@Ms Meghan: I have read some things - that are probably wild speculation - relating this to the fact that Dion is Roman Catholic.
Whatever happened it must be really hard t go through something like that in the public eye. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want my personal business to be public knowledge. I have no problem with her not telling the world what happened if it is difficult for her.
In the UK women don't tend to tell everyone else they are pregnant until after 12 weeks. I know my family and friends in the US all tell about pregnancies almost right away. I personally always thought "Why not tell everyone right away? You might need support etc anyway if you have a miscarriage." Thinking now about the fact that you might have to make a decision to terminate or not if there were problems and might not want to share that with others makes me re-think this though.
@applejuice: I've never been surprised at women waiting to share about pregnancies, because anything could happen. It's just a little odd though. #marleematlin
@jigglyball: I think she's trying to refer to his attempt to publicize the inherent homophobia in the hip-hop world, but, being Fergie, is inept. #marleematlin
OK Tori Amos, just quit. This new album (which I've heard, for the record) is pap. Pure, unadulterated pap. I don't care how much goddamn research you've done.
As far as I'm concerned, Tori Amos died in a fire after Scarlet's Walk. #marleematlin
@GeorgeFayne: Are you referring to Midwinter Graces or Abnormally Attracted To Sin? Because Midwinter Graces is a beautiful holiday album, not sure why you'd call it "pap." #marleematlin
@Kivrin: I did not like this holiday album at all. Knowing that she is not religious, it really sounds to me (including the arrangements) like a marketing ploy to make money off Christmas. Like what Bob Dylan did.
Having said that, "American Doll Posse" completely ROCKS. Give it a listen.
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A lot of her music has been about deconstructing or reclaiming the feminine from religious misogyny. Christmas, at this point, can be fairly secular. And since it's based on a Pagan holiday, I think it's fair game. I
Whether or not I've loved every one of her albums is less important to me than the fact that she's grown and changed as an artist. This included. #marleematlin
@hildy: I'm absolutely referring to Midwinter Graces, though Abnormally Attracted to Sin is a turd too. (Posse Bonus is maybe the first song of hers that actually made me angry.) I called it pap because it's terrible. And I love Tori. But she needs two things: 1. an editor and 2. an editor. The only good thing I can say about Midwinter Graces is that it's not 185 tracks long. #marleematlin
@tiredfairy: Yes, I understand the pagan feminist context of a lot of her music - I've loved Tori since I was 14. I'm just tired of her Stevie Nicks-lite schtick. Ophelia and Original Sinsuality (typing that makes me want to punch a panda) actively embarrass me when they come up in a shuffle. And ok, so she didn't put Have a Holly Jolly Date Rape on the Christmas album, but you can't convince me that Pink and Glitter is a stirring indictment of holiday sexism. I stand by my comment. It's treacle, and it's terrible. And maybe the reason that I'm so annoyed by it is that I know she can do better. #marleematlin
@Master.And.Everyone: Seriously, feel me on this. When one has a 6 year old that one desperately tries to avoid total crap with, one needs to look at things with new eyes. Listen with new ears, rather.
As @tiredfairy put it above, would I rather my own little angel warbled along with Tori while deconstructing the winter festivals than twanging out fucking Jingle Bells with Hannah Montana? YOU BET.
It's a lovely album and worth every penny to have some beautiful music and a different conversation during December. #marleematlin
@SomeAuthorGirl: OK, it's fine if you're six. Any older, and you should know better. Also, I'd avoid letting your kid listen to any other TA albums, at least until whenever you want to explain what China white is, and why the singer's daddy is a starfucker. But that's the thing - if Tori wants to stop singing about her miscarriages and start making music for children, or idiots (I'm looking at you, Mary Jane) or whatever, I'd appreciate a heads-up so I can stop looking forward to her albums.
In other (less hostile) holiday reccomendations: I don't really like Mariah Carey, but her Christmas album is effing phenomenal. #marleematlin
@GeorgeFayne: I'll be taking the parenting advice under advisement.
