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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
02:35 AM

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
You know, as much as I dislike admitting it, Prejean kind of has a point in regards to Obama: irrespective of what we may think he may privately believe, he hasn't actually publicly supported gay marriage. And not doing so for political gain is a veeery cynical move, and say what you will about Prejean, but I personally don't think that she has the capacity for such cynicism.

This is not to 'endorse' her or 'attack' Obama or whatever (and I actually can't even believe I have to state this as a disclaimer), but a runner-up beauty queen doesn't really have the same power or influence as the POTUS, and that's a very crucial point to make.

(I kind of totes believe her on the Trump thing, tho. That man is a creeper, through and through!) #carrieprejean
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pesematology
12:24 AM

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
"legally recognized sacrament"

see, when you put it this way it just sounds plain ol' unconstitutional. #carrieprejean
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first man
02:20 AM

I don't even understand marriage's place in the Constitution anyway, if there is to be no establishment of religion.

I am of the idea that the government shouldn't really get involved in marriage AT ALL...other than a marriage certificate being considered as legal proof for hospital visitation and the like. CIVIL UNIONS, from gay and straight couples, should be legally recognized. Marriage? That should be up to whatever church or organization marries you. If, say, civil unions were legal for anyone, but the Catholic church decided not to marry gays, fine. They can be a private institution. But the government has to marry anybody...which then gets into polygamy, which is insane and all, but I'm of the opinion that consenting adults can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anybody else. *whew*
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
02:41 AM

@first man: But civil unions ARE legal for everyone, aren't they? (Well, in the states where they actually have them, of course) #carrieprejean
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Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC
11/10/09

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
Oh, Carrie please go diddle yourself into pseudo-celebrity oblivion. I've grown tired of you. #carrieprejean
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maude_flanders
11/10/09

I want to hurt everyone who somehow thinks "marriage" is only a sacrament. Sorry, assholes, if you don't want gays getting married in your Church, great. Why the fuck don't they come out against heteros married by judges or other non-religious officials?

Am I missing something? Why exactly can they still claim "marriage" as something that belongs to them, exclusively?

@Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: Seconded. She's as boring and stupid as every other cretin who makes themselves famous by being pretty (or plastic...Speidi?) on the outside, REALLY stupid on the inside, but all I can think when I see her (or Sarah Palin) is, "Fuck off, little girl. Go away, go away, go away." #carrieprejean
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kookla
11/10/09

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
Spoiler alert. Some of us are only on Season 2 of Mad Men.

Of course, I kid. It would have been so easy for me to not read it. It was just too tempting! #carrieprejean
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GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
11/10/09

@kookla: DAMMMMMMIT. Too late! Your warning was the first thing I read after reading the first line of that item. Boo. #carrieprejean
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KATE!
11/10/09

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
"I believed then and I believe now that marriage should be a legally recognized sacrament between a man and a woman. If that makes me a bigot, so is Barack Obama."

whoa whoa whoa, miss prejean back the truck up. legally recognized sacrament? sacrament = church, legal = state. never the twain shall meet. theres that pesky little thing called the first amendment of the us constitution.

although i agree with the second part of her statement (i cant believe i just wrote that). obama has a virtually identical position on gay marriage. just because he doesn't sound the moral panic alarm or scream at the hysterical pitch of miss prejean, he has no intention of repealing doma in the near future and has defended marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. its not so simple as a red state/blue state division. there are plenty of anti-gay rights democrats. #carrieprejean
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mordicai
11/10/09

@KATE!: Geez, I hate to be put in a position where I have to say Prejean is spot on...so I'll comment here & say that YOU are spot on. #carrieprejean
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GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
11/10/09

@mordicai: Also, marriage is only a sacrament for Catholics and Orthodox Christians. Perhaps Prejean is Catholic, but she has been speaking at mainly fundamentalist Christian churches. It would be really disappointing if, in addition to being being bigoted, she was basing her beliefs on mistaken interpretation of Church doctrine. #carrieprejean
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yvanehtnioj
11/10/09

@KATE!: Thanks for saying this. She might be much stupider than Obama, but they do have pretty much the same stance on gay marriage and of the two of them, he's the one who actually has the power to make some changes. So, you know, all the outrage at her saying they have the same position is kind of ridick. #carrieprejean
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morninggloria
11/10/09

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
Carrie Prejean is just like Barack Obama, except Barack Obama doesn't have fake tits or a masturbation tape. And he doesn't refuse to show up for work and get fired for sucking. #carrieprejean
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whats_in_a_name
11/10/09

@morninggloria: That you know of....I doubt he does, but as my physic teacher in HS was fond of saying "the absence of proof is not proof of absence". #carrieprejean
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mfnher
11/10/09

@whats_in_a_name: See Glenn Beck and how he raped and murdered that poor girl back in 1990. Why won't he show the evidence that proves his innocence?! #carrieprejean
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Andalucía
11/10/09

@mfnher: You're using the fictional raping of a young girl as political fun? That's fucked up. Rape isn't generic violence like drunk driving or murder. It's gender violence, overwhelmingly misogynistic.

There are a slew of ways to go after Glen Beck without pushing the tired idea that it's fine to push misogynistic violence as entertainment or to score cheap points. It just trivializes it. #carrieprejean
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mfnher
11/10/09

@Andalucía: The heinous nature of the crime is kind of the whole point of the meme. #carrieprejean
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wtfox?!
11/10/09

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
Obama's bigotry doesn't make your bigotry okay, Carrie. As my mom is fond of saying, "We're not talking about him; we're talking about you." #carrieprejean
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curiousgeorgiana
11/10/09

@wtfox?!: Exactly.

Carrie: "I'm a bigot, but so is the President."

