@Ri_L: Haha. That was a typo; I decided against the back to back apostrophes for slang dialect and am sleep deprived.
Not only does it serve me right, but I'm greatly relieved to know there's a section of the populace that's completely immune. Let's all be Emis!
I can't get worked about that book after seeing this one recently [littledemocrats.net]
At least the crazy Republican book lets a lady be governor, the crazy Democrat book is strangely gendered (Mommy makes you share your toys, just like the Democrats while Daddy does nothing in his version).
Because kids who read picture books have a really good understanding of journalism, political campaigns, capitalist business principles and tax policy.
I read WWII books all the time, and the more I read from the German perspective, the more it freaks me out. Hitler believed Prussians were elitist, with their fancy military schools, and their fancy accents. Bavarians were the real Germans, who lived close to the land, didn't have fancy educations, and talked like real people talk. I'm pretty sure Palin isn't the next Hitler, but she has some of his talking points down pat.
Its also strange though to me that liberals, Democrats and the like are not understanding that there is a fear of change brewing in this country, which to be honest, I can understand. For a 70 year old person, who lives in a small suburb somewhere, I can imagine that watching this country evolve into what it is, with civil rights, technology, etc could be "scary". And I would hope that we could all in some way understand that and then see how to help people understand the necessity of change. I think that somehow we have just expected people to get it and what has occurred instead is the pandering to people who are slightly confused by said change and they have now become bait for conservatives and the scheisters like Beck and Limbaugh.
@ArtfulSlinger: Eh, in fairness these are some of the same people who may have learned in school that President Truman was advocating for healthcare reforms, saw their public schools and places desegregated, lived through the Civil Rights era of the '60's and have adjusted to amazing growth in technological innovations over their lives. Obviously society is more progressive now than it was back in 1940, but if you could measure the rate at which it's "progressing," I don't think things are changing more quickly than they used to. And for all the changes that were made, there were fights, and who do you think was fighting them?
I was raised by my white grandparents in a small suburb of a Rust Belt city. They are in their early 70's and shoot off forwards to me containing links to YouTube videos of various TeaParty idiots dressed in "Founding Father" costumes. My grandma demands to know where Obama's birth certificate is, and my grandpa works himself into an apoplectic rage every time his tax dollars go to any sort of social program, despite the fact that he has a brother and a daughter who owe their lives to disability and medicaid/medicare(?) benefits.
My grandma does complain that America is no longer great, and reminisces about how simple things were in the 50's. When I asked her about segregated schools though, her reply is: "well, we live up North, and that was in the South, so that wasn't really our problem, it didn't really involve me." Of course, it was up north too, and my newlywed grandparents fled to the 'burbs as it was happening. And when I mentioned seeing Gloria Steinem on Oprah, interested to hear my Grandma's impressions of the earlier feminist movement she told me "Gloria Steinem was unattractive, and ugly people say ugly and vulgar things."
So, I think perhaps you are being too charitable and maybe even paternalistic regarding at least the senior citizens who listen to Limbaugh, and consider themselves the "real Americans." Anna was right, populism among "salt of the earth" -- (my grandma's words) folks, and "fear of change" has been used by some of these older, whiter people before.
P.S. My response wasn't really long because I was ranty at you, but rather at my grandparents. I occasionally use Jezebel as free therapy. Sorry.
I just sustained a minor concussion from head-desking.
what american dream? they are crushing several of MY american dreams - the separation of church and state, my reproductive rights, racial and gender equality, etc.
According to him, the presence of so many Asians and Pacific Islanders made her uncomfortable: 'They were a minority type thing and it wasn't glamorous, so she came home."'
I can't believe I'm defending her in any way (way to go, Dad...what an asshole) but why is it unacceptable for white people to feel alienated among people of another race, culture, educational, or class group, but it's okay for non-whites who write about how alienated they feel in a predominately white school, town, etc?
That said, I hate her and she makes me sick, and what she represents makes me sick.
@maude_flanders: Like so many things, it comes down to power structures and who is the privileged group. If a white person feels uncomfortable among a lot of minorities, it's easily interpreted as them being uncomfortable that their sense of privilege being challenged. (I live in a town that has moved from being white-majority to minority-majority, so I see this first-hand.) It may not feel like that to them -- it probably just feels like being uncomfortable with people with whom they have nothing in common. But it's the structure of our society itself that keeps them from feeling they have something in common with minorities in the first place.
However, if a minority feels uncomfortable in a white-dominated environment, it can be because their lack of privilege is all-too apparent in such situations. They may feel the subtle ways racism plays out in situations that aren't overtly racist -- being a token or a curiosity or a stand-in for their whole race.
My family loves going to Hawaii because we are mixed-race and no one ever questions us about it there.
@girlleastlikelyto: @Isoperla: So feeling out of place, possibly having no one to talk to and feeling self conscious are all on par with "death stares" at someone?
And the discomfort of an individual white person doesn't count because it's a deserved experience for unearned privilege? What happened to, two wrongs don't make a right?
I think it's stupid that non-white authors (hell, didn't Obama write something to the same effect?) can write openly about the discomfort of being with a group of a different race....because automatically it implies those people think differently, or see you as a "token." Why is it less sympathetic when a white person feels similarly unwelcome (or at least, conspicuous), even a dumbass like Sarah Palin?
