I fail to see how being on a movie set for 2-3 months a year equates to your kids being raised by a nanny. Couldn't your kids have come on set with you? Lots of women work for extended periods of time --some are even deployed at war-- and their kids turn out ok. And hasn't your mother been living with you? She couldn't keep an eye on the kids while you were on set? Tons of successful actresses work and have families: Susan Sarandon, Goldie Hawn, Meryl Streep, to name a few. I'd also be really interested to know what movies she turned down for the sake of her children.
I seems that with the kind of money coming into her household, she could have had both family and career. But whatever justification works for you, I guess.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Wait, you want actors who are self-confident? Wow. That's insane. You'd never be able to manipulate them like silly putty ever again. Can't have that.
I looked it up and Robin has actually been in at least one film since 1992. Even though she worked less, it isn't like she completely stopped. She actually averaged about 2 films a year. It is lower than Sean's 3-4 films a year, but it also seems like a pretty nice place to be. I'd assume she makes enough money that Sean's is irrelevant and at the same time she was able to work occasionally. She made the choice between being famous and being personally fulfilled.
I had a discussion with a friend the other day in which she said something like, "I think that people need to focus more on their families. I'm not saying just women! Men need to, too. But I think that sometimes women just want to be seen as being able to do everything - go to work, have a clean house, have perfect kids."
Gaaaah. No one ever accuses men of wanting to "have it all", or thinks that having children and a career is too much work for them.
@Annabellie: Hear hear. And not only that, but there are a lot of women who feel they need to be seen that way -- otherwise their peers, their families, their bosses, will be forever hounding them with both "why aren't you" and "why didn't you".
(Which, imo, is one of the things that leads us to compete with each other to complete mental, physical, and emotional exhaustion.)
Side side note, The Princess Bride has a beautiful soundtrack. Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits fame. BEAUTIFUL. My dad had the record and I wore it out, and it always reminds me of her.
@Penny: I LOVE you for bringing this up! My dad and I are HUGE Knopfler/Dire Straits fans, and his Screenplaying album, which has the Princess Bride soundtrack along with his songs for a couple other movies, has been played almost nonstop at my house, especially during dinner.
I'll be seeing Mark Knopfler in concert for the third time this May and am SO EXCITED!!
@sequined: @Penny: Where have you two been all my life?!?! There is a dearth of Knopfler fans among my friends and acquaintances outside of Internetland!
@dogcow, @Penny, @largirl, @la.donna.pietra, @collegecamel: How do y'all feel about his stuff with Emmylou Harris? I don't love it as much because I like his voice a lot better than hers, but I want to hear other opinions.
oh robin. waking up in your 40s in this cruel ageist industry. may you have a career like meryl and mirren.
on another note, we will never be equal as people until we can all fail the same. if a woman/minority puts out a movie that doesn't take, it's seen as a referendum that audiences don't want to see ALL movies featuring women/minority protagonists. however, there are so many movies that fail yearly with white, male protagonists and the same wide sweeping assumptions are never made.
@bess marvin, girl detective: Yep, and again, this is simply a reflection of society at large, where The Other is forced to represent his or her "kind."
@Penny: used to be. talent agency refugee. aspiring screenwriter.
i remember a phone call in which a studio exec told my boss that they wanted a guy to write their action movie because "it's a tough movie that needs a tough voice." my boss and i, both black women, gagged afterwards. but to say that hollywood is different from any other industry in its racist, sexist assumptions is not true and then you feel resigned all over again.
@bess marvin, girl detective: Yeah. Not many people liked Men Who Stare At Goats, but no one says that 'nobody wants to see a comedic war film with well known leads.' They say: 'wow the director/writer sucks.' Or they just laugh at Ewan's accent and enjoy it for what it is.
@aspiringexpatriate: But then again, it's not the audience that says 'oh man that movie wasn't good, I'll never watch George Clooney again.' It's the execs that say 'oh that movie wasn't good, I'll never fun Jodie Foster again.' It doesn't really make sense. But that's the rub. Just two days ago I had a discussion with Paisley arguing virtually the opposite point. Yay me.
