I am REALLY upset that Hank was dropped for Vick. Michael Vick is a piece of scum who should NEVER have been let back into the NFL. And from watching Kendra, Hank seems to be a really down to earth sweet man. This sucks. I hate football even more now.
Jessica Simpson needs to be more realistic. It would be one thing if she lost the dog and didn't know what happened...in that situation, duh, you look for it. But if the last time you saw your dog it was IN a COYOTE'S MOUTH...honey...I hate to tell you, but your dog was dinner. It's sad, but it's nature. Accept it and stop bothering your neighbors.
Also, when I was 19 (ok, last year, but whatever), I lived in a dorm room with cinderblock walls. Lawnmowers woke me up at 7:30 am. Course, I date a 21 year old, not a 1000000000000 year old.
Jon, dogs are a part of the family. You should no more send them back than you would one of your kids. When you move, you move somewhere that will accept them. Case closed.
@joanna23: A lot of breeders will stipulate when they sell you a puppy that if ever you are going to give it away, you must give it back to them. At least this way they have some control of what happens to the poor animal.
I blame Jon, but I also blame Kate. It was their joint decision to get the dogs (I'm sure to help ratings too), and who the hell get 2 GIANT dogs when they have 8 kids??
I would like to formally request Moar Puppeh Pictures to counter the badness in this post. It does my dog-loving soul bad to read about Jon Craphead Gosselin throwing his precious doggies under the bus AND Jessica Simpson's poor little likely lost pup.
I'm not exaggerating, after reading both of those I wanted to cry. In fact, I'm going home now to hug my dogs.
@squeakel: You know, I never really got all the hate towards the song. It just seemed like a fun, silly song to me and I always liked it b/c it had sort of an 80's vibe to it. I don't think she was even trying to make some sort of statement about being a lesbian or anything.
I'm not gay, so I have no idea about the experience, but I was a little put off by the quote when she called out "lipstick lesbians" as if women who like to do their hair and get pedicures and look "feminine" (though I think Beth looks feminine herself) are somehow not gay enough?
But I temper that because I can't imagine how hard the experience she was trying to describe was so I can understand feeling some anger toward the whole situation and by extension toward people who don't have to experience that.
@erinna: i dunno, in my mind, not really fair to deflect your own bad experience on other people (i.e lipstick lesbians) because they have (allegedly) not been subjected to the same bad experience(s) as yourself.
i think shes being a bit of a bully, to be honest.
@rd2uk: oh, I totally agree. I think the whole term "lipstick lesbian" is kind of derogatory, as if they aren't gay enough for whatever reason. And all the Katy Perry hate is totally misdirected (you know what? i've kissed a girl, and i liked it, not saying that makes me a lesbian though)
But my main point is, I'm not gay (or really fall into any minority group) so I don't know what its like to have my reality shaped by negative experiences due to that, so I will give some leeway to people who have experienced things in that way. I think just dismissing someone as a bully shuts down the conversation.
@erinna: you're right, i dont mean to dismiss her at all, and in hindsight should not have used that term. What i meant to say was, she has been having a go at katy perry about that song for several months now, in several different interviews, and its taking on a bit of a punching bag vibe, in my opinion.
@rd2uk: well, her and this entire website have been using Katy Perry as a punching bag and a punchline. And I never really got why...she's just making silly pop music songs and doing it kind of ok IMO
@squeakel: It's a silly, lighthearted song that belittles and hypersexualizes lesbian experiences. I actually AM gay, and I have a huge problem with my sexuality being condensed into 3 minutes of a song about hoping that your boyfriend doesn't mind your screwing around on the dancefloor with women while drunk.
@erinna: Katy Perry also has a song called "Ur so gay," a song that is basically a list of stereotypes. Considering that song with "I Kissed a girl" I don't think she's the most gay-friendly pop star out there.
@erinna: to speak for myself, and not all queer people: the song bugs me because she is kissing a girl without a feeling for her, cheating on her boyfriend, and probably planning on telling him to titillate him later. I don't feel as if it makes lesbianism acceptable, I feel as if it says: "straight girl kissing girls is hot! Don't worry, she's not in love with a girl, she'll go back to her boyfriend"
@NellMood: Well, "I kissed a Girl" is the only Katy Perry song I know, so I can't speak to her gay friendliness...
