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jooly
07/20/09

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Who does the stoning? Is it done by executioners, or does the general public do it? I just can't imagine throwing stones at some poor woman until she died. What is wrong with people?
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CatherineSloper
07/20/09

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"Note: The Muslim pilgrims pictured are stoning a pillar as part of a religious ceremony; they are not participating in an execution."

So why use this photo at all? What does it add to the article or the discussion at hand? For me, this is uncomfortably close to perpetuating the idea that all Muslims are violent and primitive (especially considering the "Heil Hitler" arm positions).
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Pandorasvoicebox
07/20/09

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How can they do this to someone who just had a CHILD, leaving the poor thing motherless? According to the article, "She persuaded the court that if she returned to the Gulf state she and her child would be subject to capital punishment under Sharia law." Um, so not only does the Saudi government support stoning women for adultery, they also condemn the BABIES?

I give up.
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morninggloria
07/20/09

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Nothing makes me want to buy a hybrid car like reading about how terrible things are for women in Saudi Arabia.
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howdybeep (runs with monkey wrenches)
07/20/09

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Sometimes, when I watch Star Trek or read a book with a united-Earth concept, I think about how impossible it is that such a dream will come to fruition. We are living in twenty-first century, where I can beam my thoughts across the internet -- and women like this Saudi princess can be murdered via a crowd casting stone for the crime of having a child out of wedlock.

I despair on days like today.
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Alessar
07/20/09

@howdybeep (runs with monkey wrenches): Well said.
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Pilsu
07/20/09

The article explicitly states that she's married yet conceived a child with another man. Now, death penalty is of course absurd but I would not despair over a person getting punished for a calculated act of betrayal
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formergr
07/20/09

@Pilsu: I'm truly curious-- do you think Americans who cheat on their spouses should also be punished?

You've stated that the death penalty is taking such punishment absurdly too far-- but if that's the case, what punishment do you see as fitting for adultery?
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queenjulie
07/20/09

@Pilsu: You think having consensual sex with someone you aren't married to should be a criminal act? Seriously?
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Pilsu
07/21/09

@formergr: It is a difficult matter. Pain has been deliberately caused so some compensation at the very least seems appropriate. I suppose the easiest way would be to determine whether one party is blatantly to blame for the ensuing divorce and treat the following financial and custody issues in the context of that. I would not entrust children or a large share of the common funds to a betrayer as long as divorce is a valid legal option. I would probably also make the reason behind the divorce available in public records in such cases as fair warning to anyone else intending to wed said person but I suppose that might violate some section of your constitution. Marriage is a powerful legal contract, I do not believe justice is being served if the party breaching it via adultery or worse, cuckolding gets no punishment. I might add some of your states force the husband to pay child support even if DNA evidence proves that he is not related to the child in question. Prenuptial agreements can be made void simply by the judge arbitrarily defining them as "unjust," something which renders them rather impotent to say the least.

Now, I'm not familiar with the Saudi marriage habits or the legality of divorce in the region but as I said, I would not despair over a traitor getting his or her due. The existence of forced marriage and treatment of daughters as property seems like a more appropriate culprit for such feelings. Two wrongs don't really make a right here.

I wonder how the Saudi men feel about forced marriage
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LaFemme
07/20/09

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Well, it doesn't sound like a great idea to make public deals for the additional reason that it threatens the safety of the woman seeking asylum. I would prefer to see this woman protected, and remain as anonymous as possible, than have her case thrown about in the media as a means of condemning the Saudi government. Especially since she is a royal. The Saud family could feel even more embarassed and therefore more likely to send someone to hunt her down and kill her. And they certainly have the resources to do so.
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Anna N.
07/20/09

@LaFemme: Absolutely, it makes sense for her to have anonymity. But there are ways to put pressure on the Saudi government without revealing the names of asylum-seekers. It's admirable that Britain helps women who actually make it to Britain, but women in Saudi Arabia are still subject to draconian punishments.
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sportz.star
07/20/09

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I'm glad the administration is softening the stance on asylum for abuse victims. The irony, however, that we'll protect people from being murdered by their own governments while maintaining our own government-sanctioned capital punishment regime iis too much for me, though. Hopefully we'll fully evolve at some point.
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Laulau
07/20/09

@sportz.star: To be fair, I do not believe that the UK executes people for adultery. I am absolutely opposed to the death penalty, but it's a far cry from extramarital sex to capitally-punished murders.
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gherkinfiend
07/20/09

@Laulau: The UK stopped applying the death penalty in 1964. All EU member states have to have banned capital punishment to qualify to join.

