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11/12/09
Just don't get it. #quiverfulls
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I'm a born again secular humanist. #quiverfulls
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I'm so glad she's shared her story, and recommend it to everyone. I'm so mad I missed the show! I made my husband watch it the other night, checking to see if it was her episode. I'll have to find a rerun.
Thanks, Jezebel, for linking about this. #quiverfulls
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I have a big problem with how these families end up relying on the older children to take care of the younger ones. Say what we will about the Bible, but the raising of children therein seems to be clearly delegated to PARENTS, not older siblings. Oftentimes the older children in Quiverfull families grow up to be anal-retentive responsible while the younger ones, who don't have to do any sibling-rearing, become spoiled and irresponsible. In my opinion, this family structure is unbiblical. Not to mention unhealthy and unfair to the older children. #quiverfulls
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ETA: Not to say ALL large families work that way but hers seems to have.
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No one counts on their partner getting sick, dying or going blind, but it happens. Think about it; everything is just peaches for the Duggers because Jim Bob brings home the bacon thus enabling Michelle to have over 15 children. But how fast would that tight little ship go under if something were to happen to Jim Bob. #quiverfulls
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Is this part of the belief system, or simply their own laziness?
Anyone else have family members who are part of this? #quiverfulls
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So, not the same as Quiverfull or your aunt and uncle, but somewhat similar. #quiverfulls
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Depending upon God's will in this situation means depending that God will wisely, knowingly choose when a woman will conceive. And God will also, mysteriously, provide everything (housing, food, education, whatever...) that the family needs to survive. I've also read that Quiverful women who have miscarriages are looked down upon as sinners or "wrong in the eyes of the lord". #quiverfulls
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And yes, Mom was not so good with seeing that having children required a financial investment to see that they were well cared for, had the chance to go to college, etc. God didn't say you should guarantee all of those kids a quality of life or anything, after all! #quiverfulls
11/11/09
There's also a recursive element, in that having a lot of children is proof of God's favor. The movement takes its name from Psalm 127. The relevant lines are: Sons are a heritage from the LORD, children a reward from him. / Like arrows in the hands of a warrior
are sons born in one’s youth. /Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame
when they contend with their enemies in the gate. #quiverfulls
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Perhaps this is easy for me to say, though, since I'm an agnostic so I don't really believe there is any God calling me to do anything (I'm ambivalent on whether God exists, but I believe if there is one, ze doesn't really care about our day-to-day minutiae one way or another. #quiverfulls
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They don't have health insurance, or life insurance, or any money in the bank. When the father lost his job, they relied on my aunt to cover all of their expenses (incidentally, she too, is now broke). They totally believe that all of this was "God's will" and that Bill losing his job was a test of faith and a chance for the children to bond and for the family to grow closer. While I have no problem with people comforting themselves with the belief that the obsticles in their life are chances to grow as a person, and in their faith (how my mother puts it), I get the feeling that my cousins are just short sighted, slightly lazy people who are easily led.
Actually, that whole side of my family creeps me out.
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I too am fascinated as someone who was brought up in a less-conservative version of this culture. We were not really like this, but if we had followed our religious leaders instructions, we totally would have been. (However I do have some family members who are exactly like this.) #quiverfulls
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"The Duggars are followers of the evangelical Christian movement called Quiverful, which teaches that children are God’s blessing and that husbands and wives should happily welcome every child they are given."
[today.msnbc.msn.com] #quiverfulls
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So in one sense, yes, the Duggars are quiverfull, but I think it's totally fair to say they are not since they publicly deny being part of that movement. #quiverfulls
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The rhetoric has been around for longer than the movement. I don't think you can say that they get their ideas from the movement; they're two things coming from the same source, like Baptists and Methodists or something (obviously a faulty analogy). There were a lot of people who agreed with the general idea and identified with the quiverfull verse until that specific movement became prominent.
I'm not sure why they would say they're not part of the movement if they agree with all the belief; they're very public about their Gothard connection, which to me is even worse PR-wise. #quiverfulls
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'When I shut off my brain and became willing to do whatever Mark said, he was delighted. Absolutely delighted. And everything changed. Everything. The first thing he did was give me a list on how I was to clean the bathroom. I had daily chores and weekly chores from him, down to minute details.
I remember the first day I followed his list. I was humiliated. It was as if I was a child again and he was the parent. I told him that, too (in a humbled and submissive way, of course) and he smiled and said, "Exactly. Your parents did a terrible job of raising you when it comes to cleaning, and now God has given you to me so that I can raise you and help you become the way you should be."' #quiverfulls
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07/28/09
Secondly - There have been recent findings that people who obsess over healthy food, eating, restriction are in fact employing some of the same tactics/coping mechanisms of Anorexics, Addicts and so forth. It's called Ortorexia Nervosa. And like many addictions, diseases this is about control.
Do I know this woman? No, so I cant deny/hold up what she says about her addictions simply disappearing. It's not my place, what I can say is that there is no overnight cure all for addiction. Most programs will express that it can take your entire life to control your addiction. You are never really "cured" of it, if this helps her copse and get through life then BRAVO. But every person is different and I don't think Raw food will cure everyone of addiction or health issues, we are a hell of alot more complicated than that.
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