Is that a dude? Could they not scare up a real woman to participate in their bizarre theater of the damned? Look dude, as soon as you can squirt out an actual baby, you can tell me what to do with my ladyparts.
I'm just wondering when they'll be protesting in favor of prenatal care for all those precious, precious snowflakes? Or well-child checkups so we can address our skyrocketing infant mortality rates? I suppose a kid getting a vaccination isn't as "dog-bites-man" as some douche doused in red food coloring wearing a plastic baby doll like neck bling.
@Never_Nude: I'd have guessed the woman was Nancy Reagan's ghost, a la some bizarre Dickensian fantasy about Republican Christmas Past .... But she's still alive, and better than this nonesense. #dianaroccograndi
God, there's a different permutation of these mouth-breathing fuckers here en masse every other weekend. If one more tea party anti-choice boner with his NOOBAMA t-shirt and American Legion hat gets on the train next to me, I'm gonna stuff him in his own fanny pack. #dianaroccograndi
I was seriously worried that in between fevrently denying basic civil rights to their fellow humans, screaming lies about the President, health care, and the economy, damning anyone who votes left-of-bigot to hell, these people would lose track of their horrible ways. Glad to see the mouth-breathers learned to multitask. #dianaroccograndi
Oh, please, everyone knows that when Nancy Pelosi performs abortions (in her spare time), she wears dirty gardening gloves and the chain is rusty and metal. Let's at least try for realism. #dianaroccograndi
It's interesting that these anti-choice protesters get so into their depictions of bloody dead babies. I think it takes a special kind of person to chain a dismembered baby doll around his neck and douse himself in fake blood. #dianaroccograndi
@NellMood: Also interesting how they never get caught up in the plight of living babies. Because (as you know) there is not a single hungry, abandoned, sick or abused baby. #dianaroccograndi
@RenoMartini: Nah- once they're born, who cares? Supporting the mother and child would be intervening on a private matter, blah blah blah... #dianaroccograndi
@NellMood: I have always wondered if people who tear up baby dolls ever feel guilty about not giving those dolls to kids who would have so much more fun with them! #dianaroccograndi
@sunflowersutra: I think they definitely don't feel guilty. These people stand in front of schools with these bloody dolls to teach kids a lesson- clearly child health and welfare is not a priority. #dianaroccograndi
Not only is this gross and ineffective, it is WRONG. There are laws in place preventing government funding of abortion. Educate yourselves, crazies. #dianaroccograndi
"...to discuss everything from feminist pop culture to whether "feminism" is a dirty word."
Re: Feminism being a "dirty word". My first exposure to the term was in a Spice Girls autobiography book (called Girl Power) or something, when I was 9-10 years old. There was a big block quite from one of the girls (Geri I believe) that said, "Feminism has become a dirty word now, girl power is a new way of saying it" or something like that. I had NO IDEA what feminism meant or was, so I thought "dirty word" = "curse word" and I would hide that page of the book from people whenever I was reading it in public so they didn't think I was reading something naughty. Now that I look back on it, I think that book planted the seeds of feminism in me, even if I thought it was a swear word. #feminism
I know that talking about talking is important. But I feel like the single biggest issue facing the women's movement is: Where do we go from here?
So many women and men appear (by their actions--or more exactly, lack of action) content with where western culture stands today. So many women seem cowed by "feminism"-shaming into accepting that they're equal, when all signs point to the contrary. So many people seem to think things are good enough or to not appreciate how much better they could be. We're lacking consensus about what the next issues are and so we're kind of stuck in this dialogue of sex liberation and little else.
Men were content to give us our quasi-sexual liberation (They get laid more!) and happy to forgo chivalry (Cheaper! They can keep their seats on the train!). But what about the things that seem increasingly to recede in the future: Equal pay. Real help for working mothers. Equality in domestic tasks.
We're at a point at which losing the right to choice seems not impossible. And where is the mass consciousness among women? We're all taking our husbands names and neglecting to vote instead of being thankful every day for where we are and being aware of how much further we have to go.
