Michael Lohan is the new Linda Tripp (tape recording all phone conversations, later using them to forward a political agenda, having poor personal style...)
So I think Kirk Cameron is ridiculous, and I love seeing him looking like an idiot. But in a way, he is right (AHHHHH) Sometimes people do "believe" in evolution in the same way that people "believe" in whatever creationsim story Kirk and the likes are preaching. Some of the UCLA students might be exceptions. . .but the majority of people in the U.S that would agree with the theory of evolution can not cite specific evidence, they are just part of a specific cultural context, and spouting things that were taught to them in middle and high school, often trying to prove that they are scientifically minded and rational in opposition to the bible-thumping creationists.
My point is that, in general, we need to get everyone (even those who believe in evolution) to think critically about scientific theories. Some of the douzy's in 19th century science, right alongside Darwin, are perfect examples of how established science can go haywire without critical thinking (skull measurements and social darwinism). Not to mention, there is so much more that can be explained about evolution, that it would be a pity to see it as a done deal.
@BeRy51: Well, yeah, I think most people are ill-equipped to make a hard scientific argument supporting the theory of evolution (which I do not dispute), and even fewer are prepared to make an argument against it which doesn't rely on the verity of the Bible (and that argument is not at all difficult to dispute, ironically; we have proof that it was written by humans). What bothers me about the creationists is that their goal is not only to discredit evolution as a scientific theory, but it is to replace it with something that is even less grounded in fact, which they contend is actually more true because it involves the Bible. Critical thinking is excellent, and evolution is worthy of critical thought. I just don't think that the Kirk Camerons of the world are capable of it, even if they were willing, which they aren't.
God Damn! If there was a question as to whether or not Jon Gosslin had already crossed the line into horrible, exploitative parenting, that recorded phone call pushes him far, far into the realm of sack-of-shit, pimping dads.
Are we calling this child abuse yet? The Gosslins, like the Lohans before them, are getting awfully close.
You know those phone calls between Gosselin's manager and Michael Lohan were just Michael trying to get John some help! He cares about him and knows he needs rehab.
@lovecake: Really? I think it sounds kind of cool, assuming that it ends up being one of his good movies (which, yeah, is quite an assumption nowadays, but Match Point and Vicky Christina Barcelona were good!).
@eatsshootsleaves: Yeah I can't support someone who took naked pics of his stepdaughter when she was underage. I'll save my $10.oo and go see a movie that doesn't support a pedophile. I am EXTREMELY anti Woody Allen.
@lovecake: that doesnt make his films bad, though. Many of them are actually really good. Don't know how his personal life makes his films akin to being shown in a 'handbasket en-route to hell.'
@rd2uk: His films could be the most amazing cinematical dreams ever written for all I care, I still won't watch them and still refuse to support a pedophile. And yes, supporting a pedophile is my idea of hell. I don't understand the love that he gets from so many on this site- what he has done is NOT OK. Just because she became of age and married him and had his babies doesn't make it right.
@rd2uk:See, on one hand I agree with you. I think that one should be able to separate an artist's work from his life. But here's how I feel about Woody Allen. The films that he makes that don't involve an excuse for him to put his hands on an OUTRAGEOUSLY young actress as his love interest are pretty good (like Match Point and The Purple Rose of Cairo).
But then there's Manhattan. So the movies where HE separates his work from his personal life I can sit through and even enjoy. But then there's Manhattan.
@SusanDeath: I think Manhattan is a great movie, but it blows my mind that his character was dating a high school girl and nobody really minded-- aside from making cradle-robber jokes in his general direction. At the time that movie was made, was it likely or even possible that an older man would openly date an underage girl with no fear of any repercussions? I have no idea.
@ytuhermanotambien: Hemingway's character was 17 in that movie -- the legal age of consent in New York. So their relationship was odd, but not illegal.
some of kirks minions handed out copies of the edited origin of species at my school. the introduction in this version provided HOURS of entertainment. good luck changing a lot of minds in boston, crazies!
Meh, I don't share the Jake Gyllenhaal love, Natalie. Not that I expect anyone here to agree ( I know there's a lot of love here for Jake G), but he gives off the same dead-eye vibe that Tom Cruise does.
@Diziet_Sma: have either of you seen Donnie Darko? I'm not a fan of too much that he's done since, but he is *fantastic* in that film. As is everyone else (Maggie Gyllenhal, Patrick Swayze and every other supporting actor in it). That film rocks.
@femminista: Yeah, of course. It's a great movie, one of my all-time favorites, in fact. But I'm talking about Jake Gyllenhaal as a person, rather than as an actor.
@femminista: I've seen it and loved it but, even in that film, he's got a kind of detachment that pervades every role I've seen him play (even Brokeback). Such an interesting pedigree, and yet...
@heykoukla: Never noticed the dead-eye vibe, I was always too busy looking at all his muscles. ;) I kid, sort of. Really though, maybe he's kind of dumb or dull, but Tom Cruise dead-eyed? I detect a soul behind those eyes.
