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resonanteye
01/23/09

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as born a month after roe v wade passed, and my mother had to drop out of school to have me and raise me by herself. I understand the time-travel paradox sound of this, but I wish it had never been illegal, because so many women's lives were harmed before it was legalized.

Thanks, older ladies, for all the help and all the hard work getting abortion legalized. I know that without it I'd never have gotten to where I am in life.

Society may only slowly move forward, and we might take tiny steps back, but there's no fighting it- eventually we make progress. Eventually the right things prevail. We get more freedom, more choices in life, and despite all the backward drag the tide still will rise.

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Ipomoea
01/22/09

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There are chalked messages all over my college campus today that say things like "1/3 of our generation ABORTED" and "50 million SILENCED". Someone went around to all of them and inserted "safely and legally" during classes, which was a nice touch. I wish I had a catchy slogan to tag onto the end of them about supporting cheap, effective BC and comprehensive and factual sex ed, but I think my arm would get tired after the first one.

And seriously, that arm is my abortin' arm. (Kidding!)
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Hooplehead
01/22/09

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Also, DC area Jezzies, please be aware:

"Rush hour commuters should be advised that there are rolling street closures in the vicinity of the Capitol- 1st St. NE, Madison Dr., E. Capitol St, Jefferson Dr., Constitution Av + Pennsylvania Av, due to the March For Life."

Because nothing says righteous indignation like messing up rush hour traffic.
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Bunny_of_doom
01/22/09

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Every woman's uterus is her own damn business. Use it, don't, roast it over a fire, take it out for a spin, I.Don't.Care.

Religious folks: You are not going to change anyones mind by standing there and yelling at people that have free will. The same goes with pro-lifers. Yelling and waving signs with pictures of dead babies yields no results other than a majority of people thinking you're sick and playing some twisted game with peoples minds. You people are not the ones that have to make a decision, others do. Grow up and learn to respect other peoples private issues. I'm sure if I were to march up to you with a sign telling you that every time you take a dump you're "killing" bacteria because you are expelling it from your body you'd think I'm nuts. but as you say, "you're taking an innocent life." Won't you stop to think of the bacteria?

Protesters could line up here right now and yell at my uterus trying to get it to do what they want. I'll train my uterus to jump out and tell them to STFU. So far, I have been unsuccesful.

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Brigit
01/22/09

@Bunny_of_doom: HA! Fucking hell, preach it! Won't anyone think of all the poor yeast that died to make bread? Those are innocent life too!
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lilu
01/22/09

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we could walk around with pictures of dead women who succomed to injury and infection from botched wire-hanger abortions. or pictures of bruised and battered women who became pregnant from sexual assault.

to the anti choice masses: you cannot be both anti-choice and anti-contraception. it is not fair.

anti-choice = anti-women in my book.
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Hooplehead
01/22/09

@lilu: to the anti choice masses: you cannot be both anti-choice and anti-contraception. it is not fair.

I had a horrifying/enlightening convo about this with one of my few conservative friends. I pointed out that more BC access and info=less abortions and reiterated my position that modern women should not be considered immoral for refusing to get pregnant every time they have sex ala Michelle Duggar. He then pointed out that I share a position with Sean Hannity, who has apparently been pushing that viewpoint. After I got done freaking out, I was relieved that any wingnut on the right is talking any kind of sense about this issue.

IMO the people who refuse to consider the real world issues faced by pregnant women in less than ideal circumstances and offer no real alternatives ("just have the baby" + no referrals, help or ideas of how to support said baby=FAIL) are not pro-life, they are anti-sex. Not for men, of course, just for the "slutty" women who bear the consequences for having sex.
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morninggloria
01/22/09

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One thing that anti-choicers don't get is this:

Abortion is not something that anyone is excited about having. I have cried, and cried, and cried, and cried and been unable to fall asleep because I can't stop thinking about how much it sucks. It's the least shitty life-fucking choice out of a set of life-fucking options that a woman has.

So, answer me this multiple choice test before you condemn me, fuckers.

A: Marry someone you are not prepared to marry so that you can raise a child when you are not prepared mentally for motherhood. Also, you have no family within 300 miles of the city where you live. Neither of you do.
B: Have the baby and give it to one set of grandparents, forever fucking over your and your partner's relationship with the set of grandparents that doesn't get to keep the baby.
C: Having the baby and giving it up for adoption, forever fucking up your relationship with both sets of grandparents, who would insist on taking care of the child and likely fight over the baby. Also, stigma of being an unmarried pregnant woman. Also, go through labor.
D: Having the baby and raising it on your own. You make less than 50K a year and you live in a major city.
E: Terminate.