That means that you are still a bigot, Carrie! #carrieprejean
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Hana Maru
11/10/09

@curiousgeorgiana: By her logic, you can call her a bigot as long as you acknowledge that he is too.

Basically, she's calling progressives out for giving him a pass, even as they hate her for having the same belief about what the legal definition of marriage should be.
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curiousgeorgiana
11/10/09

@Hana Maru: Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with her (or you apparently). Obama's policy approach to gay rights is appalling, and he's got a very limited time before I stop waiting on him to rise above.

I was agreeing with wtfox?! that she can't deflect her own bigotry just by saying the president agrees with her. That just means they're both bigots. #carrieprejean
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ArgusRun
11/10/09

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
I can't stand the woman, but she has a point. Obama's stated views on the subject are the same as her own. So if your reason for calling her a bigot, then Obama, by your standards is a bigot too.

If, like me, you believe that he really does suppot gay marriage but denies it for political purposes, then he is a liar.

I choose liar Obama over bigot Obama, but I will say this. If he goes 8 years without coming out and supporting gay marriage, then I will call him a bigot. #carrieprejean
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TheGuvnah
11/10/09

@ArgusRun: well said. #carrieprejean
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KATE!
11/10/09

@ArgusRun: honestly, i'd rather obama be a bigot than a liar. if he is a bigot, he can be educated/persuaded and change his view. but if he is a liar...well there is no real reason to believe that he will ever do heed his ethical duty. if he is remains silent/inactive because of political opposition, it may never be the "right time" for equality. in my opinion liar and coward are interchangeable in this instance. #carrieprejean
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Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux
11/10/09

8 years. Not 11 months, exactly. Because, in the last 29 years we have had 20 years of Republican presidents who rammed the idea (and in fact ran on it) that homosexuals are evil (and under one president in particular that homosexuals spread a "gay plague") This is a president who is actively working to make gay members in our society, members OF our society. I would love, and I mean LOVE for him to snap his fingers and have gay marriage legalized. But right now with the D.O.M.A. laws that are federal, and states waffling by the off-year vote-I would be happy just to get a foot in the door toward same sex equality by legalizing same sex couple adoption in all 50 states and then work from there. This piecemeal legislation is good in theory but the nullification is the pits. #carrieprejean
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yvanehtnioj
11/10/09

In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
I'm interested that apparently Trump agrees that there are less attractive Miss USA contestants. Isn't "outrageously attractive" kind of a universal attribute among those women? #carrieprejean
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rodmanstreet
11/10/09

@yvanehtnioj: You mean pageant contestants are judged on their looks? Did I stick my finger in a light socket? Because I'm literally shocked. #carrieprejean
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CherriSpryte
11/10/09

@yvanehtnioj: it very much depends on what your definition of attractive is. #carrieprejean
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yvanehtnioj
11/10/09

@CherriSpryte: Well sure, but this is Trump we're talking about here. Excessive makeup, hair dye, surgical alterations and all that other baggage seems to be his cuppa. #carrieprejean
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/10/09

In reply to J.Lo Sues Ex Over Sex Movie; Lindsay's Assistant Worries She'll Kill Herself
I'm not nearly as repulsed by Russell Brand's bedroom as I thought I would be...It must be because he isn't in it. #jenniferlopez
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LaComtesse
11/09/09

In reply to J.Lo Sues Ex Over Sex Movie; Lindsay's Assistant Worries She'll Kill Herself
Why is Kate Winslet getting a nomination for The Reader NOW? The movie came out about a year ago! (Also: it wasn't that good.) #jenniferlopez
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jessacecilia
11/09/09

@LaComtesse: Oh, I liked The Reader! Revolutionary Road, on the other hand, was a major disappointment. Major. #jenniferlopez
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LaComtesse
11/09/09

@jessacecilia: I laughed out loud during R.R. it was so ridiculous. The Reader... it just didn't bring anything new to the conversation of post-war German guilt and culpability, imo. #jenniferlopez
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jessacecilia
11/09/09

@LaComtesse: I don't disagree with your take on The Reader but I did enjoy it. And I think my hope for R.R. was that it was going to be Titanic 2. I was so excited to see the two on the same screen together that I was severely disappointed when the film during out to be so drab.

And also. who in god's name are the people who loved it so much? I'd like to talk to the Academy about this one.

PS, glad we're talking about this a year later. #jenniferlopez
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scandalouskiki
11/09/09

In reply to J.Lo Sues Ex Over Sex Movie; Lindsay's Assistant Worries She'll Kill Herself
At first glance, it kind of looked like Jennifer Lopez was checking her pulse in that photo. #jenniferlopez
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
11/09/09

In reply to J.Lo Sues Ex Over Sex Movie; Lindsay's Assistant Worries She'll Kill Herself
Andre is passionately anti-abortion but accepted his glamour model wife needed the procedure after a doctor told her there were "complications" with the pregnancy.

Seriously, Andre? She had to terminate a pregnancy because of medical reasons and now you're upset because she's "betraying" you by talking about it? News flash, not everything is about you. You are not the victim in this. I never had strong feelings either way about either of them, but after reading this, I am strongly Team Jordan.
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sarasasa
11/09/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: You know, an abortion is something horrible women do TO men out of spite. And then have the nerve to talk about it instead of hiding in shame in order to humiliate them farther, obviously.
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phantom lady
11/09/09

In reply to J.Lo Sues Ex Over Sex Movie; Lindsay's Assistant Worries She'll Kill Herself
If Josh's stripper didn't know he was married, why would she then ask him if he was Fergi's husband?
More importantly, why am I giving this any thought? #jenniferlopez
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J.D.Regent
11/09/09

In reply to J.Lo Sues Ex Over Sex Movie; Lindsay's Assistant Worries She'll Kill Herself
Like I didn't already want to be Sophia Loren enough.
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