Here's one thing that continues to blow my mind- and maybe I'm just incredibly cynical- but who here would even think to check if their health insurance plan covered abortions? I've always operated on the assumption there was no way in hell my plan would cover an elective abortion. Am I just really jaded? Are there actually plans that exist that would cover abortions???
I guess after years and years and years of observing the irrationality that commonly accompanies the issue I figured insurance companies wouldn't want to touch abortion with a 10-foot speculum... #healthnuts
@Spaghetti Cat: Some plans do cover elective abortions...possibly because it is cheaper than covering pre-natal care and childbirth....which is considered a lifestyle choice. #healthnuts
I went ahead and made a donation to Planned Parenthood this weekend in Bart Stupak's name and put his office address down (2268 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515) so he'll get a nice card letting him know he can shove it.
Can someone explain the point of this health care reform to me again? Now that there's no public option, and women are getting screwed out of rights they had before it, what is good about this bill? I'm serious. I'd like to know. #healthnuts
@RiloKilo: The article above lists some of the "pros" of the bill toward the end. I guess it's a matter of opinion whether those pros outweigh the cons. (I haven't decided yet, personally.) #healthnuts
@Kivrin: Yeah... I don't know. I don't think it's a huge step forward, personally, but I guess it's a step in the right direction? Maybe? Then again, it does make things WORSE for women... so I keep flip-flopping. I think the best I can hope for is that people will continue to fight for the bill to be what it was originally meant to be - an improvement for everyone (except maybe a few rich jerks). #healthnuts
I just sent this letter to whitehouse.gov. I'm so depressed.
Dear Mr. President,
I was so happy when you were elected. I remember walking my dog last year, right after the news called the election. Everyone I saw who was walking in my neighborhood--mostly people who had been to election night gatherings, either in preparation of a party or a support group, depending on how the night would play out--was so happy. We were walking about smiling, and when we passed each other we'd all say, "We have a new president! We have a new president!" The joy was obvious.
But now, Mr. President, I find myself looking back on that night with disgust at my own naivete. The House just passed a Health Care Bill, something you clearly care about and something you were instrumental in getting done. But at what cost? At the cost of women's health. I have never, in my whole life, been so disgusted at the American government. I have never felt so ashamed to be an American. I have never been so disappointed at my elected officials, and never felt as though you all failed me. Us. Women.
You may not like abortions, Mr. President, and you may think that a woman's mental health isn't enough of a reason to allow her autonomy over her body. But now this bill, one that you announced with evident glee on Sunday, has not only failed to provide full health care coverage to women, but has actually reduced health care options for all of us. Abortions aren't fun; they aren't a roller coaster ride at a state fair, they aren't a shopping spree, they aren't a drug addiction; they are a medical procedure, legal in the United States.
Besides your pitiful response to issues important to people who gay about equal rights, in the form of your negligence and reticence to do anything about the absolutely unconstitutional ban on gay marriage and the, quite frankly, bullshit you've been giving us about Don't Ask Don't Tell, your refusal to acknowledge that this health care bill actively decreases coverage for millions of Americans has shattered any sense I ever had that you might actually usher in a new era. An era where all people--even the gay ones, even the ones with two X chromosomes--are considered as important as the rich, white, heterosexual men that run the oligarchy we call Congress.
I regret voting for you, Mr. President. Quite frankly, I have ceased to see America as anything but an antiquated country uninterested in progressing towards an egalitarian world in which everyone is free. Women are not free. Our soldiers may be fighting Iraqis for some abstract notion of spreading "freedom, liberty, and democracy," but over here the government, and culture, is waging a war on women's freedom. When 15 year-old girls aren't free from gang rape, when teenage girls are getting raped in disgustingly high number across the country, when women are getting murdered and the police look the other way, as in Cleveland, when our government finds it acceptable and the president finds it honorable to provide full health insurance coverage to men but only partial health insurance coverage to women, and in fact erodes health care coverage for women, it becomes perfectly clear that your government, you, my government, the American people (by which I mean American men, as that seems to be the preferred definition of "people" in Washington DC), do not care about women's rights.