Ok, not you. But maybe some of the women you know. The ones who make you feel like a caricature for wondering why you're worth less. #feminism
@JerseyGrrrl: I agree with your point on the state modern feminism. It rings true when I hear people discussing these times as a "post-feminist world".
The language itself makes me feel like most people think feminism is unnecessary and that equality has been achieved.
I know it's a loaded term and I might not be using it properly, but I just can't accept it, use it or like it. #feminism
@JerseyGrrrl: Totally agree with this. Language issues aside, I am concerned that few people even see sexim in 2009 and aren't engaging in our continuing fight for equality. #feminism
@Mushu_the_educated_whale: Completely agree. "Post-feminist" really gets me mad. It seems to imply not only that the movement is ended but also that its goals have been achieved. I especially hate to read it in newspapers and magazines that otherwise seem intelligent.
It's as ludicrous as it would be to say "post-civil-rights era," which I believe was briefly tried after Obama's inauguration. Having your head in the sand must be comfortable.
@SarahMC: I'm thinking about this. I believe some people do see it, they just don't see that it's sexism because of the social-blinders a lot of people have on. Take my bf for instance. He's totally supportive of my desire for a career and usually really good about sharing household tasks (we all get lazy), etc. But I can tell that a lot of things in mainstream culture don't seem like a big deal to him until I point out how they affect me. Like when I was telling him about how there seems to be an unspoken assumption that it's natural for the guys in my classes to do well, but even when I ace everything I'm expected to need a lot of help. Or when I get cat-called or stared at inappropriately when we go out, he realizes how rude and crappy it is.
A big problem comes when things are too often discussed in theory, without enough women and girls talking about how these everyday issues actually affect us personally. I know just being on this site every day for over a year now and reading the posts and comments has opened my already-feminist eyes to the inequalities we still face.
It's similar to how some people are totally homophobic until they discover that someone they know and love is GLB or T. Suddenly it clicks that these are real people, not just theoretical characters.
The other day I was at a wake (of all places), and my mother and her distant cousin were talking about my mom's vacation with my dad, for which she was leaving the following morning. My dad was packed, as he smugly told them and me, and my mom wasn't ready to leave yet because she takes foreevverrr to pack, as he smugly and grumpily started snarking on her for. My mom and her cousin were like, "Well I'm sorry but it's just you don't know if it will be hot or cold and where you'll go for dinner and so you need to bring lots of clothes so you can have choices" blah blah blah.
I got on my feminist soapbox and was like, "Don't apologize for yourselves. Women are judged based on what they wear in a way that men aren't. Women have to adjust their clothing for slight differences in the atmosphere of restaurants and locations, men have basically 3-4 options and don't have to worry about being judged for their clothes and appearances the way women do, so please don't apologize for this because it isn't you fault, and dad you need to shut up because it's not them as much as the world they live in." My mom, who hates that I'm a feminist, and her cousin were basically looking at me like, "...yeah. Yeah!"
So I've found that the best way to talk about feminism is to talk about what it means to be a woman, especially for women who are hostile to the concept of feminism--my mom, for instance, is vehemently anti-abortion, so feminism means baby-killing to her. This isn't the first time I've done stuff like this with her--talking about how she is more frustrated than my dad because her options are more limited than his, she was always expected to be a 100% mother and 100% worker, when that was impossible, and how she is judged by the way her house looks in a way my dad isn't--hell, she's judged on the way my father looks in a way that he isn't. I know my mother frequently feels like she's going crazy, and is sad, and is frustrated, because of her gender. But she can't express or acknowledge that right now. So trying to accept her for who she is, trying to allow her to recognize that her frustrations aren't her own personal problem but are understandable, is a good way to be a feminist.