FWIW, I was never allowed to listen to kiddie pap when I was little. I was raised on classic rock, folk, and punk, and miraculously turned into a fine, contributing member of society. #marleematlin
@SomeAuthorGirl: Yeah, you got me thinking about what I listened to growing up - lots of Beatles, Van Morrison, classical, and (shudder) Amy Grant. My parents were tolerant of my desire for kid-pap (my dad interviewed New Kids on the Block for something, and was kind enough to bring me swag, even though I know it killed him), but also really gave my brother and I a background in the fundamentals (and by "fundamentals" I mean 80's New Wave, classic rock, and folk music out the yang.), I seem to have turned out ok.
I think my previous messages came off as crankier than I intended, but I assure you, that ire is entirely directed at Tori Amos. #marleematlin
@GeorgeFayne: That's fine, I didn't say you have to like it. My point was that musicians generally change over time, and I'd rather that than not. Or you get the Rolling Stones, who basically do a caricature of themselves.
Tori's music has shifted over the years, the way her life has. That's always been how she operates. Sometimes you get social relevance, sometimes you get pop, sometimes you just get whatever the hell it is she wants to do. You either go with it or you don't.
Music like hers is always highly, highly, subjective. I'm not questioning your comment or your opinion. Merely pointing out that this was her motivation, you're entitled to dislike the execution.
I view Tori the way I view every creative person whose work I enjoy. It's nearly impossible for them to do something I will like every single time. Everyone has an off day, album, story, screenplay, whatever. If they do something I don't like in terms of style, then I move on. I don't get angry about it because I have far more good albums I enjoy from her than not.
If she ever does an album dedicated to the awesomeness of the patriarchy and tells every woman to start having babies and give up the vote, then I'll get cranky. :} #marleematlin
@GeorgeFayne: I feel ya. :) I was never censored artistically, and I think that children, as well as parents, are not given enough credit for sophistication.
As a fan, yeah, Tori has gone some places that I can't follow at times. As a parent, I can look at projects like this one and say "I get it, and thanks for bringing me with you." #marleematlin
@lurkerbynature: Oh, for sure. I don't consider that in the same way I consider Kidz Bop (gah) or Disney fodder (barf). TMBG, for example, are a band that have taken the fan with them into adulthood/parenthood. I dig that. My kid can listen to the children's album and also listen to Flood. :) #marleematlin
@SomeAuthorGirl: I'm not familiar with Kidz Bop or any Disney stuff after the '80s (some of which was actually pretty good), so I don't know if they even have some of the joyful silliness that can be so great about children's music. Sounds like you're a pretty cool parent though. #marleematlin
The ending of the sentence "Amy Winehouse is addicted to..." with table tennis is the least interesting way that sentence has ever ended. #marleematlin
@yvanehtnioj: I clicked the link, apparently she was joking in the first part of the statement, but it's not clear what tone she had on the Kanye part. I'm going to go ahead and err on the side of witty.
Perhaps she was implying they have gay stylists? #marleematlin
@mchll: But even the joke is a gay stereotype joke.
Kanye has said that he thinks it was hard for the hip hop community to accept his personal style because anything but a t-shirt and baggy jeans = gay in some minds, but he's not gay himself. #marleematlin
@yvanehtnioj: I'm thinking her intentions were good, but I agree that gay stereotypes aren't a particularly innovative (or funny) comedic device.
I'm still trying to figure out how a person could say with a straight face that (mainstream) hip-hop is "very mixed and open" and that Kanye single-handedly achieved this.
I am REALLY upset that Hank was dropped for Vick. Michael Vick is a piece of scum who should NEVER have been let back into the NFL. And from watching Kendra, Hank seems to be a really down to earth sweet man. This sucks. I hate football even more now.
Jessica Simpson needs to be more realistic. It would be one thing if she lost the dog and didn't know what happened...in that situation, duh, you look for it. But if the last time you saw your dog it was IN a COYOTE'S MOUTH...honey...I hate to tell you, but your dog was dinner. It's sad, but it's nature. Accept it and stop bothering your neighbors.
Also, when I was 19 (ok, last year, but whatever), I lived in a dorm room with cinderblock walls. Lawnmowers woke me up at 7:30 am. Course, I date a 21 year old, not a 1000000000000 year old.
Jon, dogs are a part of the family. You should no more send them back than you would one of your kids. When you move, you move somewhere that will accept them. Case closed.
