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pesematology
12/01/09

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What an insult to Amelie.
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Ipomoea
12/01/09

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Ugh, I am so tired of this. The Italian justice system makes me want to tear my hair out, and the media coverage in both the States and Europe isn't much better. Just fucking deliberate, and leave the devil-fueled sex games out of it. I'm tired of Amanda Knox being UW's ambassador to the world.
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

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I'm not sure that I understand why the prosecution decided "lurid sex games" was the angle to use. It just seems so...bizarre. Am I missing something? I've been following the case and still don't understand that part of it.
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J.D.Regent
12/01/09

@Tchotchke: it's hard to read about this case and not feel overwhelmed with stereotypes about Italy.
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

@J.D.Regent: Yes. And I wish that I could read Italian and perhaps gain a better understanding of the Italian perspective on this trial is.
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Amber Helvey
12/01/09

@Tchotchke: You should read "Monser of Florence" by Douglas Preston. I just finished it this weekend and it's a disturbing look at the Italian justice system. It also paints a damning picture of the way some devastating serial killings were investigated, and how many innocent lives were ruined. In the edition I read, the afterword focuses on Amanda Knox and how this bizarre sex game theory seems to be based on no evidence, and was in fact started by the same people who completely botched the Monster case by insisting that the Monster was involved in a Satanic cult instead of actually looking at you know, evidence and facts, and forensics and such. It's frightening how it seems like there is so much make-believe happening in the police work.
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

@Amber Helvey: Oh, thank you for recommending that to me! I have actually heard of the case, but had forgotten all about it. A few years ago, there was a television program about the Monster case and the Italian justice system, which I found riveting. I've studied the Italian judicial system a bit, because my studies focus on international law, but not in the depth that I would like. Once again, thank you for recommending that book to me; I will be adding it to my "must read" list. :-)
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Jack_Burton
12/01/09

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Has he even watched Amalie? Because there's like some pretty complex things going on behind the "naive" girl's eyes...
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Maggita
12/01/09

@Jack_Burton: Because naivete and wondering how many couples orgasm at a given moment go hand in hand.
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Smartipants
12/02/09

@Jack_Burton: There was a French movie starring the actress from Amelie that made this point exactly - half was told from her point of view where she was hanging out with her boyfriend and the other half was from his point of view where she was a crazy mental patient stalking him. Brilliant!
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sybann
12/01/09

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This is disgustingly bad lawyering.
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mfnher
12/01/09

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Does anyone have an update on when this is going to jury deliberation? It seems like she's been on trial forever.
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winner
12/01/09

@mfnher: She has been. The Italian courts aren't exactly a model of efficiency. Also, they take a long break in the summer.
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gherkinfiend
12/01/09

@mfnher: I think I read on the BBC at the weekend that this is the last week of the trial.

Of course I can't find the link now so I'm not sure. It really is endless...how can the jury retain so much information over so long? It sounds like a recipe for a quick deliberation by the jury and a possible miscarriage of justice just to get the whole thing over. Not good.
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smama
12/01/09

@winner: I took a course in European Legal Systems outside of Florence 2 years ago, and you're right - the professor seemed quite ashamed of the molasses-pace of their courts.
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winner
12/01/09

@smama: Exactly. I am so appreciative of the American judicial system after studying the legal systems of other countries.
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voteforpedro
12/01/09

@smama: Um, yeah. Cause Europe is totally a country with the same laws everywhere.
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onestrawplz
12/01/09

@voteforpedro: Notice smama said "European Legal SystemS," implying that the class probably included information about many countries within Europe...Italy was probably one of those countries, because Italy is notorious for its...interesting legal system.
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onestrawplz
12/01/09

@winner: Italy itself isn't exactly a model of efficiency. Love the place, but it's way more relaxed than what Americans are used to. It gets frustrating, but it's a different culture & different way of life.
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smama
12/01/09

@onestrawplz: @voteforpedro Yes, onestraw has it right. We looked at Italy, France, Germany, Spain, the UK, and also pulled in some Australian law and Canadian, since that's where we students were normally studying. It was officially titled Comparative European Legal Systems, but it didn't occur to me that it was important to be highly specific on that..
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

@smama: I took a similar course two years ago, and what I found fascinating about Italy was: a. the inefficiency, especially when compared to the United States and other European nations, and b. the sheer magnitude of corruption. Granted, the corruption issue is not as bad today as it was prior to the late '90s, but still, it's incredible.

