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JLady
10/29/09

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Amy Smart looks gorgeous. Also, I have a dress rather like that in my closet and I am thinking I should dig it out. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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Tippi Hedren
10/29/09

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True story: Ricki is actually a long lost member of the Mouskewitz family. She's why Fievel went West. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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Ailatan
10/29/09

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James Chuda is the Dennis Quaid of the future. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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hfree
10/29/09

@Ailatan: I was thinking the same thing! He could be his dad (still doesn't explain Randy. . .) #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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drinkwater
10/29/09

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Public Service Announcement: Nobody, including Ricki Lake, looks good in peasant caps.

Very nearly nobody.

Are you Sly of the Family Stone? No? Okay, then. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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thelastsara
10/29/09

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But Ricki Lake was there! Bad outfit or not I consider this a win. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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Ms Meghan
10/29/09

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Jessica Capshaw: I'm gonna have nightmares about what this dress is doing to her breasts.

Ricki Lake: the hat doesn't work, really, and the dress is a glorified sack.

Anna Getty: This dress really works in spite of all the draping/gathering/ruching. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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hfree
10/29/09

@Ms Meghan: I'm wondering if her dress was open in the back so she wasn't wearing a bra. I'm not blaming the dress per se, but the possible lack of undergarments. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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JLady
10/29/09

@Ms Meghan: Anna Getty looks quite excellent in that dress.

But Jessica Capshaw, I'm not sure I even knew satin could do that to a person. That dress is like a cautionary tale. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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georgina
10/29/09

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Cyd Wilson is an example of "Seasonal Mullet Dressing": Summer up top- Winter down below. Not to be confused with "Gosselin Hair Style Dressing": Winter up top- summer down below (scarf with flip flops). #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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Skellatrix
10/29/09

@georgina: You do have a point, but I interpret it more as "I don't feel like shaving my legs" - chic. #healthychildhealthyworldgala
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Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC
05/26/09

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It's faulty logic to say that having a non-white child makes someone non-racist.

I know more than a few white women who have sex with black men and still don't care for black women. So, her saying that she has a non-white son, has precious little to do with the argument.
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topsy
05/26/09

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Just because you fuck darkies, doesn't mean that you can't be a racist. If Ashley had finished elementary school, she would know that.
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foodandshoes
05/26/09

@topsy: Uh, this. And every rapist slave owner, Balkan war criminal, Rwandan Janjuweed fighter, every warrior since there was an us and a them.
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topsy
05/26/09

@foodandshoes: I'm sorry, I'm not following.
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bluesbelle
05/26/09

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Really the only race there is for humans, is the human race. Ethnic backgrounds are more akin to breeds. Like an orange cat and a black cat are both still cats, same goes for humans. Categorizing us into different races was the work of scientist who knew better but wanted to promote division and provide reason to treat non whites as inferior on the so-called basis of race. They knowingly lied is what I'm saying. In actuality, there are not enough differences between different ethnic backgrounds to meet the requirements of different races. In the constant proliferation of using pc terminology, I am astounded that we haven't yet corrected the fallacy of race and replaced it with something accurate instead.
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topsy
05/26/09

@bluesbelle: I don't think I agree with you. I am black; there were a couple of rapists in the family tree on my father's side (and my Spanish greatgrandmother). I believe that there is a difference. The point is that difference shouldn't be synonymous with unequal. It pisses me off that once again, the black women have to explain themselves. The whole 'I'm loud because I'm black'. Anybody who has watched Rock of Love knows that Ashley and her crew have no fucking reason to feel superior to ANYONE in the known world.
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Cuntlovin
05/26/09

@topsy: I don't think she is trying to say there is no difference, but rather that the difference is social product, not a biological. There is no biological basis for race. This is evidenced by the fact that historically what constituted other races has changed, for example the Irish used to be considered different race from the English, and this was used to perpetuate racism against the Irish in New York during the large migration due to the famine.