@joanna23: A lot of breeders will stipulate when they sell you a puppy that if ever you are going to give it away, you must give it back to them. At least this way they have some control of what happens to the poor animal.
I blame Jon, but I also blame Kate. It was their joint decision to get the dogs (I'm sure to help ratings too), and who the hell get 2 GIANT dogs when they have 8 kids??
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Whatever happened it must be really hard t go through something like that in the public eye. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want my personal business to be public knowledge. I have no problem with her not telling the world what happened if it is difficult for her.
In the UK women don't tend to tell everyone else they are pregnant until after 12 weeks. I know my family and friends in the US all tell about pregnancies almost right away. I personally always thought "Why not tell everyone right away? You might need support etc anyway if you have a miscarriage." Thinking now about the fact that you might have to make a decision to terminate or not if there were problems and might not want to share that with others makes me re-think this though.
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I feel bad for James Franco. I will volunteer to keep him company in the private, empty, dark room. I consider it a mitzvah. #marleematlin
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The rest of the statement I just don't like. #marleematlin
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As far as I'm concerned, Tori Amos died in a fire after Scarlet's Walk. #marleematlin
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Having said that, "American Doll Posse" completely ROCKS. Give it a listen.
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A lot of her music has been about deconstructing or reclaiming the feminine from religious misogyny. Christmas, at this point, can be fairly secular. And since it's based on a Pagan holiday, I think it's fair game. I
Whether or not I've loved every one of her albums is less important to me than the fact that she's grown and changed as an artist. This included. #marleematlin
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As @tiredfairy put it above, would I rather my own little angel warbled along with Tori while deconstructing the winter festivals than twanging out fucking Jingle Bells with Hannah Montana? YOU BET.
It's a lovely album and worth every penny to have some beautiful music and a different conversation during December. #marleematlin
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In other (less hostile) holiday reccomendations: I don't really like Mariah Carey, but her Christmas album is effing phenomenal. #marleematlin
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@SomeAuthorGirl: I feel you!
But have you tried Bananaphone? #marleematlin
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FWIW, I was never allowed to listen to kiddie pap when I was little. I was raised on classic rock, folk, and punk, and miraculously turned into a fine, contributing member of society. #marleematlin
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I think my previous messages came off as crankier than I intended, but I assure you, that ire is entirely directed at Tori Amos. #marleematlin
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Tori's music has shifted over the years, the way her life has. That's always been how she operates. Sometimes you get social relevance, sometimes you get pop, sometimes you just get whatever the hell it is she wants to do. You either go with it or you don't.
Music like hers is always highly, highly, subjective. I'm not questioning your comment or your opinion. Merely pointing out that this was her motivation, you're entitled to dislike the execution.
I view Tori the way I view every creative person whose work I enjoy. It's nearly impossible for them to do something I will like every single time. Everyone has an off day, album, story, screenplay, whatever. If they do something I don't like in terms of style, then I move on. I don't get angry about it because I have far more good albums I enjoy from her than not.
If she ever does an album dedicated to the awesomeness of the patriarchy and tells every woman to start having babies and give up the vote, then I'll get cranky. :} #marleematlin
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As a fan, yeah, Tori has gone some places that I can't follow at times. As a parent, I can look at projects like this one and say "I get it, and thanks for bringing me with you." #marleematlin
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Perhaps she was implying they have gay stylists? #marleematlin
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Kanye has said that he thinks it was hard for the hip hop community to accept his personal style because anything but a t-shirt and baggy jeans = gay in some minds, but he's not gay himself. #marleematlin
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I'm still trying to figure out how a person could say with a straight face that (mainstream) hip-hop is "very mixed and open" and that Kanye single-handedly achieved this.
Unless, of course, that person is very stupid.
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Also, when I was 19 (ok, last year, but whatever), I lived in a dorm room with cinderblock walls. Lawnmowers woke me up at 7:30 am. Course, I date a 21 year old, not a 1000000000000 year old.
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PS... You suck.
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I blame Jon, but I also blame Kate. It was their joint decision to get the dogs (I'm sure to help ratings too), and who the hell get 2 GIANT dogs when they have 8 kids??
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