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Kivrin
12/01/08

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I've never watched Lipstick Jungle, so for a second I thought that guy on the right was Scott Speedman (a.k.a. Ben from Felicity). I got really excited and rushed over to IMDB...only to discover that it's not my beloved Ben. So yeah, I won't be tuning in to help save the show. Oh well.
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hellosunshine
12/01/08

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Note to self: Start watching HIMYM in real-time instead of on DVR...
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Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
12/01/08

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I was watching the hell out of it before they brought in the token "fat" client for Victory to freak out over."Oh but you have such a pretty face!" "Oh you have killer clavicles." Barf.
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AFever
12/01/08

@Vivelafat says Vive La Obama: Seriously, that was so weird! I guess they were trying to show Victory's good heart or some such nonsense, but they just made both her and the publicist look like shallow idiots.
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Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
12/02/08

@AFever: Her good heart? Cause she was nice to a fat lady? Double barf. I am seriously contemplating never watching that show again (except for I love Joe)
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Kivrin
12/01/08

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The Nielsen people and the networks really need to figure out how to incorporate both DVR and online viewing into their calculations. Geez.
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NefariousNewt
12/01/08

@Kivrin: The Nielsen system is pretty antiquated. Given the number of digital devices on which you can view TV media (Internet, DVR, satellite, etc.), there has to be a more accurate way to track viewership than the old set-top boxes and diaries. Frankly, in a few years, I don't think A.C. Nielsen will be relevant anymore.
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nanner36
12/01/08

@Kivrin: Not sure that will ever happen. Advertisers hate the whole DVR thing.
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Kivrin
12/01/08

@nanner36: Well then people are going to stop watching network TV period if the execs keep cancelling decent shows, so...I'm sure the advertisers will be really happy then!

I agree that it's a conundrum, and I'd be pretty pissed if I were in advertising...but they simply have to evolve. Stop trying to impede technological progress and start thinking about how to adapt. (Same goes for the automakers.)
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jennilyn
12/01/08

@Kivrin: Nielsen does track DVR watching within 3 days. However you do need to be a Nielsen "family" to have those viewings count.

Online/internet TV is completely different in the ad revenue world. Ultimately, it is about the advertisers and what $ the networks can generate. In the next few years the networks will figure out how to incorporate digital and traditional TV - they'll have to to remain competitive.

(This is closely related to what I do for a living, so I can go on all day).
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Kivrin
12/01/08

@jennilyn: Yeah, I used to work in marketing, so I'm familiar with the concept of certain ad space/media being more attractive to advertisers. I just think it should be obvious to everyone -- advertisers and TV execs alike -- that the TV-watching landscape has changed dramatically, and they need to start trying to adapt instead of hanging on to the same old ways of doing business. I know it's happening, but it seems to be happening quite slowly. And the fact that NBC is basically encouraging people to change their habits if they want to save their show? Feels manipulative and desperate.
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Kivrin
12/01/08

@Kivrin: Sorry, that last post sounded bitchy -- I was just trying to say that while I don't know everything about TV advertising, I did spend several years working in the marketing dept for a company that advertises heavily both online and on TV. So I feel like I have enough knowledge to criticize the advertisers and TV execs on this issue. That's all. :)
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PhillyLass
12/01/08

@Kivrin: But doesn't DVR viewing make it possible to fast-forward through the commercials, leaving advertisers no reason to support DVR-based shows?
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PhDork
12/01/08

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I've never seen Lipstick Jungle, but I love it for spawning the SNL spoof ad for "Lady Business."
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jenalicious
12/01/08

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but doesnt it only matter if you have a neilsen box? im confused over ratings.

and i will admit, i do like the show. kirby is man-candy.
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The Queen of No
11/25/08

In reply to What Do Girls Want? Chastity By Twilight
All the sexuality and none of the sex. They are consumed with each other but he won't fuck/suck her. It's perfect for a girl not-yet-ready to go full throttle just yet. The idea of all-consuming love is all there is at that age, the reality would be too much.
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Shamrockette
11/25/08

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This book series just made me feel crappy about being a virgin. It's all fine and good, but still, some of us "untouched" individuals aren't virgins because of choice.
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lastbroadcast
11/25/08

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Twilight never really struck me as preachy, I was actually pretty suprised when I found out Stephanie Meyer was mormon. In the 4th book, Bella practically begs him to have sex with her, and attempts it (this is before they marry), so in that sense I suppose it wasn't moralizing but more realistic. But then she gets pregnant basically has a demon child...after marriage, so that to me kind of throws off the whole Christian values message of the book. I also agree how hard it is to find a good YA Book, but I highly recommend Making the Run by Heather Henson for anyone who enjoys the YA genre or just wants to feel nostalgic about their drunken teenage days.
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lastbroadcast
11/25/08

@lastbroadcast:
Oh erm, SPOLIER ALERT! A bit late there sorry. Though I take it most of you either have read it or don't plan on it.
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clevernamehere
11/25/08

@lastbroadcast: Umm... I'm actually in the middle of the first one and I don't think I'm the only one who recently started reading them. I don't really care because I don't think they're very good.
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LimitedLiabilityGirl
11/25/08

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Oh Caitlin, Caitlin. No one can write like you, and that's a shame, but no one thinks quite like you either, and for that, we give thanks.
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scullymurphy
11/25/08

@LimitedLiabilityGirl: I know, I often find myself thinking, "what a waste of a good writer," when I read her stuff.
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MarianGabynoodle
11/25/08

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Actually, the reason Edward doesn't want to consummate the relationship with Bella isn't because he's afraid he'll lose control and drink her blood. Since he's so incredibly strong (yeah, I know, swoon) he's afraid he'll literally f*$% her to death when he loses control over his body and lets his mind go. There are lots of lines in the books where he kisses her and pulls back because he's afraid he'll squeeze her too hard and kill her when he succumbs to the passion, etc etc.
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Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka
11/25/08

@MarianGabynoodle: Oh dear. Well, that puts a new perspective on it.

And is the book really this centered on whether they consummate the relationship or not?
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BlondeGrlz
11/25/08

@Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka: Yes. From the very first book every time they start kissing Edward gets all "Noooooo! I may kill you with my vampire strength!!!"

Although eventually they do it, so the big deal was all for nothing. Except by then it's married sex, so obviously it's much less passionate and dramatic.
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hollygirl
11/25/08

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I almost barfed at rachel getting Married because of the camera movement.
I really really hate the way Caitlin Flanagan writes about unmarreid women. I pray for her husband to leave her.
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ArtfulSlinger
11/25/08

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Oh and there has always been in an inherent sexism to vampire folklore, so its no surprise here.
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ArtfulSlinger
11/25/08

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Bad writing is one thing, but bad writing that ruins the sexiness of vampires is quite another. Personally, I stayed away from this shit shack of a series for many of the reasons listed in the comments and original post so far, but my bigger problem here is why is such a crappy piece of work being forced on our young teenage girls when they could be reading something more interesting, filled with better stories?
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Cerridwen
11/25/08

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I think teenage girls like this story for a whole host of reasons: the romance, the eroticism, the image of the man who adores you, the normal girl, because you are special and not only won't push your boundaries but actually restrains his own lust/love so that he won't hurt you. These are powerful things for adolescent girls just encountering and exploring their own sexuality. The fascination with sex, but the fear of what it will do to you, too. I can see how the ability to explore the lusty feelings of hormonal youth and skirt the (perceived or real) dangers, without the real fear of being hurt by it would be a big pull.
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