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Chamalla,barren crone
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
I've spent countless words defending the profession of teaching and teachers. It makes me sick that a handful of bad apples like this are going to make it harder for GOOD teachers to earn the respect and acknowledgment they deserve.

These stories get huge press, and it leads Rush Limbaugh to pull out all of his old "Librul Indoctrinating, Child Molesting, Too Stupid To Go To a Real Career Teachers Suck" meme.

Teachers: If you have any respect at all for your colleagues or your profession, keep it in your goddamned pants.
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jenilane
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
This is so going to be turned into a Grey's Anatomy style TV drama about teachers.
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
12/10/09

@jenilane: better Grey's Anatomy than Law and Order...
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raphaela
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
I walked into an old boss's office as she was honking a coworker's new boobs. Perfectly innocent, yes, just checking out how the silicone differed from nature, but still something I never needed to see. And, frankly, something that never should have been happening in an office. That's what restrooms and supply closets are for.
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colormeroutine
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
I went to this high school. My friends and I used to call it Rape High though, not Horndog High. Seriously, the shit that went on there was beyond the pale. Which we didn't figure out til we all got to college and would be telling stories that we thought were mostly funny, or at least par for the course, to people not from our neighborhood and watching their faces get progressively more horrified.
I mean things happen everywhere, but there they were just a constant. I wish I could figure out why.
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Penny
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
That article is so weird.

"She said, 'Are you crazy? With my Greek background, I would never do something like that. I have morals and respect.'"

A man who identified himself as Musacchio's boyfriend said he was unaware of the allegations.

"I try to stay out of her business."

Okay....
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BeckySharper
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
Gross. Had it been male teachers abusing female students, they never would have used that term.

I'm so sick of people assuming that boys are lucky or having fun when they're taken advantage of by adults.
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curiousgeorgiana
12/10/09

@BeckySharper: I think South Park covered this well. Response to a male teacher having sex with a female student: "Sick--get the perv."

Response to a female teacher having sex with a male student: "Niiiice".
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Penny
12/10/09

@BeckySharper: I'm curious about the calls and texts. They pulled her because they said the amount was inappropriate, but I am wondering about the content.
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BeckySharper
12/10/09

@Penny: Yeah, I wonder about that too. A teacher having lots of out-of-school contact with students is always a red flag, but it depends on what the context is.
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mbprice
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
[A classroom in Brooklyn. Spare, perhaps a desk with a globe, maybe a chalkboard. Two female teachers are in a state of undress. Enter Janitor.]

JANITOR: Whoa, hey now, what is this, my birthday or somethin'? Where's the cake, huh? Ain't you ladies s'posed to jump out a cake or some deal like that?

ALINI: What? No, get out of here, we're changing for the talent show!

JANITOR: He-e-e-y, I can see that, that's some talent ya got there!

CINDY: Get the hell out, creep!

JANITOR: Listen, lady, is this gonna play out like one a them Teacher's Sex Pets Schoolgirls Triple-X porno movies or what?

CINDY & ALINI: Leave right now!

JANITOR: Ain't this some bee-ess! I'm gonna call the cops on you prudish dames! That'll teach you to cocktease Clee Nerrup!

[Janitor turns to leave, knocks over his suds bucket with his foot, shrugs his shoulders, exits. Dim lights. End scene.]
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MsJanani
12/10/09

@mbprice: I can't help but feel like this is probably much closer to the real story here. But then again, it's so much less titilating to high school boys and NY Daily News readers.
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colormeroutine
12/10/09

@MsJanani: There would have been no reason for them to be changing for the "talent show" the show in question was actually an inter-grade musical theater competition (it's kind of a big deal with a lot of the city public schools) that teachers cannot take part in at all.
And if they had wanted to change for some other reason, they'd have keys to the staff bathrooms
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LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
Okay, inappropriate texting with a male student? Get her out of there.

But I don't really understand how two teachers getting together in an empty classroom is the stuff of suspensions and firing. Was it highly inappropriate? Yes, without question. But there were no kids around and these ladies are both consenting adults. I don't get why the whole student body had to find out about this incident when it was only three people involved originally--the two teachers and the janitor. Something stinks, here.
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curiousgeorgiana
12/10/09

@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: The article is beyond strange.

I agree with you-- fire her for the text messages. This "disrobing" with another teacher incident sounds like a rumor...
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EarlyGrey
12/10/09

@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: If they really were undressed or engaging in inappropriate behavior (though the being undressed is inappropriate behavior on its own!) I don't see any reason for the two teachers not to be fired. I don't work anywhere near children and I'm sure I'd be let go if I was found naked with a colleague in an empty office.
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colormeroutine
12/10/09

@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: You cannot have sex on school property. Period. The end. You just can't. And actually, both kids and their families were in the building. I mean, the classroom doors have clear glass windows. Anyone could have seen
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Lymed
12/10/09

@curiousgeorgiana: Previous articles mention that a janitor walked in on them and reported them. The school has confirmed there is an investigation.