Oh and also if everyone is so hepped up about capitalism, why are they so upset about the presence of so-called illegal aliens (how can a human's existence be illegal, Mr. President? I'm pretty sure that only actions, not existence, can be illegal.). Denying them health coverage, even though they are in fact human beings just as human as me, born and raised in Western New York, clearly sends the message that we are not interested in their welfare. But you cannot have capitalism, you cannot have free trade, if you don't also have the free movement of people across borders. People who call you a socialist, which is quite frankly laughable to anyone with the critical thinking skills to see any problem at all, even a minor one, with capitalism as it exists today, imply that capitalism is the only true American economic system; but without the presence of the undocumented workers our capitalist system would fall. You have to know this. You are clearly more intelligent that I am. And you know what? Despite the comma splices that cover this internet message box, I am really intelligent! So I can only imagine how smart you are. So why aren't you being smart on camera? You've been elected, Mr. President. You have the seat. You have the White House. Why don't you act like you do? Why don't you be the man you promised us you'd be? Why don't you do the things you promised you'd do? Because you were making those promises to American women, too, Mr. President. I listened to your speeches, I heard my name in your use of the second-person grammatical construction of all your promises, just as much as my father and brother and boyfriend did. So why am I the only one of us who loses with your election?
Your wife should be president. Hilary Clinton should be president. I doubt they'd refuse to cover something that only affects have the population, like prostate cancer or (for God's sake!) Viagra, on a national health insurance bill. I doubt they'd throw women under the bus. I won't ever forget what happened to me this weekend. I lost faith in the American government completely. It was pretty low when George W. Bush was president, dropping bombs on innocent civilians and actually torturing people in the most unAmerican presidential term since Andrew Jackson tried to kill all the Native Americans. But at least I never expected anything from him. He never promised anything but a perpetuation of the status quo, and that's what he gave us. You, however, promised more. And you have failed, utterly, utterly failed to live up to your promises.
Sincerely,
Cimorene
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Can someone help me understand - I have my own health insurance, through my job. Does this mean that I will not be able to have an abortion partially paid for with my insurance? I don't understand how they can deny coverage to people who are paying for it themselves? #healthnuts
@NOLA girl: I'm keeping my fingers crossed that some of the private ins. companies will create separate plans to sell to people who would use federal subsidies to pay for insurance, thereby keeping abortion coverage available in the plans purchased by employers. But who knows. #healthnuts
@laureltreedaphne: My understanding is that you will have to pay for it out of pocket if your insurance company accepts people who are getting government subsidies/tax breaks. So if your company wants a piece of what is going to be an enormous buyer pie, then they will have to drop abortion coverage in their plans. #healthnuts
@laureltreedaphne: No. Stupak (if in the finalized version of the bill) applies to plans in the Exchange. If you have employer-based coverage and are happy with it, there wouldn't be a reason for you to shop for private insurance via the Exchange. #healthnuts
@TheGuvnah: People above seem to have said that if my insurance company allows people to use the Exchange to pay for it, then I will not be covered. Is that true? #healthnuts
@laureltreedaphne: i believe only large employers will be allowed to enter the exchange, at the discretion of Sebelius, so....ah fuck it, it's too complicated for me to understand. seriously. I thought only ppl looking for individual insurance would be in the Exchange but i could be wrong! #healthnuts
@Kivrin: I say, without reading the article yet, that you do not have socialized medicine yet sooo...moot point Slate. I might also venture that you don't have universal health care yet either but I am socialist, pinko, canadian unhappy with the state of of our own healthcare system so I am a little biased. Now to read. #healthnuts
@Kivrin: No. I think that's completely wrong, mostly because a lot of places around the world with socialised medicine cover abortion. Italy, for example, a largely Catholic country, has a socialised healthcare system that fully covers abortion in the first trimester. Maybe not the reproductive rights ideal, but it's better than the crap we've just had thrown in our faces.
@Zemar has a good point too, that this is far far from actually being socialised. #healthnuts
@pinkcrickets: Well, I don't think the author was saying that any iteration of socialized medicine is necessarily incompatible with abortion—rather that these kinds of compromises may be necessary/expected in America. But I tend to agree with you, in large part due to countries like Italy, which prove that social conservatism and abortion can co-exist.