ALL OF THOSE CHOICES FUCKING BLOW.
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permanentbitchface
01/22/09

@morninggloria:

"It's the least shitty life-fucking choice out of a set of life-fucking options that a woman has

Yep. Lucky us. I consider the right to have an abortion my consolation prize for having been born with a uterus, which was not my choice.
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morninggloria
01/22/09

@permanentbitchface: I wish I could just take out the ol' ovaries and put them on ice until I needed them.
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MizJenkins
01/22/09

@morninggloria: ::treads lightly::

Personally I'd go with C: tell the grandparents politely that it's none of their business and to get over it, accept the pregnancy and labor as my penance for what was hopfully some good lovin' (that I knew damn well might lead to this) and then devote my energy to tearing down the stigma.

At least that's what I hope I would do...

But yeah, such is the burden of women.
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morninggloria
01/22/09

@MizJenkins: What would be ideal would be if I could just take it out right now and put it into someone else's uterus and they can have it and raise it.
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mayfly
01/22/09

@MizJenkins: I don't mean to jump in to your conversation here, but I'm curious why you think there should be "penance" for good sex?
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morninggloria
01/22/09

@mayfly: I agree with you; the fact that the "penance" is something that only the woman experiences is bullshit.
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MizJenkins
01/22/09

@morninggloria: Ha! "Wife Swap" indeed. But minus the nine months of gestation and labor (which are mostly just uncomfortable and inconvenient) adoption is pretty much the same thing right?

Not trying to impose my views on your womb (because I hear your womb has a very nice view - ba dum dum), but one of the things that makes me very uncomfortable with the pro-choice movement is the extent to which I think it's driven by this "stigma" of which you speak...and more specifically the extent to which this stigma is based on racial prejudice.

In most minority communities there is a much stronger stigma surrounding abortion than around being an unwed mother. Due in part to the fact that so many men of color are incarcerated or otherwise made unfit or unavailable by a racist society, there is a higher priority placed on keeping family and communities in tact by bringing life into the world at any cost. Especially in the black community where for hundreds of years your baby could be taken from you and sold whether you liked it or not.

Of course, this does result in a lot of children being born to mothers who are ill-equipped to provide for them...it's an unfortunate reality in minority communities. But the fact that it's a "stigma" among upper/middle class white people (i.e., don't be like THOSE people) kind of chaps my ass.

Does that make any sense?
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MissyMcCLung
01/22/09

@morninggloria: It is totally bullshit, but also an unfortunate consequence of biology. Whatever you choose you can be sure this will affect you more than the boyfriend.

Also - just a note - but often parents don't react the way we think they will. If option C is a serious consideration they may end up being more supportive than you would expect.
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Red-headed bookworm
01/22/09

@MizJenkins: Interesting information. I do payroll for a manufacturing facility where most of the workers are men of color. Most of them have at least one child support order they pay each week. I always wonder why it seems like such a high proportion but that may be part of it. At least their kids are getting health care coverage since they work here and the guys make a decent wage.
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MissyMcCLung
01/22/09

@MizJenkins: It does make sense to me. And also I am a firm believer that while some people never become competent parents, the majority of people can and will do ok. Lots of children raised in poverty or by young parents end up successful, well adjusted individuals. (It is statistically less likely, but there are some strong indicators that that is more related to the statistical likelihood of people with lower IQs having children younger and earning less money.)
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MizJenkins
01/22/09

@morninggloria: The penance thing...woman's burden, that's all. I guess I should have said "consequence". No one said it was fair, but that's biology and I'm generally one for owning up to the consequences of my decisions (if in fact I'm aware of them at the time I make the decision).

The same consequence exists for bad sex of course...but that sucks so much I don't even want to think about it.
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mayfly
01/22/09

@MizJenkins: Thanks for writing this, it is something I was not aware of. My white privilege, let me sho u it!

@MizJenkins: I suppose I'm somewhat sensitive about this because of the slut-shaming attitude we see in some conservatives. It's the reason they're ok with abortion for virgin rape victims, but not for anyone else. If it's something that happened against your will, they'll make an exception, but if you happily enjoyed sex you're a whore who should be punished.

The possibility of pregnancy, even with the best birth control, is something I think most sexually-active women acknowledge. I don't think it follows, however, that you should just accept the consequences as something you somehow deserve. For example, I like to ride my bike, and I know there's a possibility I could get in an accident and be seriously hurt (cell-phone drivers, I'm looking at you!). But if that happens, I'm not going to say, refuse to let doctors set my broken bones, or do whatever medical procedures I need to make myself better. I realize that's not a perfect analogy, but am I kind of making sense?
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MizJenkins
01/22/09

@mayfly: I completely understand your sensitivity. Maybe the word "consequence" isn't exactly right either, because as you've illustrated it triggers notions of crime and punishment.

I don't think having sex for pleasure is a crime - I am totally anti slut-shaming. I guess all I'm saying is that the ability to bear children is both a privilege and a burden and a privilege and I don't have a lot of patience for women who whine about how it's "no fair" that they can't have one without the other.