What we consider race is a social value and identity assigned to particular phenotypes. This doesn't imply that racism doesn't exist, that people don't live very different lives because of race, but rather that we have built this huge cultural system that is mostly used to oppressed, on something that we have created ourselves, not biology.
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topsy
05/26/09

@Cuntlovin: I hear what you're saying. And I know that there is no biological basis for race. That's why I find racism so funny; I much prefer class-ism. It's just that, for me, I celebrate racial differences; it makes life different. So I don't think the separation of people into races is a bad thing.
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sshacker
05/26/09

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Her child whiteif the father is the same one she introduced to us on ROLB. I mean is it really hard for people to get that Hispanic is not a racial category it is an ethnicity, which means a person can be Hispanic and White or Hispanic and Black etc.
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Cuntlovin
05/26/09

@sshacker: Wait a second, I know that symbol, it can stand for only one institution!

That said, although I understand technically speaking Hispanic is not recognized as a race by the United States government, the fact is that race is a social category and what constitutes a different race has changed through out history. And for many purposes the Hispanic population in the USA and Canada is treated as another race, in that they through society much as a racial minority would, and most people tend to assume that hispanic all look the same (which obviously they do not).

So what I think the blonde chick was trying to prove was that (not that this defends her analysis) is that her son is reasonably a PoC or minority...Not that this defends or validates her half assed argument, but just because Hispanic is not a race, and because many white Hispanic's pass as white doesn't mean that Hispanic isn't treated as a racial category by many, and isn't expereienced within the same system of oppression.
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sshacker
05/26/09

@Cuntlovin: My alma mater :-) Well, the undergrad one.

I understand what you are saying, but technically, it is wrong for her to say her son is not white. He is! I mean Jews are discriminated against based on their religion/ethnicity it doesn't make the majority of them (at least in the US), for lack of a better phrase, 'less white'.
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topsy
05/26/09

@sshacker: Whatever the child is technically, his own mother has labeled him as non-white or 'the other' God bless that poor little boy.
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MarissaExplainsItAll
05/26/09

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The other seasons of Charm School have been nothing but entertaining, but I think this season is way too serious and incredibly frustrating to everyone who doesn't pull the bullshit excuses that EVERYONE is using. That said, I'm a masochist apparently because I keep watching hoping it will get better.
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TheEternalOptimist
05/26/09

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The blond chick that has the "half-white" baby reminds me of a childhood friend of mine. He's biracial. His mom is white, and his dad is black. He has green eyes and blond hair. He decides if he's black or white depending on the situation. If he's applying for a job; then he's white. If he's applying for school, then he's black. That pissed me off enough to never speak to him again.
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AlmostDream
05/26/09

@TheEternalOptimist: Why would that piss you off??
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TheEternalOptimist
05/26/09

@AlmostDream: Because he wasn't dealing with the issue straight up. Pick a race a stick to it is what I feel, but I realize that can't be done exactly. I just felt like he was abusing some sort of "privilege" by picking the side that best suited him at the time. My other friends in the same situation have picked a race and stuck to it as much as possible. Just MHO.
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mbot says Spock yeah!
05/26/09

@TheEternalOptimist: I don't know. Speaking as a bi-racial person myself, I feel like it comes with so much general fucked-up-edness* that you need to grab advantages wherever you can. I like the Emerson quote: "Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes."

*spocked-up-edness?
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Cuntlovin
05/26/09

@TheEternalOptimist: How can you pick a race when you are honestly both? That we even live in a culture where you have to pick a race is ridiculous. Honestly as someone whose background includes Cuban, Puerto Rican, Dutch, Irish, and African, if someone told me to pick a race and stick with it, they would probably get smacked.
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Triana Orpheus
05/26/09

@TheEternalOptimist: Why does he have to pick a race? He's both. You're essentially telling him to deny one of his parent's background.
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mbot says Spock yeah!
05/26/09

@Cuntlovin: I totally agree. Just because one half of my racial background is more visually evident than the other doesn't mean the other isn't just as much me.
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topsy
05/26/09

@Triana Orpheus: So-called 'choosing' doesn't mean anything. Most of the time, the choice is made for the biracial person. The President of the United States is a perfect example. He identifies as a black man, but always celebrates his white mother and her family.
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Evie Havok
05/26/09

@mbot says Spock yeah!: Don't you already have all of the advantages that you can every possibly need if you look white? Does someone really need to play at being the minority to get more "advantages"? I think that's what EternalOptimist was trying to say. Some people are just greedy.
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roxrharris
05/26/09