Reading this and then remembering that I am Canadian is like waking up from a nightmare to a beautiful sunny morning. But then I realize that that the nightmare is real for my 330 million Southerly neighbours. Your country is good at some things, but why don't you all just come up North? It's not that cold, really. #healthnuts
I hate that women are the sacrificial lambs. This bill passed through the House at the expense of women in America and our supposedly pro-choice democrat leaders were the ones to throw us under the bus. #healthnuts
My boyfriend is a health care lobbyist, and we are both Republicans. Both of us HATE this bill. For us (and a lot of moderate youngish Republicans, we're not all evil), covering abortions was never the problem. The problem is that this bill sucks. It's not really changing anything, it's just pumping even more money into a system that doesn't work.
I am extremely disappointed that the abortion clause is such an issue, because whether the plan covers abortion or not, the bill is fiscally irresponsible and doesn't improve the system. What would have been nice is, instead of bickering over whether or not to cover abortion, Congress had worked to find a plan that makes health care more affordable and efficient without costing billions or trillions of taxpayer dollars.
I've said repeatedly that I support health care reform, and I do. Wholeheartedly. But reform implies that something actually improves, and this bill isn't going to do that. #healthnuts
@MsFeasance: No, that's not what I meant at all. I was talking about the Republicans/pro-lifers/Catholic bishops who think this is a good plan just because they're limiting choice to abortion. I'm very pro-choice, I just wish Congress had come up with a good bill instead of making abortion the only issue.
Just wanted to start advertising my services here: if you find yourself pregnant and your insurance won't cover abortion, I will push you down my back stairs for $10. #healthnuts
@morninggloria: Hey, then the patient can go straight to the ER to be treated for the resulting broken back, hemorrhaging, infections, etc. Efficient and effective care FTW! #healthnuts
@morninggloria: Excellent. Cocaine is a great drug for us whores, don't you think?
On a slightly more serious note, I agree with everyone else. We need an underground network of Jezzies to help each other out. As a red state resident, such a thing would bring me comfort. We could talk in code: "We have a Code Stupak. What's your 20?" #healthnuts
@lalaland13: I'm on-board. "Team: "Help a Sister Out Cause My Government Has Its Head Shoved So Far Up Its Own Ass, It Can't See That It's Throwing Me Under The Bus To Score Political Points"?
@bluebears: There are actually several organizations that fund abortions for women who can't afford them. In Washington, DC there is the DC Abortion Fund (DCAF) and they can really use your support. #healthnuts
@bluebears: Actually, I was just talking about that yesterday. Some of my girlfriends and I up here in Canada have been talking about getting into microloans, and yesterday, in light of this bill passing, we were saying that, if there was a way to set it up, we'd totally do microloans for abortions in the states if this bill actually makes it to law. #healthnuts
@morninggloria: Women on Waves provides abortion pills for people living in backwards, third-world countries where they are second class citizens without the right to control their own bodies. You know, like the US of freaking A. This is a sad day.
@Twizzgirl: And I would suggest making those donations in honor of those fucking idiots who sold us out, starting with alleged Democrat Bart Stupak. #healthnuts
I have a feeling this is going to be an incredibly unpopular post but I'm going to say it.
This is not a perfect bill, I'm not sure there could ever be a perfect bill (something that satisfied everyone). But I'll take anything at this point!
I and others I know are screwed right now because of health insurance companies and their pre-exisiting conditions bullshit right now.
We should take something and then work our way towards the ultimate goal. Ted Kennedy style. #healthnuts
@didntmeanto: yeah but because of the incomplete nature of the bill, private insurance companies are ALREADY raising their rates so they will be able to "afford" to cover the people they previously denied. The bill isn't even passed and average americans are paying through the nose. Its why without single payer, this shit just doesn't work. Its great to be covered when you would've been previously turned away but you still have to, you know, be able to afford it. #healthnuts
So when are we going to actually DO something? We complain, we rationalize and yet, this stuff still happens. We need to become egomaniacs like the moronic teabaggers. Go to Washington, have our own press conference, er I mean rally. These idiots, with their idiotic signs and questionable motives got hours of air time on TV sets across the nation. They had low numbers, even less facts and overall really were complaining about affordable health care, and yet they were legitimized. If we can do one half of this, then Im fine.I say we contact Move ON, NARAL, NOW, etc - and start a boisterous protest. Im not kidding. I have time, I will always have time for the protection of my human rights. Lets inform Democrats that if they are essentially Repugs now, then they will never ever get another vote from me. #healthnuts
@femme-bot: That's what I'm finding as well. When i get home from work and find the thesis-long facebook replies from my conservative "friends" I always think "what are you people doing all day, i know you didn't type that from your iPhone..." #healthnuts
@AuburnPonytail: @femme-bot: I would hope all of us could day off a day from work, call in sick, call in a personal day, to actually do something. Im a freelancer, so this wouldnt be a problem, but it would be sad to see another movement saddled by - too busy. #healthnuts
This bill:
1) Further restricts abortion access (but only for people who are stupid enough to be poor or middle income)
2) Does nothing to control health care costs or change the disastrous fee for service model
3) Ensures continued windfall profits for insurance companies
This was totally worth spending months screaming at each other.