Having several gay friends, I've had to learn to remove "that's so gay" from my vernacular (I was a child of the 80's, I never even thought about its actual meaning) and have had to defend my friends against idiot bigots. I just never thought that one particular song was so bad.
@GirlyQ wants Ziva: I guess I have a different take on the song because I've kissed girls in many different situations, both with my boyfriend there and without. I am not gay, but also am not very stringent with how I define my sexuality, so I always just saw it as a girl who was having fun experimenting... oh and also, plenty a straight girl has kissed a guy without feeling for him, so I think that argument is kinda moot.
This is the woman who sings, "You change your mind like a girl changes clothes. You PMS like a bitch, I should know."
In the process of suggesting that ONE guy is indecisive and cranky, she implies that ALL women are. Pop music is powerful and these lyrics are offensive.
@elaineandbrain: I kindly direct you to pretty much every pop song ever written/sung. The first time I heard "If I was a boy" I was pissed the hell off by it, but yet Beyonce get praised all the damn time. And that song is pretty dismissive to both men and women I would say....
The term lipstick lesbian comes from porn imagery. You know, the kind of porn that features women getting it on for the benefit of a straight man. The kind of porn that has nothing to do with actual lesbians or lesbian sex. That song is just one more example of a culture that constantly tries to frame lesbians and bi women as unthreatening, fickle creatures who'll forget about teh ladies when presented with a real live dick.
It gets old. Really, really fucking old. It's not silly and fun when every fucking time you tell some dickweed you're a lesbian they suggest you take a ride on their disco stick because hey, you'd forget about your significant other if you'd just get fucked by the right guy.
So yeah, not so harmless when you have to live around people who do subscribe to the particular sexist stereotype that song keeps repeating over and over and over.
@erinna: It's not just kissing someone without feeling. She refers to this girl as a game, and doesn't even think it matters to know her name. I don't think that's holding up LGBT rights as anything awesome, even if I don't think the song is outright harmful. I have HAD this happen to me. It sucks, and it's done just to turn on guys, and this song is holding it up as awesome.
And defined sexuality, experimentation, or no, I feel very hurt if someone kisses me all night to 'try' something. Especially if they were in a relationship with someone else.
You don't have to dislike the song, but I should think you'd at least be able to see why an actual queer girl might.
@erinna: I find it pretty sad that you read Beth Ditto's statement and the thing that bothered you the most was not her upsetting experience at the hospital, but her attack on Katy Perry.
@heykoukla: Oh jeez. Read my statement again. I didn't say that the Katy Perry thing bothered me MOST, just i was put off by the lipstick lesbian reference and she was using Perry as an example of that...BUT that it was a horrible experience she went through at the hospital and couldn't imagine having that be part of my experience of reality.
I'm also just pointing out that I don't get all the hate for the song, and by extension, Perry. Its a frivolous pop song and really to get all up in arms about the lyrics in pop music is a zero sum game. There's way worse out there.
@erinna: Ah, yes, the "there's way worse out there" argument. So what CAN we get angry about? Should I check in with you first?
Anger at the way queer women are portrayed in pop culture and at the representation of one's experiences/identities is not a zero sum game, either. I can be irritated at Katy Perry and still have anger to spare for greater injustices across a whole host of social issues. Dismissing the experiences of those who find the song problematic because of their lived experiences with a "she should lighten up" is fucked up. "Lighten up" is what all kinds of marginalized folks get told when they raise issue with the status quo, and it's just another way of saying, "Your experiences and your feelings don't matter."
So you don't experience that particular piece of pop culture the same way as Beth Ditto? Fine. But if you want to know why so many queer women take issue with Perry and her song, Feministe had a good piece on "I Kissed a Girl" a while back -- the comments will give you an idea: [www.feministe.us]
@greeneyedfem: yes. please check in with me. i'd like that, it reaffirms my feeling that the world revolved around me :-)
I think my original point got missed.... I wasn't trying to say Beth Ditto needs to "Lighten Up" (I think that was the post I happened to respond to) I was just saying I don't see all the hate for the Katy Perry song but qualified that by saying that I don't have her experience so I can try to understand her anger toward the sentiment.