@OneBigPear: I saw my life branching out before me like the green fig tree in the story. From the tip of every branch, like a fat purple fig, a wonderful future beckoned and winked. One fig was a husband and a happy home and children, and another fig was a famous poet and another fig was a brilliant professor, and another fig was Ee Gee, the amazing editor, and another fig was Europe and Africa and South America, and another fig was Constantin and Socrates and Attila and a pack of other lovers with queer names and offbeat professions, and another fig was an Olympic lady crew champion, and beyond and above these figs were many more figs I couldn't quite make out. I saw myself sitting in the crotch of this fig tree, starving to death, just because I couldn't make up my mind which of the figs I would choose. I wanted each and every one of them, but choosing one meant losing all the rest, and, as I sat there, unable to decide, the figs began to wrinkle and go black, and, one by one, they plopped to the ground at my feet. ~Sylvia Plath, The Bell Jar, Chapter 7
that said, what WOULD one do to change the way Hollywood operates? It is common knowledge how the industry operates and it doesn't leave much room for "being a mom" and "being a working/busy actress"
what is the solution and does there need to be one? It seems that she and many other actresses made the two work together in a way they were mostly satisfied.
This always feels like the conundrum for women in highly public careers. If you're not being the "perfect" everything, all the time, it leads to disappointment from your peers or whoever it is who feels like commenting on what you do and what choices you make. There seems to be this expectation that women in particular can and should be all things to all people. That every role they do must be great, revelatory, visionary. There's no real middle ground. An actress must be constantly striving to be "the greatest actress of her generation" or...what? She hasn't achieved anything?
Robin Wright has done a pretty wide variety of roles and has, so far as I can see, challenged herself creatively. There should be a measure of success in that, regardless of box office, or whatever other limits people want to put on it.
I'm not much of a celebrity person, and I don't view acting that way. Acting, to me, is the final stage of live storytelling. And since I believe stories are one of the things that can, ideally, connect us, shape us, and change us, then it's not a frivolous or stupid profession depending on how you approach it. Wright has always struck me as someone who wanted to tell stories in her work, and has sincerely tried to do that in each role. That means more to me as part of the audience than whether she's "the greatest actress" of her generation. That seems arbitrary to me anyway.
@Annabellie: I will never understand the fierce love that surrounds this movie. And honestly, the Princess spends all her time hanging out in captivity, waiting for someone to rescue her.
@deeemer: Because it's a silly, subversive, funny take on fantasy tropes, mostly. It plays around with so much in terms of conventions, and does it with a lot of humor and a huge grain of salt. It constantly pokes fun itself.
Buttercup is a play on all the typical fairytale girl things, but she does have a backbone when she needs it. She's just not in a position to really control everything she wants to. The book makes some of it clearer, as does the actual screenplay, but mostly, it's just fun.
I can completely see why it's a movie you'll either love or you won't. It's very stylized, very particular humor, and relies on some really specific tropes. I love it for that, because it does so with a tongue firmly in its cheek.
@Annabellie: I love love love The Princess Bride, but I can definitely see her not being proud of it. Her job was mostly to be pretty and useless. I wouldn't be surprised if she had the same opinion of Buttercup as Robert Pattinson does of Edward. How do you act Beautiful?
@la.donna.pietra: Yes, but I didn't realize that till I was much older than when I first saw the movie. As a kid, I was just annoyed that she didn't even do a good job of hitting the ROUS with a stick. She's good. She played the part really really well. But I don't think it would be going too far to say out of all the parts in the movie, that one had the least character to work with.
Clint is right, which makes it Schadenfreude Central at my mom's place. (She loves him.)
Hugh, I'm thinking Tiger doesn't get that reaction when he plays golf. Maybe it's you?
Stephanie, methinks thou dost protest too much. Kind of like the "I just vant to be aloooone" thing yesterday. If you mean it, buy an island like Johnny Depp did. Seems to have worked for him.
Speaking of Johnny -- Cedric is okay and all -- but he, George, Brad, HughJ, Clive, Denzel, Rafa, and Roger are all still very much alive -- so since when does a sparkly vampire trump The Wolverine? Adamantium, forsooth, PeopleMag.
@madeofawesome: Well, I'm not sure I'd go that far with RPattz. I've seen shots of The Depp doing the über-grunge back in the day with equivalent relish (though IMO it did not diminish teh hott).
You are so right, however, about the RDJ. And I can't believe I didn't include The Butler in The Kilt.