It seems to me that it is more than a rumor. But it is still in investigation, so we really don't know what happened.
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Zombies make the heart grow fonder
12/10/09

@curiousgeorgiana: I agree with you all on the "rumor" aspect of this. It just seems unlikely and as though it is a product of revenge.
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curiousgeorgiana
12/10/09

@Lymed: Oh okay-- that's a little different then. The Daily News article is just so not specific. I wish I hadn't read the comments either.
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thePrototype
12/10/09

@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: Teachers have to sign morality clauses. Once I become a teacher I can be fired for being drunk at a night club and dancing with my husband.
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TimFritz
12/10/09

@EarlyGrey: I agree. Being naked in public AND having sex in public is against the law (at least in my state) no matter WHERE you are, or who might be around. Additionally, public schools are considered public property, you are not allowed to do this in public AT ALL. That they were behind a closed door with no children present doesn't change the fact that they broke the law.
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LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman
12/10/09

@thePrototype: I have been teaching for 8 years--in California, England and Washington State, and I have never had to sign a morality clause. I have seen my bosses drunk, and two females colleagues are currently living together--the boss was at their housewarming party.
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LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman
12/10/09

@TimFritz: Okay, this I can get behind. I wasn't thinking about that this morning!
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thePrototype
12/10/09

@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: I have been told that if a parent sees me drunk in public I can be reprimanded and potentially lose my job. Are you 100% sure there is nothing in your contract about how you act in public?
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CurtCole
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
I love how the Daily News found the least professional photos possible and made sure to crop them so each of their breasts are included in the photos. Journalism FAIL.
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UrbanAchiever
12/10/09

@CurtCole: Well, they had to show the weapons these people were using on their unsuspecting victims.
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curiousgeorgiana
12/10/09

@CurtCole: I'm sure if they could have found a picture of them hugging another woman or holding up a cocktail, they would have gone with that instead.
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HereComesMyBaby
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
Doesn't the name "Horndog High" technically describe every high school ever?
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LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman
12/10/09

@HereComesMyBaby: Yep. Pretty much.
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Zombies make the heart grow fonder
12/10/09

In reply to Don't Stand So Close
Oh are all three of these women homosexual? I thought I learned from David Cohen yesterday that homosexuals molest schoolchildren, not straight people? Gee. Funny how that works huh, Cohen.
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Jenloveshercurves
11/17/09

In reply to Animal House
I'm calling correlation equals not causation. Schools with co-ed residence halls are more likely to be state schools or fairly liberal private institutions that don't intrude on student's personal lives. Institutions with more single-sex residence halls are usually religiously based and most definitely take an interest in student's personal lives. Also, the researchers information on student's not sorting themselves out is faulty. Most institutions allow students to give preferences as to where they would like to be placed, so while students might not give single-sex housing first priority, students who want a quieter environment will say that they prefer single-sex living environments over the more raucous co-ed environments. Also, the students are sorting themselves out before they even choose on campus housing by choosing what institution they will go to. Are students who choose say BYU over the University of Ohio inherently different, yes. Are students who go to BYU over the University of Ohio more likely to live in single sex housing, oh most definitely. The study is far from reliable in this instance. Since this is my field, I have seen other research that illustrates when men at institutions that have a history of heavy drinking and destructive behaviors start living with females, destructive behaviors and heavy drinking begin to drop. This is just a bad study. #college
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Jenloveshercurves
11/17/09

@Jenloveshercurves: This is not to say that liberal institutions are concerned with student's personal lives, it's just that liberal institutions believe in not telling students what to do, but working with the consequences of students actions. IE: we aren't going to tell you to not have sex, but we are going to give you information on how to avoid STD's, pregnancy and other unwanted consequences and we aren't going to tell you to not drink, but you can't drink here and if your drinking has an affect on your school work or your living environment, there will be consequences, so here is how to drink in moderation. BYU would say, if you have premarital sex or drink, we're going to kick you out. #college
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GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
11/17/09

In reply to Animal House
I wonder which five schools they bothered to survey and how typical their housing policies are. #college
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tankearae
11/17/09

In reply to Animal House
This is all I have to say:
[honorcode.byu.edu] #college
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bowleserised
11/17/09

@tankearae: "A student who wishes to obtain a beard exception must visit a BYU Student Health Center doctor by appointment (422.5156). The doctor will fax his recommendation. The student then needs to come to the Honor Code Office to fill out some paperwork and receive the letter allowing the growth of the beard, if approved. If a yearly beard exception is granted, a new Student ID will be issued after the beard has been fully grown, and must be renewed every year by repeating the process.

If a request is granted for a temporary or more permanent beard exception the student will be notified by the Honor Code Office; at which time the student will come into the office to complete the necessary paperwork. After completion of this process the student may then grow a full beard according the guidelines given."

Strict on closet cases, eh? #college
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tankearae
11/17/09

@bowleserised: ha ha ha ha ha...!

The funny thing is, I once worked with a BYU grad who lobbyied to get this beard restriction out of the honor code. Or so he claimed.

I'm not sure if he was gay or not though. #college
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tankearae
11/17/09

@bowleserised: ha ha ha ha ha ah ha! #college
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elaborate bacon (princessprissypants)
11/17/09

@bowleserised: #college
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bowleserised
11/18/09

@elaborate bacon (princessprissypants): Oh, perfect! #college
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sonrisa86156
11/17/09

In reply to Animal House
I went to a catholic college with very strict single sex dorms and parietals. It didn't stop us from continually being listed as on of the top US colleges for alcohol consumption.

I agree with @bunsen honeydew - lets not jugde BYU, living within a mile radius of your best friends, without parents or real responsiblity minus the whole grades thing = party time. #college
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morninggloria
11/17/09

@sonrisa86156: We may have attended the same school (is it in Indiana? Mine was). And we made parietals breaking a game, especially junior year when we had a quad with a bathroom. #college
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sonrisa86156
11/17/09

@morninggloria: haha, i went to school in RI, but breaking parietals was definitely the norm. Boys would climb into windows and scale the sides of buildings. Ridiculous.

There was also such a double standard, girls dorms had a security guard signing in guest, but male dorms had no one, girls just had to be "out" of rooms at 1am. Girls dorms however were checked. #college
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