Part of sexual empowerment IMO is owning the awesome responsibility that comes along with having sex as a woman. Again, pregnancy is not a punishment. It's not something you "deserve" for being bad...I think that line of logic implicitly assumes that women are victims of something. It's a POWER - the power to create life - and until we acknowledge that the power is totally within our control I think we are doing ourselves more harm than good.

P.S. - I'll see your biking analogy and raise you a smoking analogy. Sure if you get lung cancer no one should deny you treatment, but does anyone really owe you sympathy? Compassion maybe, but sympathy?
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Hooplehead
01/22/09

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We just got the tourists out of town and now we have to deal with wingnuts, too? Get out of my town, people! Go back to whatever corner of nowhere you came from and take your aborted fetus signs with you!
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silentrationale
01/22/09

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Hi guys, this is a great day to contact your local Planned Parenthood, etc. and thank them for their work.

I once saw a huge group of protestors in front of PP, so I looked up an email for the office and sent them a message letting them know I appreciate their work and despite all the high-schoolers camped out by their doors, all of the young people I know are pro-choice. They responded and said they forwarded my email around the office and it made their day.
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taranwanderer
01/22/09

@silentrationale: That is a great idea. :)
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midwestmarge
01/22/09

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In my fair city today, some wingnut drove his truck into the front doors of the Planned Parenthood. It was no accident. He was chanting incantations when the police arrived, and refused to give them information. Luckily, no one was injured.
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burningdinner
01/22/09

@midwestmarge: Where?
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Brigit
01/22/09

@midwestmarge: That's a special mix of dangerous and stupid. Damn.

Here's the story you guys[www.startribune.com]
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steampoweredboy
01/22/09

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It's all right in the name "Anti-Choice".

I was very proud of Barack Obama when he called McCain on the "Pro-Abortion" slam during the debates. No one is "pro abortion" and simply opposing the practice does not make you "pro life". Both are silly, didactic nonsense labels.

You either believe that Abortion is a matter of choice, a medical option best left between a woman and her health care provider, or you believe that it is not a choice women are capable of making.

If you believe the latter, you're saying a great deal about how little you think of women.
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morninggloria
01/22/09

@steampoweredboy: Well said.
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Fermina Daza
01/22/09

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I wish there was a way to convey to the conservatives that people don't WANT to have abortions. It's a complicated choice that cannot be mass-lumped into right or wrong.

Would most pro-choicers get an abortion? Probably not. Should it be every woman's choice whether she does or not? Absolutely.
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SarahMC
01/22/09

@ViolentBeauregarde: Most hard-core anti-choicers are simply stupid. No matter how much you dumb things down for them, they insist on being morons.
One of my neighbor's cars has a sticker on it that says "Aren't you glad your mom was pro-life?" - as though all women who are mothers must be pro-life. These people don't even understand the concept of "pro-choice."
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WaltzingMatilda
01/22/09

@SarahMC: That's an excellent point. I gleefully wait for the next time I hear that (cause you know it's always comin' round the bend) so that I can say - Actually, my mom is pro-choice. And she chose to have me. And for that... I am thankful.

I will then watch heads explode.
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whynotshesaid
01/22/09

@SarahMC: OMG, someone actually tried that on me! He said, how would you feel if your mother got an abortion? I said, I wouldn't feel anything about it because I wouldn't be alive!

He was silent after that. I think I literally blew his mind.
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burningdinner
01/22/09

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Hahah my first reaction to that anti-choice article was - do fetuses need a bailout too????

Ugh.

Anyway - happy birthday Roe!
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so_gracefully
01/22/09

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I don't really understand the symbolism of the "LIFE" tape over their mouths. To me it reads as, "Life silences me". A little help??

(At the very least I can say with certainty that I have no problems expressing my views without needing any unintelligible gestures to do it for me. I'm OK with saying "HEY I AM PRO-CHOICE GUISE")
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vulcanized
01/22/09

@so_gracefully: Yeah, I'm confused, too.
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badmutha
01/22/09

@so_gracefully: All of us bonerkillers have taken away the voices of the unborn and so they can't speak about their lives.

Or they are advertising for a new show on CBS.
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WaltzingMatilda
01/22/09

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I may be a bonerkiller, but I moonlight as a babykiller.

Apparently.
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Saltine
01/22/09

bah dum dum tshhh
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vulcanized
01/22/09

@WaltzingMatilda(theOriginal): I prefer to kill boy babies. That way, babykiller and futurebonerkiller! Hurray, efficiency!
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WaltzingMatilda
01/22/09

@vulcanized: 2-for-1s are my favorite!
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Notes from the underwhelmed
01/22/09

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You know, I'm not sure that covering the anti-choicers isn't a subtly pro-choice move. These people make themselves look ridiculous- who wants to be a part of that club?
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morninggloria
01/22/09

@Notes from the underwhelmed: I look ridiculous just fine on my own without believing that crap.
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