This is bad, but this is not horrifying. In other parts of the world, right now, it is legal to hang gay men or burn them alive. Life imprisonment is practically humane.
Gays = 5%-10% of the populace at the highest reasonable estimate if one includes bisexuality. Homosexual teachers are 7x more likely to molest their students and account for 25% of pupil molestation.
Cohen's financially motivated to make gay people buy his services and become "straight" -- so no matter how he claims the core of his business is sweetness and light, and despite him maybe starting out with a love-everybody thesis, fact is he's got a stake in convincing gay people that there's something wrong with them, and that it can be fixed if you just pay him. And he's written that marketing strategy into his books, by making homosexuality sound depraved and unwanted.
Either he doesn't care that his book's subtext has become Ugandan TEXT, or he's so determined not to think about the negative side of his marketing practices that he's permanently blinkered. Which, considering the topic, is ironic.
I accidentally wrote the longest comment ever in the tips hash last night about this interview for various reasons, mostly because I couldn't sleep and I was totally riveted by the whole thing: [jezebel.com]
So it feels redundant for me to say anything else.
But because I am a hypocritical ass:
I hope that this issue gets coverage from the right, because when I told my mom about it, she scoffed and mumbled something about anti-American something something propaganda something something. General Republican dismissal. So please, forward this issue to the red staters in your lives.
Rachel Maddow is my hero. I guess it's a good thing that dude wasn't in the studio, because if I were interviewing him I would want to haul off and punch him in the face.
On one hand I am glad Rachel Maddow called this ass hat out, but honestly I question if she should have bothered. Although RM is an astute interviewer, I felt like if anyone came off for the worse it was her. Richard Cohen was unshakable/moveable in his convictions and repeated PR mantra of supposed "tolerance and compassion," so much to the point that I thought she got very flustered and was understandably but blatantly angry.
It's a tragedy that this inhumane legislation has support in Uganda, and I respect that RM wants to use her show to bring awareness to this travesty of law. However, life is not an episode of Law and Order. I feel like RM was waiting for this guy to break down and confess that he is a total hack on national television, but he just fed off her antagonism, even when confronted with quotes from his own book. I'm assuming that almost all of RM's audience agrees with her, so I feel like the only thing that was accomplished with this interview was that she gave this a-hole a platform to promote himself.
This is like interviewing zealots like Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'reilly about their roles in instigating the shooting of George Tiller. These are people who will never take responsibility for their actions, and as dispicable and hateful as Cohen's book/"therapy" is, it's a waste of our time to debate people like him.
What RM seems to fail at in this interview, is to acknowledge the agency of the Ugandan people. You can find a book or a hack science to justify anything, however there isn't enough of a candid discussion of how this legislation and Ugandan politics could foster an atmosphere where it could be a real possibility that homosexual men and women could be sentenced to death. Cohen is just a piece of a far more complicated situation, and in many ways, this just came off as a futile excercise to release frustration.
@T_Bee: he just fed off her antagonism, even when confronted with quotes from his own book.
I don't know, I thought he looked pretty bad when she got him to admit he wasn't licensed, and when he admitted he had no idea what he meant by race being a risk factor for homosexuality.
Has anyone ever suggested to these people that perhaps the men that they have cured are bisexual? I find it so frustrating that no one really recognizes male bisexuality, and it is either gay or straight for men.
@thePrototype: I have a feeling that anyone who believes homosexuality can be cured is someone who would not recognize bisexuality as "real". I'm sure they would just think that person was "confused" or, as you said, cured.
hm... "we love all people...people who choose to live a homosexual lifestyle.." and then he says "you keep saying people choose to be gay: we do not believe that."
@acrobatic rabbit: The problem with this is that if one can choose to be straight, then one must also be able to choose to be gay. He was trying to save face in front of Maddow because he knows she's gay.
@PilgrimSoul: I can't watch this clip right now, but can I assume his line is the usual conservative trope in which the hate crime he was subjected to was being hated for his bigoted opinions? Or did he actually experience a hate crime?
@Atomic Bowling: Yeah it was the American Counseling Association's "intolerance" for him that motivated the "hate crime" of kicking him out.
They actually kicked him out for ethical violations involving financial arrangements with his clients in service of promoting his book. But truth, schmuth.