Also: Claire McCaskill, if the exchange and subsidies will only affect a small portion of Americans, then why did we even bother? If your argument is that it doesn't matter that only a small portion of American women will lose access to abortion, why should I care if only a small portion of Americans doesn't have health care period. YOU ARE MAKING THE ASSHOLES' ARGUMENTS FOR THEM. #healthnuts
Well those anti-choicers are alot brighter than I thought. They squeaked through some shady wording and managed to undermind the reproductive choices of women in a snap. Also this health care reform sounds like a real rip off. The only way for anyone to get coverage is to purchase insurance and then are rebated at a later date through tax breaks? What form of tax breaks will one receive and when? I thought the problem was inabilty to afford insurance. I am scratching my head over this. Why can't you just have a health card that entitles you to certain services without charge? Isn't that easier than enforced insurance enrollment? Hey, will birth control be covered by this supposed public option? And why are the wealthy being taxed to cover the masses? I am all kinds of confusion here. But congratulations anyway. At least you have an approved system in place. There is nowhere to go but up. #healthnuts
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me too! i just always assumed if i needed one, i'd be heading over to planned parenthood and scraping up some money... #healthnuts
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but i just checked my plan, and i'm covered...i just didn't realize it. #healthnuts
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Dear Mr. President,
I was so happy when you were elected. I remember walking my dog last year, right after the news called the election. Everyone I saw who was walking in my neighborhood--mostly people who had been to election night gatherings, either in preparation of a party or a support group, depending on how the night would play out--was so happy. We were walking about smiling, and when we passed each other we'd all say, "We have a new president! We have a new president!" The joy was obvious.
But now, Mr. President, I find myself looking back on that night with disgust at my own naivete. The House just passed a Health Care Bill, something you clearly care about and something you were instrumental in getting done. But at what cost? At the cost of women's health. I have never, in my whole life, been so disgusted at the American government. I have never felt so ashamed to be an American. I have never been so disappointed at my elected officials, and never felt as though you all failed me. Us. Women.
You may not like abortions, Mr. President, and you may think that a woman's mental health isn't enough of a reason to allow her autonomy over her body. But now this bill, one that you announced with evident glee on Sunday, has not only failed to provide full health care coverage to women, but has actually reduced health care options for all of us. Abortions aren't fun; they aren't a roller coaster ride at a state fair, they aren't a shopping spree, they aren't a drug addiction; they are a medical procedure, legal in the United States.
Besides your pitiful response to issues important to people who gay about equal rights, in the form of your negligence and reticence to do anything about the absolutely unconstitutional ban on gay marriage and the, quite frankly, bullshit you've been giving us about Don't Ask Don't Tell, your refusal to acknowledge that this health care bill actively decreases coverage for millions of Americans has shattered any sense I ever had that you might actually usher in a new era. An era where all people--even the gay ones, even the ones with two X chromosomes--are considered as important as the rich, white, heterosexual men that run the oligarchy we call Congress.
I regret voting for you, Mr. President. Quite frankly, I have ceased to see America as anything but an antiquated country uninterested in progressing towards an egalitarian world in which everyone is free. Women are not free. Our soldiers may be fighting Iraqis for some abstract notion of spreading "freedom, liberty, and democracy," but over here the government, and culture, is waging a war on women's freedom. When 15 year-old girls aren't free from gang rape, when teenage girls are getting raped in disgustingly high number across the country, when women are getting murdered and the police look the other way, as in Cleveland, when our government finds it acceptable and the president finds it honorable to provide full health insurance coverage to men but only partial health insurance coverage to women, and in fact erodes health care coverage for women, it becomes perfectly clear that your government, you, my government, the American people (by which I mean American men, as that seems to be the preferred definition of "people" in Washington DC), do not care about women's rights.