Many asylum cases are granted in the UK from all round the world when someone is threatened with death in their own country. It's one of the few things I feel quite pleased with our current government on.
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Laulau
07/20/09

@gherkinfiend: Thanks, that's helpful - I didn't think the UK used the death penalty, but really didn't know either way. I assume sportz.star was referring to the US. It's really quite disturbing how many otherwise thoughtful and liberal people here support the death penalty. I can't say how I'd react if a member of my own family were brutally murdered, but I've never understood why that was supposed to be a good benchmark for justice in the first place.
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Anna N.
07/20/09

@gherkinfiend: The UK stopped applying the death penalty in 1964. All EU member states have to have banned capital punishment to qualify to join.

Wish the US would do the same.
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sportz.star
07/20/09

@Laulau: Yes, thanks -- I was being referential to where *I* am and re: the US policy, speaking of how we still have CP while most "civilized" (I hate that term - -industrialized is perhaps better) nations, including the UK, do not.
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mbprice
07/20/09

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Cheap oil? Not hardly, if this is the price we pay for our silence.
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queenjulie
07/20/09

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The fact that making "public such deals 'would...highlight the persecution of women in Saudi Arabia, which would...lead to embarrassing publicity for both governments" makes me want to cry.
If every world leader got together and said, "Hey, Saudi Arabia, how about you stop murdering women?" maybe it would be less embarrassing for them.
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Maritsa
07/20/09

@queenjulie:Can't call Saudi Arabia out on their treatment of women, because (1) they're our supposed "ally" in the "war on terror" and (2) they have oil. Wait. Switch those.
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Cimorene
07/20/09

@queenjulie: Seriously. It is far more embarrassing to sit by and say nothing in the face of gross violations of human rights, and disgusting misogyny.

Oh wait, that's basically what every government does. See also: torture in the US, the US military's response to sexual assault of female service members, etc etc.
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ObtuseIntolerant
12/16/08

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Go Lily Allen!

Outgrowing your friends is hard...and it sounds lonely...but when you become more comfortable with yourself, it is harder to feel lonely.
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STICKSnSCONES
12/16/08

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Pete Wentz I live in the Boogie Down and I am pretty sure that if the Bronx knew you, it wouldn't like you. So enough already.

You gave your kid a stupid name- stop trying to justify it!
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morninggloria
12/16/08

@STICKSnSCONES: HA
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Majrhoulihan
12/16/08

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OH NOES! Colombo!
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morninggloria
12/16/08

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Good thing Naomi and Liev named their new son Samuel Kai, because if they would have named him Cobra Kai they probably would have had some problems with the little guy karate chopping all over the place.
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heykoukla
12/16/08

@morninggloria: And boy would he show NO MERCY!!!
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theruraljuror
12/16/08

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Man, if I was rich, I'd have leftovers all the time. EVERYTHING is better the day after. I'd have my chef make food, hold it for a day, then reheat it upon meal time. For serious.
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million.dollar.mouth.
12/16/08

@theruraljuror: WORD. Especially chilli, and soups and stews. Oh, yeah, and homemade pasta sause. Mmmmm.....
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tscheese
12/16/08

@sammyboombaladdy: OMG. Soups, stews, curries, etc are ALWAYS better the next day. The veggies get even tenderer and all the flavors mingle in more and oh nom nom nom nom.
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BabyJane
12/16/08

@theruraljuror: Food is almost always better the next day ESPECIALLY when eaten for breakfast.
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hellosunshine
12/16/08

@theruraljuror: I made a ridiculously good casserole last night, and I'm so excited because now I have leftovers this week!
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happymisanthrope
12/16/08

@BabyJane: especially cold pizza... now, excuse me but i have to order from pizza hut just so i can have breakfast for the week.
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BabyJane
12/16/08

@happymisanthrope: My husband ordered a pizza last night so I actually have 4 slices in the fridge! Guess which room I'm going to right now? If you answered the kitchen you would be correct!
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theruraljuror
12/16/08

@hellodarling!: mmm casserole.

i'm partial to mac and cheese leftover. and pizza.
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Plum-Pie
12/16/08

@theruraljuror: @sammyboombaladdy: @tscheese: I'm having friends round for dinner tonight - they're getting chicken and chorizo stew with roasted peppers, smoked paprika and chili flakes, tomatos, onionsandgarlic, potatos, carrots, butternut squash. I made it yesterday.

The NY Times told me to squeeze lemon juice on cold leftover pizza for picnic food. I say, too good to save for a fine day.
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TriedandTrue
12/16/08

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Pete Wentz just cemented his D-Bag status for me with that last quote.
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