As someone who grew up raising chickens, I hope that she has an abnormally large back yard so that her chicken hutch can be a good distance from her house. Chicken shit is entirely in its own category of stink. Also, the notion of roosters crowing in the morning? False. They crow at all times. #urbanfarms
@morninggloria: Naw, chickens - being mostly grain and bug eaters - aren't that bad. Spend some time near a pig sty or a dog kennel and chicken shit smells like perfume from France.
The teeny feathers that make the air seem thick and the sheer volume of guano chickens can put out is impressive, though. In a bad way.
And true that about roosters crowing about nothing in particular all the damn time. #urbanfarms
@KLondike5: Maybe it's something in my body's chemistry that just cannot stand the smell of chicken shit. It makes me wretch.
We also had sheep, rabbits, dogs, and cats, and we'd milk my grandparents' cows every night, and my cousins who lived in Iowa had pigs, and none of their shit made me want to vomit quite as much as chicken poo did. #urbanfarms
@morninggloria: I think you're on to something. You reminded me that I once had a conversation with a big bunch of people who were all former Midwestern farm kids and the subject of animal poo came up. There were a couple of people who insisted that chicken poop was the most vile and the rest of us were all "what? that stuff?"
Maybe it's like how cilantro tastes fine to some people and to others it's like leafy green poison. #urbanfarms
@squeakel: If you are raising the chickens for meat, you may want some roosters around. They're bigger and butchering a rooster doesn't eliminate a potential egg source. #urbanfarms
@morninggloria: Yep. My family did that. We got chicks in the spring, slaughtered the roosters when they reached the 'poussin' age, ate those, then had eggs all summer. Then, because we didn't keep chickens over the winter, we slaughtered the hens in the autumn.
Maybe you can buy a box of chicks that are all females, but I bet they aren't easy to find. #urbanfarms
@morninggloria: I know! I'm sitting here in a suit, surrounded by financial analysis stuff, thinking about going to the feed store and getting a box of peepers. It's cognitive dissonance like whoa. #urbanfarms
I went to this yesterday, the people who set it up did an amazing job. It was perfect. There were even people dressed up as all the characters. Not to mention, the kids were so cute and excited!
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I've always thought prostitution should be legal. It's a victimless crime. Sorry, but if it's consensual (and only adults can consent), it's victimless. Sure you can make the argument that its exploitive, but you can say that about practically anything and its purely subjective. If a woman doesn't want to give it up for free, she shouldn't have to. If a man wants to pay for it, he should be allowed to.
As for traffiking...that's a whole different story. Human traffiking isn't ok and should be stopped. I wonder why they tied all those things together in one Proposition? So it failed?
Just because you're a prostitute doesn't mean you want everyone to know you're a prostitute, so I'm not convinced that legalization will really increase rates of reporting.
Legalization in the Netherlands and Germany has led to increased forced and child prostitution because it is easier to make false documents for a woman to work in a legal brothel than to hide a totally illegal activity. 70+% of the sex workers in both countries are foreign.
When you test sex workers but not the johns, you are protecting the johns, not the sex workers. They still face a risk of transmission. It is treating sex workers as the vectors of disease rather than part of the cycle of disease, which I don't find progressive.
I don't think legalized prostitution works, but really my objection is moral. I think there are some things you shouldn't be able to sell (organs, children, sex) because the fact that you are willing to sell them suggests that you are in such dire straits that you aren't really making a free decision. There are a lot of blogs by educated, together prostitutes but the research out there shows that most prostitutes are in have a history of sexual abuse, substance abuse or mental health issues far above the national average. I've visited a bunch of pro-sex work blogs run by sex workers and all of the ones I read included a post about the number of times pre-sex work they'd been raped. I don't think that's just a coincidence and I'm not comfortable with the government profiting off a profession that is so fueled by past abuse.