@curiousgeorgiana: Maybe Jessica Simpson wants them. Things do not look good for poor Daisy. I would be traumatized. Jon Gosselin would probs shrug and help himself to a second handful of hair gel.
@leesie: I'm more aggravated that now the overcrowded and underfunded animal shelters will more than likely have two more hard to place doggies on their hands.
@SarahMC: Actually, I respect Jon for returning the dogs to the breeder. Not having watched much of this season, I did spot the dogs momentarily kenneled up, which made me wonder. Our cairn terrier breeder gave us very specific instructions "If you ever split up, please return the dog to me". Under the circumstances, I think the Gosselins have done the right thing.
@SarahMC: He is probably going to tell his kids that Kate made him do it in hopes that they will turn on her. He seems much more concerned about getting back at Kate than about his children's welfare.
@contratheherd: I guess it's better than... leaving them chained up behind the house and letting them starve or something.
He just seems like such a sociopath. He seems to have no attachment to his kids, no conscience, is willing to abandon dogs he's had for a while now... just seems like a cold, unfeeling man.
@SarahMC: I totally understand your feelings, but really, the dogs are much better off with the breeder. Jon was the only one who seemed to really care for them. Reputable breeders only want their fur-bies in stable homes. Yes, it is too bad for the kiddies, but is the best situation for the pups. Besides, those kids get so much stuff anyways.
ah i dont know if i agree with beth ditto. nobody should trivialize the struggles faced by any minority (gay,black,middle eastern, blue, whatever), but it makes me really uncomfortable that she'd use terms like 'boner dyke' and consequently add a negative conotation to 'dyke' and 'lipstick lesbian'.
@rd2uk: I actually like the term "boner dyke" although I'm not sure why she used it interchangeably with lipstick lesbian, which I find to be kind of demeaning... I would assume boner dyke means someone who pretends to be a lesbian solely for the purpose of attracting male interest, whereas a lipstick lesbian is an actual lesbian who's conventionally feminine and pretty. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting the terms?
@LawFairy: i think the terms are both used to mean different things dependent on context and person using the term...just she seems to use them both as being implicitly negative, which is kind of unfair, i think.
particularly as shes responding to katy perry who really (imo) is making a positive statement about being open minded in terms of sexuality. sure, shes perhaps 'trivializing' homosexuality by prancing around singing a silly song about it, but surely thats what we WANT? for it not to be such a taboo topic?
@LawFairy: Yes. I am lipstick, and took umbrage at it seeming to mean I'm not gay enough. Lipstick usually refers to girly lesbians who are into other girly lesbians, whereas boner dykes is more what I think of when I think of Katy Perry cheating on her boyfriend, and when I say cheating, I mean kissing a girl so she can turn him on later.
That quote made Hailey Glassman come off pretty horrible. Call your boyfriends ex 'Katezilla' and imply that you aren't super interested in meeting his children? Ugh.
@JessaFields: They need to stop talking. They complain that they are being treated unfairly in the press and then dig themselves deeper by saying stupid thins like this. Kate is such a class act compared to Hailey and Jon.
@chersolly: I've never heard of that. Do you know where that phrase comes from? Am I missing some obvious connection?
@ TheGuvnah: Yeah, it really bothers me. I will fully confess to being too sensitive and serious about a lot of things, but I'm just not okay with "wife beater."
@Justine: Are you saying that's the origin of wife beater? Because that I get. And hate. Guinea tees I didn't get, but I just looked up- apparently it's an ethnic slur against Italians. So again, I'm sticking with undershirt, or sleeveless shirt, or whatever other mild synonyms there are.
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I hate to break this to you Kate, but saying there was no romance for him probably wouldn't be a lie, if you catch my drift.
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@LawFairy: He even has a heart!
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Save the anger for those who are actually hurting gay people.
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I'm not gay, so I have no idea about the experience, but I was a little put off by the quote when she called out "lipstick lesbians" as if women who like to do their hair and get pedicures and look "feminine" (though I think Beth looks feminine herself) are somehow not gay enough?