@TheEternalOptimist: I don't know, my boyfriend looks very white but he is a quarter Cuban and because he identified as Hispanic on his college scholarship applications he was eligible and subsequently awarded grants and scholarships based on a part of his ethnicity that he admittedly knows little about (I speak more Spanish than he does..) But he was able to graduate debt free and i think that's pretty awesome.
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Evie Havok
05/26/09

@roxrharris: He stole that opportunity from a well-deserved person who is actually part of the many hispanic cultures. That's anything but awesome.
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Skellatrix
05/26/09

@TheEternalOptimist: I know I am very late to the game here, but "pick a race and stick to it" is the kind of talk that helps perpetuate stereotypes. No, I will not pick a race. I am half Cape Verdean. Even if I were 100% Cape Verdean, I couldn't "pick a race" because we are, as a nationality, multiracial. Go look up Cape Verde on Wikipedia--it's an interesting/sad place.
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Dayman-Fan
05/26/09

@Evie Havok: What?! How did he "steal" anything from someone? He's Cuban, he IS a minority! He may not know as much about his culture as others, (which probably isn't his fault), but that doesn't make him a thief for receiving a scholarship. How do you know that other "well-deserved" person (what makes you think he wasn't "well deserved?") didn't receive a scholarship, as well. Jumping to conclusions, aren't you?
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Evie Havok
05/26/09

@Dayman-Fan: She said he was a quarter cuban. Ha! That's like when white people say that they're 1/16 or a 1/4 Sioux [insert other Native American tribe here]. I'm a quarter white, too. That doesn't seem to mean much of anything to me or anyone else. Nor do I receive any special privileges from it either. Neither should anyone else. There comes a time when the minority "blood" becomes diluted enough to just be plain old white. Plus, cubans, aside from afro-cubans, are mostly racially white. So, essentially they gave a minority scholarship and grants to a white person. That is not fair.
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TheEternalOptimist
05/26/09

@Evie Havok: *That's* the point I was trying to make. It is unfair to use something to your advantage, such as this, just to get ahead. What about the people that actually deserve it, and are denied?
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iKniter
05/27/09

@Evie Havok: Well if someone else were well deserving then wouldn't they have gotten it? He looked good on paper, checked the right boxes, and his credentials matched up. These forms never say what percentage of a ethnicity you must have in order to apply.
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Evie Havok
05/27/09

@iKniter: They should. White people already have the advantage and just because they have a little ethnic in them they're going to get more? Yeah, that doesn't suit well for me. Or almost any other minority that has to work twice as hard as a white person.
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tracylynn
05/26/09

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Sometimes it's so painful to watch inarticulate people express themselves. If these ladies had the tools to express their feelings without resorting to daytime talk show cliches, then this episode would have fulfilled the vague promise to actually bring these two poles together for a discussion about race - but if they had those tools, they wouldn't be on this show clinging to their trashy identities while trying hard to 'change.' I do think that Rikki is the best host though and I might actually watch this season in real time rather than fast forward like with all the other V1 shows.

So I'm just going to go watch Obama's campaign speech on race again.
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Tippi Hedren
05/26/09

@tracylynn: It could have been a really meaningful discussion, but Ricki did not do a good job mediating it in a way that would facilitate that. The only reason why everyone stopped screaming is because they want to win. I don't think anyone left the discussion with a better understanding of the other side.
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Macloserboy
05/26/09

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I can't enjoy this show any more. The girls are so clearly damaged it's not even remotely fun. Both Kiki and Bay Bay Bay have problems with anger so great it's painful to watch. The way they explode over Bubbles at the slightest provocation makes me squirm. And though she doesn't show it here, we know that Brittanya has anger issues as well. Others have flat out admitted they think little of themselves. Not that this show is even remotely about helping them, but if they wanted to at least give it lip service then a Dr. Drew or some other therapist should be on it.
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Snowbunny
05/26/09

@Macloserboy: Brittanya talking about her legal troubles is really taking a lot of the "reality show" magic (as in "not reality at all show"). That sounds bratty of me, like I'm saying "How dare you monkeys talk about jail time rather than dancing!" but it's true.
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