Oh and also if everyone is so hepped up about capitalism, why are they so upset about the presence of so-called illegal aliens (how can a human's existence be illegal, Mr. President? I'm pretty sure that only actions, not existence, can be illegal.). Denying them health coverage, even though they are in fact human beings just as human as me, born and raised in Western New York, clearly sends the message that we are not interested in their welfare. But you cannot have capitalism, you cannot have free trade, if you don't also have the free movement of people across borders. People who call you a socialist, which is quite frankly laughable to anyone with the critical thinking skills to see any problem at all, even a minor one, with capitalism as it exists today, imply that capitalism is the only true American economic system; but without the presence of the undocumented workers our capitalist system would fall. You have to know this. You are clearly more intelligent that I am. And you know what? Despite the comma splices that cover this internet message box, I am really intelligent! So I can only imagine how smart you are. So why aren't you being smart on camera? You've been elected, Mr. President. You have the seat. You have the White House. Why don't you act like you do? Why don't you be the man you promised us you'd be? Why don't you do the things you promised you'd do? Because you were making those promises to American women, too, Mr. President. I listened to your speeches, I heard my name in your use of the second-person grammatical construction of all your promises, just as much as my father and brother and boyfriend did. So why am I the only one of us who loses with your election?
Your wife should be president. Hilary Clinton should be president. I doubt they'd refuse to cover something that only affects have the population, like prostate cancer or (for God's sake!) Viagra, on a national health insurance bill. I doubt they'd throw women under the bus. I won't ever forget what happened to me this weekend. I lost faith in the American government completely. It was pretty low when George W. Bush was president, dropping bombs on innocent civilians and actually torturing people in the most unAmerican presidential term since Andrew Jackson tried to kill all the Native Americans. But at least I never expected anything from him. He never promised anything but a perpetuation of the status quo, and that's what he gave us. You, however, promised more. And you have failed, utterly, utterly failed to live up to your promises.
Sincerely,
Cimorene
It's probably not good that I used the word "bullshit." But at least I left out all the "fucking"s and "motherfucker"s that I said in my head when I wrote it. #healthnuts
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[www.slate.com] #healthnuts
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@Zemar has a good point too, that this is far far from actually being socialised. #healthnuts
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I am extremely disappointed that the abortion clause is such an issue, because whether the plan covers abortion or not, the bill is fiscally irresponsible and doesn't improve the system. What would have been nice is, instead of bickering over whether or not to cover abortion, Congress had worked to find a plan that makes health care more affordable and efficient without costing billions or trillions of taxpayer dollars.
I've said repeatedly that I support health care reform, and I do. Wholeheartedly. But reform implies that something actually improves, and this bill isn't going to do that. #healthnuts
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I am extremely disappointed that the abortion clause is such an issue
Allow me to offer my insincerest condolences that my right to control my uterus is inconveniencing you. #healthnuts
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On a slightly more serious note, I agree with everyone else. We need an underground network of Jezzies to help each other out. As a red state resident, such a thing would bring me comfort. We could talk in code: "We have a Code Stupak. What's your 20?" #healthnuts
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[www.womenonwaves.org] #healthnuts
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This is not a perfect bill, I'm not sure there could ever be a perfect bill (something that satisfied everyone). But I'll take anything at this point!
I and others I know are screwed right now because of health insurance companies and their pre-exisiting conditions bullshit right now.
We should take something and then work our way towards the ultimate goal. Ted Kennedy style. #healthnuts
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This bill:
1) Further restricts abortion access (but only for people who are stupid enough to be poor or middle income)
2) Does nothing to control health care costs or change the disastrous fee for service model
3) Ensures continued windfall profits for insurance companies
This was totally worth spending months screaming at each other.
Also: Claire McCaskill, if the exchange and subsidies will only affect a small portion of Americans, then why did we even bother? If your argument is that it doesn't matter that only a small portion of American women will lose access to abortion, why should I care if only a small portion of Americans doesn't have health care period. YOU ARE MAKING THE ASSHOLES' ARGUMENTS FOR THEM. #healthnuts
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I can't see the silver lining, sorry.
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