Another version of this is telling women that they are not crazy when they say that they are crazy, like "I know it's crazy to expect my boyfriend to call me when he decides not to come over instead of just not showing up, and I don't want to be the crazy girlfriend who needs him to call me all the time, but it's so sad when I get all ready and he doesn't show." Or something. I try to say things like, "That's not crazy, you just want him to respect you. I hate this bullshit "crazy woman" narrative in which all emotions, especially women's emotions, are called crazy, which just delegitimizes women's feelings and thoughts." That response has also led me to be the secret keeper for lots of women, like "I have to tell you a secret about the time(s) I was raped." Women are so frequently dismissed that refusing to dismiss them is a radical feminist act. #feminism
@Cimorene: i bet this kind of thing happens with couples all the time but i would probably say, "daddy, of course your suitcase is already packed--you weren't busy making dinner, doing the dishes, wiping down the counters, mending your own damn pants, etc etc." #feminism
@JulieSunday: This totally happened when I drove them to the airport. We were an hour late (they almost missed their flight) because my mom was not ready and was late. My dad was like, Why are you late all the damn time?! and my mom was all, "Because I was busy doing stuff you don't do, like cleaning out the refrigerator's old food so it doesn't mold, taking care of the dog and getting him ready to stay with neighbors, washing clothes, etc etc." I silently high-fived her in my mind. Of course my dad was like, "Well you should just tell me to do it and I can help. I wasn't doing anything. Tell me what to do." And I was all, "Why does she have to tell you what to do? Why don't you just realize it has to be done? [quickly turn up the volume on the radio so as to prevent a family fight]" #feminism
@Cimorene: I think sometimes the better way to approach things is by calling them rude than immediately bringing up gender.
I am a very quick packer. I've packer for month long trips in an hour. The reason I don't snark on women who take much longer to pack isn't the patriarchy, its because it is an asshole move. Not calling is again an asshole move.
I think a lot of this stuff plays into gender, but I tend to put the gender issues second to the rudeness. Not because the gender issues don't matter but because independent of gender some things are just dick. #feminism
@Cimorene: Amen to your point on women being treated as "crazy" for expressing frustration, mistrust, fear, or contrary opinions. The labelling of such behavior as crazy not only plays into our fucked-up gender dynamic, it is also a well-known tool of abusers.
It can get so bad that in many cases a woman actually believes that she is or is going crazy. It's referred to as "Gaslighting," after the 1930s movie of the same name. It's a very effective way of keeping women controlled, "in their place" and disrespected by culture at large. #feminism
@clevernamehere: I agree, it is a dickish thing to do. I can't call my dad a dick, though. As much as I'd like to sometimes.
The thing is that gender is so often removed from the equation when one just takes on "rudeness" or whatever, and so it larger cultural trends. This is a behavior that is so often attributed to women that to ignore the fact that gender is part of the equation when my father talks about it is to gloss over the fact that lots of behavior--and therefore the value attribution of said behavior--is inflected by gender.
It's like, my father gets pissed that my mother takes a long time to pack. Besides the fact that why does he even care, he definitely uses it as a "Oh, women!" attitude, in which women are irrationally obsessed with what they wear when men don't care what women or men wear. Pointing out that my father is being rude doesn't change my mother's own ambivalent or shameful understanding of her own relationship with her clothes, because then it's just about him being an ass. My mother obsesses about what she wears in large part because she's a woman, and is therefore judged by how she dresses far more than a man, and because she's fat, and is therefore shamed if she dresses in a way that doesn't downplay her weight. And not just shamed by other people, shamed by herself. But my father, just as fat as my mom, doesn't care, because his body isn't a political space on which gender and weight-related issues are getting played out.