But I temper that because I can't imagine how hard the experience she was trying to describe was so I can understand feeling some anger toward the whole situation and by extension toward people who don't have to experience that.
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i think shes being a bit of a bully, to be honest.
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But my main point is, I'm not gay (or really fall into any minority group) so I don't know what its like to have my reality shaped by negative experiences due to that, so I will give some leeway to people who have experienced things in that way. I think just dismissing someone as a bully shuts down the conversation.
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Having several gay friends, I've had to learn to remove "that's so gay" from my vernacular (I was a child of the 80's, I never even thought about its actual meaning) and have had to defend my friends against idiot bigots. I just never thought that one particular song was so bad.
@GirlyQ wants Ziva: I guess I have a different take on the song because I've kissed girls in many different situations, both with my boyfriend there and without. I am not gay, but also am not very stringent with how I define my sexuality, so I always just saw it as a girl who was having fun experimenting... oh and also, plenty a straight girl has kissed a guy without feeling for him, so I think that argument is kinda moot.
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This is the woman who sings, "You change your mind like a girl changes clothes. You PMS like a bitch, I should know."
In the process of suggesting that ONE guy is indecisive and cranky, she implies that ALL women are. Pop music is powerful and these lyrics are offensive.
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The term lipstick lesbian comes from porn imagery. You know, the kind of porn that features women getting it on for the benefit of a straight man. The kind of porn that has nothing to do with actual lesbians or lesbian sex. That song is just one more example of a culture that constantly tries to frame lesbians and bi women as unthreatening, fickle creatures who'll forget about teh ladies when presented with a real live dick.
It gets old. Really, really fucking old. It's not silly and fun when every fucking time you tell some dickweed you're a lesbian they suggest you take a ride on their disco stick because hey, you'd forget about your significant other if you'd just get fucked by the right guy.
So yeah, not so harmless when you have to live around people who do subscribe to the particular sexist stereotype that song keeps repeating over and over and over.
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And defined sexuality, experimentation, or no, I feel very hurt if someone kisses me all night to 'try' something. Especially if they were in a relationship with someone else.
You don't have to dislike the song, but I should think you'd at least be able to see why an actual queer girl might.
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I'm also just pointing out that I don't get all the hate for the song, and by extension, Perry. Its a frivolous pop song and really to get all up in arms about the lyrics in pop music is a zero sum game. There's way worse out there.
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Anger at the way queer women are portrayed in pop culture and at the representation of one's experiences/identities is not a zero sum game, either. I can be irritated at Katy Perry and still have anger to spare for greater injustices across a whole host of social issues. Dismissing the experiences of those who find the song problematic because of their lived experiences with a "she should lighten up" is fucked up. "Lighten up" is what all kinds of marginalized folks get told when they raise issue with the status quo, and it's just another way of saying, "Your experiences and your feelings don't matter."
So you don't experience that particular piece of pop culture the same way as Beth Ditto? Fine. But if you want to know why so many queer women take issue with Perry and her song, Feministe had a good piece on "I Kissed a Girl" a while back -- the comments will give you an idea:
[www.feministe.us]
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How is it belittling? It's not about YOUR sexuality. It's not about lesbians. It's about a straight girl who experimented and enjoyed it.
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My point. You missed it.
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I think my original point got missed.... I wasn't trying to say Beth Ditto needs to "Lighten Up" (I think that was the post I happened to respond to) I was just saying I don't see all the hate for the Katy Perry song but qualified that by saying that I don't have her experience so I can try to understand her anger toward the sentiment.
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My second and third paragraphs above should have been addressed to the original commenter squeakel.
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And the poor kids! Pets (especially after the damned year these kids have had) can help children get through the most stressful of situations.
But yeah--don't worry about your kids' reactions to losing one of the only constants in their young lives, Jon. You just keep bein' you.
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particularly as shes responding to katy perry who really (imo) is making a positive statement about being open minded in terms of sexuality. sure, shes perhaps 'trivializing' homosexuality by prancing around singing a silly song about it, but surely thats what we WANT? for it not to be such a taboo topic?
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@ TheGuvnah: Yeah, it really bothers me. I will fully confess to being too sensitive and serious about a lot of things, but I'm just not okay with "wife beater."
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