@heykoukla: You know, on second thought, I can kind of see what you mean re: the detachment factor. It works for certain roles, and not so much in others (oh, the horror that is Bubble Boy).
@ Diziet_Sma: gotcha. And I can admit it. As a person, he can come across a bit milk-toasty.
@heykoukla: Heh.. actually, I saw a poster for Brothers and remarked how they'd managed to squeeze three of the actors I dislike the most into one film.. Natalie Portman, Tobey Maguire and Jake Gyllenhaal.
I realize that sentiment may be only my own.
@femminista: Donnie Darko is great and he's perfect in the role.
I think Jake is a good actor (not brilliant, but solid, good...)
My real love for him comes because he is so damn dreamy. Almost all the news that I ever read about him is about how sweet is his to his friends and family.
He took on a "gay role" which, sadly, is risky in Hollywood. Esp, for someone without a long, (fairly) solid career (I'm looking at you Sean Penn!)
When discussing Broke Back he always discussed it as a "romance" rather than a "GAY romance" despite the wording of interviewers and critiques of the film. I respect and admire him for that- for keeping it real.
He's not a big fame-whore. Just a working actor and nice guy. Who happens to be blessed with adorably good looks, dark hair, and blue eyes...swoon!
I suspect this is why many others have such huge crushes on him.
That was a very long defense. Ha! I guess, I'm a bigger fan that I realized!
@fluxus flucker: dreamy. That's accurate AND it even suggests a bit of detachment... I support you in your defense of J Gyl. Also, quasi-related, I have a major crush on his sister. People can say what they will about Jake, but my girl Maggie can do NO wrong.
@fluxus flucker: It's true about Brokeback - I respect him for that. He is attractive, physically, and he seems like a nice guy (as opposed to a douche, which appears to be the young guy-in-Hollywood default); I mean, a definitely don't dislike him. He just doesn't do it for me. But I'm weird, so there's that.
@Eleanor Ramilly: Well, Tobey M and Jake G are pretty similar in my book...and as for Natalie Portman, I've always liked her more off-screen than on. I'm still waiting for the movie where she convinces me she's a great actress (and yes, I've seen Closer, and no, that was't the film to do it). I'm sure one day...
@heykoukla: Hahaha- I actually recently told a male friend I thought she was a terrible actor, and then I said "and don't come at me with Closer!" Yeesh, I hated that movie.
Jon Gosselin's logic is just... bad. Like, would he have been okay "putting his kids out there to every pedophile on the planet" if they had been fiscally compensated? If you're going to decide to go on a self-righteous crusade out of the blue, it might help your case for you to actually, um, make sense, JG.
Student: Science is based on evidence, where religion is based on faith.
Kirk: But Darwinism is extremely based on faith
Student: Not really, it's based on a lot of evidence.
From the link re: Kirk Cameron v Darwin. That right there made my morning. Bless your cotton socks, Mike Seaver.
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My point is that, in general, we need to get everyone (even those who believe in evolution) to think critically about scientific theories. Some of the douzy's in 19th century science, right alongside Darwin, are perfect examples of how established science can go haywire without critical thinking (skull measurements and social darwinism). Not to mention, there is so much more that can be explained about evolution, that it would be a pity to see it as a done deal.
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Are we calling this child abuse yet? The Gosslins, like the Lohans before them, are getting awfully close.
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But then there's Manhattan. So the movies where HE separates his work from his personal life I can sit through and even enjoy. But then there's Manhattan.
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@ Diziet_Sma: gotcha. And I can admit it. As a person, he can come across a bit milk-toasty.
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I realize that sentiment may be only my own.
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I think Jake is a good actor (not brilliant, but solid, good...)
My real love for him comes because he is so damn dreamy. Almost all the news that I ever read about him is about how sweet is his to his friends and family.
He took on a "gay role" which, sadly, is risky in Hollywood. Esp, for someone without a long, (fairly) solid career (I'm looking at you Sean Penn!)
When discussing Broke Back he always discussed it as a "romance" rather than a "GAY romance" despite the wording of interviewers and critiques of the film. I respect and admire him for that- for keeping it real.
He's not a big fame-whore. Just a working actor and nice guy. Who happens to be blessed with adorably good looks, dark hair, and blue eyes...swoon!
I suspect this is why many others have such huge crushes on him.
That was a very long defense. Ha! I guess, I'm a bigger fan that I realized!
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I love this person.
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Kirk: But Darwinism is extremely based on faith
Student: Not really, it's based on a lot of evidence.
From the link re: Kirk Cameron v Darwin. That right there made my morning. Bless your cotton socks, Mike Seaver.
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And, totally not in KC's corner here, but isn't science based on theory? Can those more scientificky join in? Is that correct, or am I way off base?
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When I read that, I thought it said, "Jon and Kate might be over, but Jon Gosselin's dream lives on!"
I like my sentence better :)