The Dutch situation is way better for the prostitutes now that it is legal. I feel like saluting a windmill, our sex workers are proud of paying taxes and get regular check ups. Are there still shitty exploity situations? Of course, but something that has been intertwined with low lifes and criminal organisations for centuries won't become clean in a jiffy.
Hello ladies, the Kiwi checking in. Only difference I really have noticed since the Prostitution Law Reform Act came in is that now they openly advertise in papers. And true about isolation preventing trafficing, but we have the Maori girls who often see it as their only option to fuel massive P (pure meth habits)
The ladies have their areas (Karangahape Road in Auckland, and Manchester St in Christchurch) that they frequent and solict from, but a lot seem to now work from home.
The only real problem of its now is where do the brothels go- people are complaining when they are in centre of town, but they are prevented from being in the 'burbs. But other than that, it seems to be working well. +1 for the Labour Gov on this point!
I do so very much love my country for legalising prostitution; our current government has had a good run, these past nine years.
I was and am for the legalisation of prostitution as a means of providing legal rights and protection to sex workers. Obviously it has existed since the Bible, yet all these years where prostitution has been illegal have done little to protect the workers or prevent its existence.
While I don't entirely buy into the empowerment argument for pornography and prostitution, the idea that sex workers face prosecution and social denigration for itching a scratch that their johns rarely do is unfuckingfair.
Also, if prostitution is legalised, it allows organisations to be above the table, opening them up to government regulation (hence the laws regarding sexual health). It also ensures that workers are entitled to rights, which although I can't guarantee they necessarily receive, at least provides them with the protection of the legal system God forbid should they ever need it.
In my philosophy class last year, we had a guest speaker from the Prostitutes Collective who spoke about how the UN was still teaching women in South East Asia classes
on flower arrangement as a means to prevent them from entering the sex industry; that shit is obvs. ignorant. The reasons people enter the sex industry are vast and varied, but need they suffer legal as well as social discrimination? Obviously prostitution will never really go away but at least by legalising it, we can hope to reform it, providing rights to the sex workers in the process. That is something I'd like to see in action.
@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith is not your Bible Spice: Do ya know what else I love? That an openly gay man sponsered this bill. This makes me feel better about some areas of NZ society. Now just make Brian Tamaki go away.
yeah, that proposal doesn't seem to do anything to really help the situation (by empowering women) and does nothing to hinder the bad parts (i.e. investigating trafficking).
I second (third? fourth?) the idea of cracking down on pimping. I would also add that if authorities are serious about cracking down on trafficking in persons, then they should apply the same penalties to that as they do to people who traffic in narcotics or arms. (in the US, drug dealers can get all their assets seized and can serve up to a life sentence).
Hey - it looks like we're stuck with the War on Drugs and the PATRIOT Act, we may as well use them to do some good in the world.
This sounds like a very badly crafted proposal that would make it much harder for law enforcement to investigate trafficking. I hope it's voted down because it just sounds like it's not very well thought out.
I am all for legalizing sex work, but not without regulation. One of my main reasons for being pro-legalization is so that the sex industry can be regulated. Just making it legal without any regulation is, in my eyes, throwing sex workers to the dogs. I do see the logic, "prostitution is a victimless crime" and whatnot... but the rapes and murders and assorted other shit commonly visited upon sex workers are not. Making it legal so that you can ignore it helps no one.
@AbJams: yeah I agree. I'm not about to become some free market purist on just this issue. Failure to regulate is ridiculous. Does anyone know why the SF law is written this way?
@AbJams: I remember hearing a young sex worker speak at a conference I attended when I was 16 and her talk still affects me today. She emphasized over and over again that in her experience, prostitution was not a victimless crime by any stretch of the imagination. Now, I of course realize that there are sex workers that choose the profession, but the very fact that there are so many who do not, who are suffering from addiction and mental illness, who rick their bodily safety from the Johns and pimps every time they go on the street means to me that a system without regulation is insane. The people who would not suffer from unregulated decriminalization who not suffer from regulated decriminalization, either. But the women who are already suffering and being abused and exploited, they would definitely be thrown into a potentially even more dangerous world. If there is regulations, adequate health care, programs for those leaving the sex industry, addictions and mental health support etc, then prostitutes might really benefit from not being criminalized any further.
