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    12/09/09

    In reply to "Tillie The Artist Dog" Causes Chaos On Conan
    Somewhere out there, Andy Kaufman is laughing, and laughing and laughing.
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    12/09/09

    In reply to "Tillie The Artist Dog" Causes Chaos On Conan
    Now I'm wondering how I could turn my dog's prodigious licking into an art career. Edible paints on canvas?
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    Image of ImDatNinja (loves her Red Sox) ImDatNinja (loves her Red Sox)
    12/09/09

    In reply to "Tillie The Artist Dog" Causes Chaos On Conan
    I felt bad for Conan while watching this. I love dogs with every ounce of my soul but that pup was yapping enough to even prevent Coco from cracking a joke.
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    12/09/09

    In reply to "Tillie The Artist Dog" Causes Chaos On Conan
    my dog's artistic expression involves berets, espresso and gitanes at a local cafe. also, muttered disdain for jeff koons.
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    Image of wtfox?! wtfox?!
    12/09/09

    In reply to "Tillie The Artist Dog" Causes Chaos On Conan
    My dog is awesome at clawing and chewing and ripping things up... It's about time I turned this to my financial advantage.

    Dog, it's time to get to work.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Roman Polanski, Amanda Knox, And The Problem Of Celebrity Criminals
    many others leap to her defense without ever having met her.

    I get what you're saying, but this is kind of a silly statement. Not one of the jurors in the case has ever "met" Amanda Knox. If they had, they wouldn't have been allowed on the jury for partiality reasons. If that's our line of thinking, then it makes no sense for people to point out the classism and racism that exists in the American justice system if they've never "met" any of the defendants.
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    12/07/09

    @shoroko: I'm not really saying these people are wrong, or deluded. Just that she's famous, and she's getting all this support, whereas most defendants just don't get the kind of exposure that would enable this.
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    12/07/09

    In reply to Roman Polanski, Amanda Knox, And The Problem Of Celebrity Criminals
    I'm surprised that no one has yet coined the term "celebrinals."
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    12/07/09

    @morninggloria: Sounds like a famous urinal.

    Celebuvict? Crimibrity?
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Roman Polanski, Amanda Knox, And The Problem Of Celebrity Criminals
    If anything these two trials remind us that sexism is still VERY much an issue.

    Women that like sex and vibrators are scheming whores!

    Little girls must love the sex because I want to put it in them, every one does!
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    12/07/09

    @Penny: This. Spot on.
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    Image of KaneBaker KaneBaker
    12/07/09

    @Penny: Hmm as opposed to the cool dudes with their sex doll collections ?

    Or little boys that love it because they have one too ?

    Yes, you remind me that sexism is still an issue and it goes both ways. Don't forget to vilify the other side while fighting for your rights, that will solve things.
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    12/07/09

    @KaneBaker: You're confused.
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    12/07/09

    @Penny: You wouldn't believe how much.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Roman Polanski, Amanda Knox, And The Problem Of Celebrity Criminals
    "not necessarily to make love - though some of them did"

    hmmm....I wonder if this version of "making love" involved force and quaaludes?
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    12/07/09

    @bluebears: That's not how you make love?
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    12/07/09

    @Penny: Oh don't even listen to me, it's just my jealousy talking. I love me some 16 yr old girls!
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    Image of PilgrimSoul PilgrimSoul
    12/07/09

    In reply to Roman Polanski, Amanda Knox, And The Problem Of Celebrity Criminals
    I just kind of think that "justice" is an empty word in the context of legal processes. But then I went to like the least law-schooly-law-school on earth.
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    12/07/09

    @PilgrimSoul: I'm worried this is going to make me a postmodernist or something. Someone say that isn't so.
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    12/07/09

    @PilgrimSoul: Northeastern?
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    12/07/09

    @PilgrimSoul: "Justice" is a pretty empty word overall, but there are elements consistent with any use of it.

    You may not be able to specifically define justice, but you can identify what does and does not comport with it if you try.
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    12/07/09

    @Lymed: (Nah, I'm Canadian, remember?)

    @LegalCookie: Well, sort of. I guess I am not so much talking about justice as fairness here as I am talking about it as an aspiration to a better world.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Roman Polanski, Amanda Knox, And The Problem Of Celebrity Criminals
    Also, his fame worked for him. He didn't receive any harsh punishment and you really think he gives a shit what yappity women like us think?
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    12/07/09

    In reply to Roman Polanski, Amanda Knox, And The Problem Of Celebrity Criminals
    What's sick is that he simply reifies the commoditization of female youth. Everyone must want it, no? It's really disgusting that we live in a culture (I daresay EVERY culture is like this) where young girls are valued for their nubile "sexuality." It makes me never want to have girls of my own.
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    12/07/09

    @Penny: I know exactly what you mean.
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    12/07/09

    @bluebears: And it sets up this really uncomfortable and often subversive competition between "women" and "girls." Whereby when a woman voices anger about something like this, people like him can dismiss it as simple jealousy.
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    12/07/09

    @Penny: and think he's being really "insightful" while dismissing it.
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    Image of yvanehtnioj yvanehtnioj
    12/07/09

    In reply to Roman Polanski, Amanda Knox, And The Problem Of Celebrity Criminals
    There's a difference between being a cause celebre and an actual celebrity. I don't think these cases have "striking parallels"; they're just both high-profile cases.
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    Image of Lottie Lottie
    12/07/09

    @yvanehtnioj: I disagree. They are similar, in that, both cases involve criminals who are being excused in the court of public opinion based on superficial reasons; either for their past accomplishments or for their looks.
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    Image of yvanehtnioj yvanehtnioj
    12/07/09

    @Lottie: But Roman Polanski is being excused for superficial reasons (Chinatown!!!) even though he admits he did it; Knox is the beneficiary of stereotypes and gender norms that make Americans think she wasn't capable of the crime (girl next door, etc) and at the same time falling victim to stereotypes and gender norms that made the jury (judges?) think that she was capable of doing it (if a girl is willing to have lots of sex, she'll probably do ANYTHING). And, you know, she proclaims her innocence.

    Both getting a lot of attention? Yes. Both cases causing us to examine the extent to which unrelated issues come into play in the courtroom? Sure. Striking parallels. I don't see 'em.
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    Image of pajanguin pajanguin
    12/07/09

    @yvanehtnioj: How 'bout these:
    1. The cases deal with sex
    2. ...and with Americans abroad.
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    12/07/09

    @pajanguin: The Polanski case doesn't deal with an American abroad.
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    12/07/09

    @yvanehtnioj: Oversimplification fail.
    Judging by the volume of Hollywood-types who came out in support of him, I'd say (some) Americans consider him one of their own.

    It's a reach, but that's how it sits in my head.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Marilyn And Evan's Troubling Reunion; Did Tiger Pay His Mistress To Keep Quiet?
    Marilyn - it's not scary anymore (or even very rock and roll) when you look like someone's bubbie.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to What Sentence Will Roman Polanski Serve?
    Polanski celebrated his release by ordering a festive special complete with 5 lindor truffles.
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