@lermanzo: Actually, what is so infuriating is that there is a cure for his stupidity: reason, rational discourse, critical thinking, getting one's head out of one's ass. Kindness is also a good inroad to combating stupidity.
This man absolutely has blood on his hands. May he realize it before the violence and hatred escalate further. (Sadly, I'm not holding my breath)
I'm going to say it: I feel sorry for Richard Cohen. Not just because Rachel Maddow made him look like an idiot and completely tore him and his work apart, but because he clearly has some serious issues. Anyone who thinks he (or she) has "come out of homosexuality" does. It might be that he experimented with homosexuality and decided he was heterosexual, but it seems much more likely to me that he has repressed those feelings and is now forcing himself to live a lie to conform to the way he thinks everyone ought to live. Based on a few comments from the interview, it sounds to me like he must have had a lonely childhood (relationship issues with his father, had trouble connecting with other boys) and I'm willing to bet that he was bullied a bit and that his community growing up wasn't very gay-friendly. That's quite a bit of emotional baggage to carry around.
That said, his claims are dangerous and he fully deserved everything Rachel threw at him (and a lot more). He needs to get some real psychological/psychiatric help and then to get a job that doesn't permit him to encourage others to traumatize themselves or their loved ones in the way that he's traumatized himself.
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Gays = 5%-10% of the populace at the highest reasonable estimate if one includes bisexuality. Homosexual teachers are 7x more likely to molest their students and account for 25% of pupil molestation.
Ok, carry the one and divide by stupid.
I think my head assploded.
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Either he doesn't care that his book's subtext has become Ugandan TEXT, or he's so determined not to think about the negative side of his marketing practices that he's permanently blinkered. Which, considering the topic, is ironic.
12/09/09
What are you doing?
Love,
Jinxy
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So it feels redundant for me to say anything else.
But because I am a hypocritical ass:
I hope that this issue gets coverage from the right, because when I told my mom about it, she scoffed and mumbled something about anti-American something something propaganda something something. General Republican dismissal. So please, forward this issue to the red staters in your lives.
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It's a tragedy that this inhumane legislation has support in Uganda, and I respect that RM wants to use her show to bring awareness to this travesty of law. However, life is not an episode of Law and Order. I feel like RM was waiting for this guy to break down and confess that he is a total hack on national television, but he just fed off her antagonism, even when confronted with quotes from his own book. I'm assuming that almost all of RM's audience agrees with her, so I feel like the only thing that was accomplished with this interview was that she gave this a-hole a platform to promote himself.
This is like interviewing zealots like Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'reilly about their roles in instigating the shooting of George Tiller. These are people who will never take responsibility for their actions, and as dispicable and hateful as Cohen's book/"therapy" is, it's a waste of our time to debate people like him.
What RM seems to fail at in this interview, is to acknowledge the agency of the Ugandan people. You can find a book or a hack science to justify anything, however there isn't enough of a candid discussion of how this legislation and Ugandan politics could foster an atmosphere where it could be a real possibility that homosexual men and women could be sentenced to death. Cohen is just a piece of a far more complicated situation, and in many ways, this just came off as a futile excercise to release frustration.
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I don't know, I thought he looked pretty bad when she got him to admit he wasn't licensed, and when he admitted he had no idea what he meant by race being a risk factor for homosexuality.
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god i hate contradictory assdouches like this.
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Rachel Maddow: Mmm.
Instant classic.
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They actually kicked him out for ethical violations involving financial arrangements with his clients in service of promoting his book. But truth, schmuth.
12/09/09
there he was telling a happily gay woman that gay is a "disease" and can be treated.
it was total double talk. he thinks there is a cure for gay? well, i can tell him with authority that there is no cure for his stupidity.
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This man absolutely has blood on his hands. May he realize it before the violence and hatred escalate further. (Sadly, I'm not holding my breath)
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That said, his claims are dangerous and he fully deserved everything Rachel threw at him (and a lot more). He needs to get some real psychological/psychiatric help and then to get a job that doesn't permit him to encourage others to traumatize themselves or their loved ones in the way that he's traumatized himself.
12/09/09
Rachel Maddow: I'm reading it from your book, dude!
Oh, Rachel Maddow, my crush on you will never die.