@maude_flanders: Nowhere did I say that someone's discomfort "doesn't count" -- in fact, I tried to validate such discomfort by saying that someone might not perceive underlying power structures when they feel uncomfortable and the reasons for their discomfort not being entirely their fault.
There is a difference in how situations can be perceived, however. You can't look at the two situations as being opposite sides of the same coin -- the way our society has historically been structured makes them two separate coins entirely. (White people's discomfort about being around minorities was responsible for tangible policies -- like enforced segregation and discriminatory laws -- while minorities' discomfort about being around white people is responsible for, what? A chapter in someone's memoir?) It doesn't seem fair to me, either, but there are disadvantages that come with being in a privileged class. You know how we say that the patriarchy hurts men, too? It's the same with racial power structures.
Everyone -- white or otherwise -- needs to ask what's behind their discomfort with other races and figure out if it's the specific situation or deeper set issues that have little to do with he actual people they're around.
Marxus Obundus? Oh, you can do better than that, Katharine DeBrecht! You need to work Hitler in there somewhere if you want to have a shot at the Conservative Self Parody Belt. There are a LOT of really good contenders this year, so step up your game!
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EDIT: Oops, just clicked all discussions and noticed five commenters already gave this reply to JDRegents "rhetorical comment." Damn two-tier system.
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Well. I see someone on Ms. Palin's staff is up on both their Huxley reading and their brand management lessons from Mattel.
*shudder*
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Not only does it serve me right, but I'm greatly relieved to know there's a section of the populace that's completely immune. Let's all be Emis!
11/30/09
At least the crazy Republican book lets a lady be governor, the crazy Democrat book is strangely gendered (Mommy makes you share your toys, just like the Democrats while Daddy does nothing in his version).
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I read WWII books all the time, and the more I read from the German perspective, the more it freaks me out. Hitler believed Prussians were elitist, with their fancy military schools, and their fancy accents. Bavarians were the real Germans, who lived close to the land, didn't have fancy educations, and talked like real people talk. I'm pretty sure Palin isn't the next Hitler, but she has some of his talking points down pat.
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"WTF Mom! The Asshole Bigots Next Door Keep Trying To Give Me Literature And Make Me Eat Venison! Can We Move?!"
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I was raised by my white grandparents in a small suburb of a Rust Belt city. They are in their early 70's and shoot off forwards to me containing links to YouTube videos of various TeaParty idiots dressed in "Founding Father" costumes. My grandma demands to know where Obama's birth certificate is, and my grandpa works himself into an apoplectic rage every time his tax dollars go to any sort of social program, despite the fact that he has a brother and a daughter who owe their lives to disability and medicaid/medicare(?) benefits.
My grandma does complain that America is no longer great, and reminisces about how simple things were in the 50's. When I asked her about segregated schools though, her reply is: "well, we live up North, and that was in the South, so that wasn't really our problem, it didn't really involve me." Of course, it was up north too, and my newlywed grandparents fled to the 'burbs as it was happening. And when I mentioned seeing Gloria Steinem on Oprah, interested to hear my Grandma's impressions of the earlier feminist movement she told me "Gloria Steinem was unattractive, and ugly people say ugly and vulgar things."
So, I think perhaps you are being too charitable and maybe even paternalistic regarding at least the senior citizens who listen to Limbaugh, and consider themselves the "real Americans." Anna was right, populism among "salt of the earth" -- (my grandma's words) folks, and "fear of change" has been used by some of these older, whiter people before.
P.S. My response wasn't really long because I was ranty at you, but rather at my grandparents. I occasionally use Jezebel as free therapy. Sorry.
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what american dream? they are crushing several of MY american dreams - the separation of church and state, my reproductive rights, racial and gender equality, etc.
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I can't believe I'm defending her in any way (way to go, Dad...what an asshole) but why is it unacceptable for white people to feel alienated among people of another race, culture, educational, or class group, but it's okay for non-whites who write about how alienated they feel in a predominately white school, town, etc?
That said, I hate her and she makes me sick, and what she represents makes me sick.
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However, if a minority feels uncomfortable in a white-dominated environment, it can be because their lack of privilege is all-too apparent in such situations. They may feel the subtle ways racism plays out in situations that aren't overtly racist -- being a token or a curiosity or a stand-in for their whole race.
My family loves going to Hawaii because we are mixed-race and no one ever questions us about it there.
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And the discomfort of an individual white person doesn't count because it's a deserved experience for unearned privilege? What happened to, two wrongs don't make a right?
I think it's stupid that non-white authors (hell, didn't Obama write something to the same effect?) can write openly about the discomfort of being with a group of a different race....because automatically it implies those people think differently, or see you as a "token." Why is it less sympathetic when a white person feels similarly unwelcome (or at least, conspicuous), even a dumbass like Sarah Palin?
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There is a difference in how situations can be perceived, however. You can't look at the two situations as being opposite sides of the same coin -- the way our society has historically been structured makes them two separate coins entirely. (White people's discomfort about being around minorities was responsible for tangible policies -- like enforced segregation and discriminatory laws -- while minorities' discomfort about being around white people is responsible for, what? A chapter in someone's memoir?) It doesn't seem fair to me, either, but there are disadvantages that come with being in a privileged class. You know how we say that the patriarchy hurts men, too? It's the same with racial power structures.
Everyone -- white or otherwise -- needs to ask what's behind their discomfort with other races and figure out if it's the specific situation or deeper set issues that have little to do with he actual people they're around.
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