, the 'plus size' versions would be in neon pink, olive green and poo-brown. It was impossible to find accessories to go with them. The pants were even worse. Boot cut ONLY, and they were all high-rise jeans that wouldn't flatter anyone. To add insult to injury all the plus-size clothes were always at least five bucks more expensive than the 'junior' equivalent and were never put on clearance.
Oh, and the 'plus sized' mannequin was a size 8. We had to use clothes pins to keep the clothes on her, and they still fell off. Gah.
@bluebears: I'm trying to wield the sledgehammer today, but yeah, it's kind of futile. There should be some sort of disclaimer attached to these kinds of articles. I'll write it.
WARNING: The following kinds of comments will be immediately disemvoweled:
1) Mention of own size and how HARD it is for you too 2) "I'm sorry, but X body type is unhealthy" 3) "Finally, someone celebrating REAL women" 4) Comments on the body type discussed, when the article is actually about fashion 5) Any conversions of US/UK sizes, particularly related to Marilyn Monroe
I would like to recommend the awesome plus size premium denim line SVOBODA. If you are size 12+ and haven't tried these jeans on, I HIGHLY recommend them
As a women's retail worker I've got a secret for you ladies: The clothes don't fit anybodies body. Shhhh...they don't want you to know. Now if you wanna talk about change I'd like to see women's stores become more like men's where there is a tailor on hand. Thats progress.
(And it took me nearly 25 years to realize that clothes often don't even fit the models or mannequins displaying them and that pins and clips are used to make things look good so you will buy them.)
@ZemarSea Urchin: I was once in freakin' Eddie Bauer and the lady in the dressing room told me that their petite size pants fit pretty much no one in the crotch. She told me to just buy a pair in normal length and the crotch length would be better and I could just get the leg length altered.
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@Santos L Halper: I imagine them to look like this. Only shorter. Possibly with pointy hats.
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I'm probably an 7/8 and I fit fine in mainstream lines! Does she mean high fashion?
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A lot of women have trouble because your waist is a 10 but your butt is a 14, or whatever. That's assuming you can find clothes you like in your size, of course. And THEN the sizes don't mean anything anyone, being as they are subject to creative inflation.
Why can't women's clothing be sized like men's? With measurements instead of arbitrary numbers. And to further improve it, clothes could come in different sizes in various "zones," like, pants would have butt and thigh measurements as well as waist and length.
I have this fantasy of a store where I could get clothing customized to fit my short legs, small but long waist, etc etc. And since I can't afford a tailor,a fantasy it will remain.
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I actually haven't really seen them, I just love the name.
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Here's another issue I have:
It seems like there have ALWAYS been plus-sized zebra-striped, or sequined, or spangled, or absurdly embroidered, or OMG CABBAGE-SIZED FLORAL PRINT-printed tunics. Some days it seems like that's all you can get at damn Lane Bryant or whatever.
However, the longer, tunic-like length is "in" currently, as well as empire waists, and forgiving knit garments, and maxi dresses.
Now, I don't love it; I like a more structured, skimming look. But I wonder if the blousy, elongated, figure-concealing juniors/misses styles are simply translating themselves into the stuff that plus sizes have ALWAYS had to endure--I wonder if that's why there's a sudden focus on "OH IT IS SO EASY* TO GET TRENDY PLUS SIZES NOW LOL".
I mean, a tunic that's meant to be oversized can fit a lot of different shapes and sizes. A stretchy knit dress can hang loosely on a small model and be more fitted on a larger model. Both garments will technically "fit" a range of sizes--which means that designers and manufacturers can throw size tags at the garments, sure, but they don't have to carefully look at rises, inseams, hems, or positioning of arm holes. It's not like the really unforgiving microfiber/midriff/ultra low rise stuff from late last decade.
It would really irk me if there was such a big brouhaha about OMG THERE ARE PLUS SIZES NOW LOL!!11 if it was just a flash in the pan based on today's hideous, figure-swallowing styles. I'm not sure if I'm making my point very well. It just seems like a cop-out for a designer to say "OKAY WE MADE THIS MASSIVE PONCHO FOR EVERYONE, THAT'S TOTALLY PLUS SIZE RITE!??! LOL".
*for extremely variable values of "easy"
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Blargh. People need to remove their heads from their asses. That's all I got.
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The plus sized stuff? All the shirts looked like muu muus or either had some heinous, childish, 80s type screen printing on it. They were cheaply made, and came in some of the tackiest colors imaginable. If the junior shirts were in pretty shades of forest green, taupe and plum, the 'plus size' versions would be in neon pink, olive green and poo-brown. It was impossible to find accessories to go with them. The pants were even worse. Boot cut ONLY, and they were all high-rise jeans that wouldn't flatter anyone. To add insult to injury all the plus-size clothes were always at least five bucks more expensive than the 'junior' equivalent and were never put on clearance.
Oh, and the 'plus sized' mannequin was a size 8. We had to use clothes pins to keep the clothes on her, and they still fell off. Gah.
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WARNING: The following kinds of comments will be immediately disemvoweled:
1) Mention of own size and how HARD it is for you too
2) "I'm sorry, but X body type is unhealthy"
3) "Finally, someone celebrating REAL women"
4) Comments on the body type discussed, when the article is actually about fashion
5) Any conversions of US/UK sizes, particularly related to Marilyn Monroe
06/18/09
But it would mean a TON of work for Hortense...
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But I'd prefer to see a line of clothing for people who are boobilicious. I'm tired of looking at rack after rack of maxi dresses.
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[svobodastyle.com]
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(And it took me nearly 25 years to realize that clothes often don't even fit the models or mannequins displaying them and that pins and clips are used to make things look good so you will buy them.)
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*It was like some kind of epiphany*