I love men who play golf! Incidentally, my dad plays at the same club as Hugh Grant. I saw him from a distance once, my only ever non-book-signing celebrity sighting.
He's also very good. His name is on a couple of trophies at the club. Not that I, like, walked aroung checking them for his name on purpose or anything. Nosiree. #nicolerichiepaparazzi
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I seems that with the kind of money coming into her household, she could have had both family and career. But whatever justification works for you, I guess.
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I think it's also not an accident.
Great post. Thanks for it.
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Gaaaah. No one ever accuses men of wanting to "have it all", or thinks that having children and a career is too much work for them.
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(Which, imo, is one of the things that leads us to compete with each other to complete mental, physical, and emotional exhaustion.)
Whatever we do, it's not enough.
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I'll be seeing Mark Knopfler in concert for the third time this May and am SO EXCITED!!
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My dad makes fun of my for my obsession with The Jez, but whenever I tell him about people who feel my musical ju-ju.....he gets it.
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Also, moving this over to #groupthink
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on another note, we will never be equal as people until we can all fail the same. if a woman/minority puts out a movie that doesn't take, it's seen as a referendum that audiences don't want to see ALL movies featuring women/minority protagonists. however, there are so many movies that fail yearly with white, male protagonists and the same wide sweeping assumptions are never made.
12/15/09
You in the industry, out of curiosity?
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i remember a phone call in which a studio exec told my boss that they wanted a guy to write their action movie because "it's a tough movie that needs a tough voice." my boss and i, both black women, gagged afterwards. but to say that hollywood is different from any other industry in its racist, sexist assumptions is not true and then you feel resigned all over again.
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Also, can you explain "fig tree moment"? I've never heard that before...
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that said, what WOULD one do to change the way Hollywood operates? It is common knowledge how the industry operates and it doesn't leave much room for "being a mom" and "being a working/busy actress"
what is the solution and does there need to be one? It seems that she and many other actresses made the two work together in a way they were mostly satisfied.
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Robin Wright has done a pretty wide variety of roles and has, so far as I can see, challenged herself creatively. There should be a measure of success in that, regardless of box office, or whatever other limits people want to put on it.
I'm not much of a celebrity person, and I don't view acting that way. Acting, to me, is the final stage of live storytelling. And since I believe stories are one of the things that can, ideally, connect us, shape us, and change us, then it's not a frivolous or stupid profession depending on how you approach it. Wright has always struck me as someone who wanted to tell stories in her work, and has sincerely tried to do that in each role. That means more to me as part of the audience than whether she's "the greatest actress" of her generation. That seems arbitrary to me anyway.
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But... but... The Princess Bride...
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I do love the movie, though. Especially any and every part involving Andre the Giant.
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Buttercup is a play on all the typical fairytale girl things, but she does have a backbone when she needs it. She's just not in a position to really control everything she wants to. The book makes some of it clearer, as does the actual screenplay, but mostly, it's just fun.
I can completely see why it's a movie you'll either love or you won't. It's very stylized, very particular humor, and relies on some really specific tropes. I love it for that, because it does so with a tongue firmly in its cheek.
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Hugh, I'm thinking Tiger doesn't get that reaction when he plays golf. Maybe it's you?
Stephanie, methinks thou dost protest too much. Kind of like the "I just vant to be aloooone" thing yesterday. If you mean it, buy an island like Johnny Depp did. Seems to have worked for him.
Speaking of Johnny -- Cedric is okay and all -- but he, George, Brad, HughJ, Clive, Denzel, Rafa, and Roger are all still very much alive -- so since when does a sparkly vampire trump The Wolverine? Adamantium, forsooth, PeopleMag.
RIP, Ken. I'm really in denial about this. #nicolerichiepaparazzi
11/17/09
And don't forget RDJ. He's a god among men. #nicolerichiepaparazzi
11/17/09
You are so right, however, about the RDJ. And I can't believe I didn't include The Butler in The Kilt.
You see? My wurld, it imploedz. #nicolerichiepaparazzi
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He's also very good. His name is on a couple of trophies at the club. Not that I, like, walked aroung checking them for his name on purpose or anything. Nosiree. #nicolerichiepaparazzi
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Unfortunately, upon closer inspection, none of them have turned out to be Robert Pattinson. Darn. #nicolerichiepaparazzi
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Oh, the vast spectrum of humanity.