So my mother not only feels anxious about what she wears and how she looks, which makes her obsess about her clothes, she also feels bad about feeling anxious about it and even worse about obsessing over her clothes, because that's supposedly an irrational behavior. Except it's not, if you're a woman, because you're right to think that you're going to be judged based on how you look. Much of our culture is structured around women being judged based on their bodies. So it's important to point out to my mom that she shouldn't feel bad, because her obsession/anxiety does not exist in a vacuum, it isn't just her that has this behavior, and my father isn't just being an ass, he's being an ass in a very specific, gendered way. To focus just on his assiness is to ignore the fact that his behavior is caused by and perpetuates gender stereotypes and value judgments. It's kind of like why calling someone an asshole or some other non-gendered, raced word, is less offensive than calling someone a n*gger, cunt, fag, dyke, etc. Because those words have a history, and the weight of a bigoted culture behind them, in a way that calling someone an asshole doesn't. Calling someone a [bigoted slur] is a dickish thing to do, but it's more than that, because it's part of a larger system in which individual dickishness is almost beside the point, because it becomes part of a culture that perpetuates this bigotry. #feminism
@BetteD: This is so true. I have seen my dad use the "You are acting crazy" line against my mom as a weapon many, many times over the years. And I see men do it to women they are dating or stringing along as well. #feminism
I also think of "feminism" these days as idescribing a process of discovery - that the world is shit - rather than a purely prescriptive program. I hate to admit it but I might be moving towards understanding feminism as a "discourse." Kill me now. #feminism
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I'm just wondering when they'll be protesting in favor of prenatal care for all those precious, precious snowflakes? Or well-child checkups so we can address our skyrocketing infant mortality rates? I suppose a kid getting a vaccination isn't as "dog-bites-man" as some douche doused in red food coloring wearing a plastic baby doll like neck bling.
I weep for our future. #dianaroccograndi
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Re: Feminism being a "dirty word". My first exposure to the term was in a Spice Girls autobiography book (called Girl Power) or something, when I was 9-10 years old. There was a big block quite from one of the girls (Geri I believe) that said, "Feminism has become a dirty word now, girl power is a new way of saying it" or something like that. I had NO IDEA what feminism meant or was, so I thought "dirty word" = "curse word" and I would hide that page of the book from people whenever I was reading it in public so they didn't think I was reading something naughty. Now that I look back on it, I think that book planted the seeds of feminism in me, even if I thought it was a swear word. #feminism
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So many women and men appear (by their actions--or more exactly, lack of action) content with where western culture stands today. So many women seem cowed by "feminism"-shaming into accepting that they're equal, when all signs point to the contrary. So many people seem to think things are good enough or to not appreciate how much better they could be. We're lacking consensus about what the next issues are and so we're kind of stuck in this dialogue of sex liberation and little else.
Men were content to give us our quasi-sexual liberation (They get laid more!) and happy to forgo chivalry (Cheaper! They can keep their seats on the train!). But what about the things that seem increasingly to recede in the future: Equal pay. Real help for working mothers. Equality in domestic tasks.
We're at a point at which losing the right to choice seems not impossible. And where is the mass consciousness among women? We're all taking our husbands names and neglecting to vote instead of being thankful every day for where we are and being aware of how much further we have to go.
Ok, not you. But maybe some of the women you know. The ones who make you feel like a caricature for wondering why you're worth less. #feminism
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The language itself makes me feel like most people think feminism is unnecessary and that equality has been achieved.
I know it's a loaded term and I might not be using it properly, but I just can't accept it, use it or like it. #feminism
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It's as ludicrous as it would be to say "post-civil-rights era," which I believe was briefly tried after Obama's inauguration. Having your head in the sand must be comfortable.
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A big problem comes when things are too often discussed in theory, without enough women and girls talking about how these everyday issues actually affect us personally. I know just being on this site every day for over a year now and reading the posts and comments has opened my already-feminist eyes to the inequalities we still face.
It's similar to how some people are totally homophobic until they discover that someone they know and love is GLB or T. Suddenly it clicks that these are real people, not just theoretical characters.
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I got on my feminist soapbox and was like, "Don't apologize for yourselves. Women are judged based on what they wear in a way that men aren't. Women have to adjust their clothing for slight differences in the atmosphere of restaurants and locations, men have basically 3-4 options and don't have to worry about being judged for their clothes and appearances the way women do, so please don't apologize for this because it isn't you fault, and dad you need to shut up because it's not them as much as the world they live in." My mom, who hates that I'm a feminist, and her cousin were basically looking at me like, "...yeah. Yeah!"