Also interesting is that in Russian trials, there are three sides: prosecution, defense, and the victims' families. From a legal standpoint, I find that fascinating because it completely alters the balance and mood of the trial. Sorry to nerd-out there, I couldn't resist!
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smama
12/02/09

@Tchotchke: I agree! I also liked how a bit of historical perspective added to my understanding of a particular nation's structure - like, states where dictators in the past had judges in their pocket tend not to have systems where constitutional issues are handled by the judges at all in the modern era. Seeing how other places set up their checks and balances gave me greater insight into why we have certain processes in Canada and made me less likely to just accept a structure or system as 'how the law works' in general. Nerds 4eva!
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voteforpedro
12/02/09

@smama: Oh, in that case I'm sorry. I thought the "professor was ashamed of" bit refered back to the European Legal Systems bit, and not only to the Italian legal system.
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smama
12/02/09

@voteforpedro: Ah, I now see how that was a bit unclear. No worries!
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BuffySummers
12/01/09

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Have they ever actually given any details (or theories) on what these supposed "sex games" entailed? That explanation just seems like this very general buzz word/phrase that makes people who already want to see her as some evil American whore nod their heads furiously and forget that it doesn't actually mean anything.
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lizyfizy
12/01/09

@BuffySummers: Whenever I hear people refer to "sex games," I imagine they're playing tag.
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Katxyz
12/01/09

@lizyfizy:

Naked?
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morninggloria
12/01/09

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She and Jenny Sanford look like they could be related.

Just me?
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
12/01/09

@morninggloria: Jenny has that "justified revenge" glow about her, though. I'm not quite seeing that here.
(But that could be just me.)
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morninggloria
12/01/09

@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: I think that something about her eyes. Both women have similar eye-regions.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
12/01/09

@morninggloria: Maybe that's an outer manifestation of similar inner point-of-view regions?
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LaFemme
12/01/09

In reply to Amanda Knox: As Sweet And Innocent As A Montmartre Housebreaker
"60 percent imagination and 40 percent reality."

Not how I would want my mental state described if I were on trial. Yikes.
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hortense
12/01/09

@LaFemme: Right? That's the exact opposite of what she should be saying.
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rodmanstreet
12/01/09

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Exhibit A: Her collection of torn photomaton scraps!
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GreyEminence
12/01/09

@rodmanstreet: Exhibit B: A stolen garden gnome
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slowpoke.r
12/01/09

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The defense lawyer's quote doesn't really contradict the prosecution's case, or at least doesn't provide much of a defense. I mean, according to Heavenly Creatures, living in a fantasy world 60% of the time makes it seem perfectly reasonable to murder your mother with a rock in a sock, so why would being "60% imagination" get in the way of murdering your roommate? I think it would make it that much easier.
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DexterHaven
12/01/09

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I'm sorry, I really fail to understand why she should have to apologise for talking about her vibrator (~which was brought up by the prosecution to taint her character). I mean, come on.
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bluewine
12/01/09

@DexterHaven: Or, for that matter, why she should need to apologize for buying underwear from a department store when she is unable to get into her apartment (which the prosecution called "lingerie shopping").
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tankearae
12/01/09

@DexterHaven: That's what you get when your legal system develops from the inquisition. Ugh.
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
12/01/09

@DexterHaven: I don't think the vibrator discussion occured only to tarnish her character. The entire premise of the victim's death revolves around a sex game gone array. In this context, it is relevant evidence.
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bluewine
12/01/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: It's not even a little bit relevant. They're not charging that it was used in any way during the murder. The entire point of bringing it up is to make Amanda Knox look slutty, which apparently makes it likely that she commited a murder during a satanic orgy.
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
12/01/09

@bluewine: I would have to review the court records before making any conclusive determinations.
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DexterHaven
12/01/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: All reports of the trial concur that the sex toy was only brought up by the prosecution to support their allegation that she was overly sexually active. The 'sex game' theory has no evidence backing it up, it is pure speculation.
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SeriesofTubes
12/01/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: The fact that someone owns a vibrator tells you exactly nothing about their penchant for sadistic orgies.
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
12/01/09

@DexterHaven: If that is in fact true, that is entirely fucked up.
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pantsless economist...access RESTORED
12/01/09

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Well, I can't imagine the attorneys defending Amanda Knox would want to make her out to be the cold hearted, vicious type...
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Penny
12/01/09

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Yet another ridiculous dichotomy is spun. The ladies are either gamines or vamps, virgins or whores, sashaying or skipping.
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MargaretMoony
12/01/09

@Penny: Seriously, how about presenting them as people or is that to unbelievable for most?
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mommymash
10/29/08

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is anyone else becoming obsessed with this story?? the more information i get about this case the more i become determined to figure it the whole thing out, like some kind of internet-nancy drew. i just spent 4 hours trolling the net for more info about this media freakshow case....while i was supposed to be working, no less! this can't be healthy.
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Saltine
10/29/08

@mommymash: Oh I totally am, but its confusing because depending on which source you use the information's very different. Although I wil admit no matter what the focus on irrelevant details (leaking of her past partners, focus on idea of orgy) and the prosecutor's past make me very wary about the whole thing.
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Saltine
10/29/08

@mommymash: At this point though Im going with she seems innocent but maybe a bit insensitive
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