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The teeny feathers that make the air seem thick and the sheer volume of guano chickens can put out is impressive, though. In a bad way.
And true that about roosters crowing about nothing in particular all the damn time. #urbanfarms
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We also had sheep, rabbits, dogs, and cats, and we'd milk my grandparents' cows every night, and my cousins who lived in Iowa had pigs, and none of their shit made me want to vomit quite as much as chicken poo did. #urbanfarms
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Maybe it's like how cilantro tastes fine to some people and to others it's like leafy green poison. #urbanfarms
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You don't need a rooster unless you want fertile eggs, though. #urbanfarms
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Maybe you can buy a box of chicks that are all females, but I bet they aren't easy to find. #urbanfarms
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As for traffiking...that's a whole different story. Human traffiking isn't ok and should be stopped. I wonder why they tied all those things together in one Proposition? So it failed?
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Legalization in the Netherlands and Germany has led to increased forced and child prostitution because it is easier to make false documents for a woman to work in a legal brothel than to hide a totally illegal activity. 70+% of the sex workers in both countries are foreign.
When you test sex workers but not the johns, you are protecting the johns, not the sex workers. They still face a risk of transmission. It is treating sex workers as the vectors of disease rather than part of the cycle of disease, which I don't find progressive.
I don't think legalized prostitution works, but really my objection is moral. I think there are some things you shouldn't be able to sell (organs, children, sex) because the fact that you are willing to sell them suggests that you are in such dire straits that you aren't really making a free decision. There are a lot of blogs by educated, together prostitutes but the research out there shows that most prostitutes are in have a history of sexual abuse, substance abuse or mental health issues far above the national average. I've visited a bunch of pro-sex work blogs run by sex workers and all of the ones I read included a post about the number of times pre-sex work they'd been raped. I don't think that's just a coincidence and I'm not comfortable with the government profiting off a profession that is so fueled by past abuse.
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The ladies have their areas (Karangahape Road in Auckland, and Manchester St in Christchurch) that they frequent and solict from, but a lot seem to now work from home.
The only real problem of its now is where do the brothels go- people are complaining when they are in centre of town, but they are prevented from being in the 'burbs.
But other than that, it seems to be working well. +1 for the Labour Gov on this point!
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I was and am for the legalisation of prostitution as a means of providing legal rights and protection to sex workers. Obviously it has existed since the Bible, yet all these years where prostitution has been illegal have done little to protect the workers or prevent its existence.
While I don't entirely buy into the empowerment argument for pornography and prostitution, the idea that sex workers face prosecution and social denigration for itching a scratch that their johns rarely do is unfuckingfair.
Also, if prostitution is legalised, it allows organisations to be above the table, opening them up to government regulation (hence the laws regarding sexual health). It also ensures that workers are entitled to rights, which although I can't guarantee they necessarily receive, at least provides them with the protection of the legal system God forbid should they ever need it.
In my philosophy class last year, we had a guest speaker from the Prostitutes Collective who spoke about how the UN was still teaching women in South East Asia classes
on flower arrangement as a means to prevent them from entering the sex industry; that shit is obvs. ignorant. The reasons people enter the sex industry are vast and varied, but need they suffer legal as well as social discrimination? Obviously prostitution will never really go away but at least by legalising it, we can hope to reform it, providing rights to the sex workers in the process. That is something I'd like to see in action.
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I second (third? fourth?) the idea of cracking down on pimping. I would also add that if authorities are serious about cracking down on trafficking in persons, then they should apply the same penalties to that as they do to people who traffic in narcotics or arms. (in the US, drug dealers can get all their assets seized and can serve up to a life sentence).
Hey - it looks like we're stuck with the War on Drugs and the PATRIOT Act, we may as well use them to do some good in the world.
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