So I've found that the best way to talk about feminism is to talk about what it means to be a woman, especially for women who are hostile to the concept of feminism--my mom, for instance, is vehemently anti-abortion, so feminism means baby-killing to her. This isn't the first time I've done stuff like this with her--talking about how she is more frustrated than my dad because her options are more limited than his, she was always expected to be a 100% mother and 100% worker, when that was impossible, and how she is judged by the way her house looks in a way my dad isn't--hell, she's judged on the way my father looks in a way that he isn't. I know my mother frequently feels like she's going crazy, and is sad, and is frustrated, because of her gender. But she can't express or acknowledge that right now. So trying to accept her for who she is, trying to allow her to recognize that her frustrations aren't her own personal problem but are understandable, is a good way to be a feminist.
Another version of this is telling women that they are not crazy when they say that they are crazy, like "I know it's crazy to expect my boyfriend to call me when he decides not to come over instead of just not showing up, and I don't want to be the crazy girlfriend who needs him to call me all the time, but it's so sad when I get all ready and he doesn't show." Or something. I try to say things like, "That's not crazy, you just want him to respect you. I hate this bullshit "crazy woman" narrative in which all emotions, especially women's emotions, are called crazy, which just delegitimizes women's feelings and thoughts." That response has also led me to be the secret keeper for lots of women, like "I have to tell you a secret about the time(s) I was raped." Women are so frequently dismissed that refusing to dismiss them is a radical feminist act. #feminism
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I want to shout that from the rooftops, slap it on a bumpersticker, splash it across the evening news. #feminism
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I am a very quick packer. I've packer for month long trips in an hour. The reason I don't snark on women who take much longer to pack isn't the patriarchy, its because it is an asshole move. Not calling is again an asshole move.
I think a lot of this stuff plays into gender, but I tend to put the gender issues second to the rudeness. Not because the gender issues don't matter but because independent of gender some things are just dick. #feminism
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* In an alternate universe where I have no impulse control or aversion to needles, of course. #feminism
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It can get so bad that in many cases a woman actually believes that she is or is going crazy. It's referred to as "Gaslighting," after the 1930s movie of the same name. It's a very effective way of keeping women controlled, "in their place" and disrespected by culture at large. #feminism
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The thing is that gender is so often removed from the equation when one just takes on "rudeness" or whatever, and so it larger cultural trends. This is a behavior that is so often attributed to women that to ignore the fact that gender is part of the equation when my father talks about it is to gloss over the fact that lots of behavior--and therefore the value attribution of said behavior--is inflected by gender.
It's like, my father gets pissed that my mother takes a long time to pack. Besides the fact that why does he even care, he definitely uses it as a "Oh, women!" attitude, in which women are irrationally obsessed with what they wear when men don't care what women or men wear. Pointing out that my father is being rude doesn't change my mother's own ambivalent or shameful understanding of her own relationship with her clothes, because then it's just about him being an ass. My mother obsesses about what she wears in large part because she's a woman, and is therefore judged by how she dresses far more than a man, and because she's fat, and is therefore shamed if she dresses in a way that doesn't downplay her weight. And not just shamed by other people, shamed by herself. But my father, just as fat as my mom, doesn't care, because his body isn't a political space on which gender and weight-related issues are getting played out.
So my mother not only feels anxious about what she wears and how she looks, which makes her obsess about her clothes, she also feels bad about feeling anxious about it and even worse about obsessing over her clothes, because that's supposedly an irrational behavior. Except it's not, if you're a woman, because you're right to think that you're going to be judged based on how you look. Much of our culture is structured around women being judged based on their bodies. So it's important to point out to my mom that she shouldn't feel bad, because her obsession/anxiety does not exist in a vacuum, it isn't just her that has this behavior, and my father isn't just being an ass, he's being an ass in a very specific, gendered way. To focus just on his assiness is to ignore the fact that his behavior is caused by and perpetuates gender stereotypes and value judgments. It's kind of like why calling someone an asshole or some other non-gendered, raced word, is less offensive than calling someone a n*gger, cunt, fag, dyke, etc. Because those words have a history, and the weight of a bigoted culture behind them, in a way that calling someone an asshole doesn't. Calling someone a [bigoted slur] is a dickish thing to do, but it's more than that, because it's part of a larger system in which individual dickishness is almost beside the point, because it becomes part of a culture that perpetuates this bigotry. #feminism
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