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What Goes Up, Must Come Down
New York, 11:18 AM
Sun Dec 6
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10/20/09
While there are probably plenty of reasons for Pakistanis to be upset with the US, I really feel like the anger is misdirected here.
10/20/09
We have all the money and power in the world, we stir sh*t up and rarely pay for our actions.
I mostly love this country but we're f*ck up in many ways. #punjabuniversity
10/20/09
The US has its faults, but what I'm reading from that caption is that Pakistanis are upset that our pursuance of the terrorists (in a possibly misguided attempt to fix our mistakes of the past) pissed them off and they reacted violently.
I think my main issue is that the protest signs call for the downfall of the US. How about "Down with Terrorists" instead? #punjabuniversity
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10/20/09
In turn, terrorists did what they do, they terrorize innocent victims, and now everyone says "OMG, if the US had just stayed out of our country, this never would've happened."
Hence my "lay down with dogs, get up with fleas" comment below. #punjabuniversity
10/20/09
If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure any one of those folks would jump at a chance to come to the U.S. and become a citizen but while they're in Pakistan they pretty much are going to hate our guts.
So i'm not sure of what to think about "terrorists". I mean it must take something pretty hard core to turn a person so cold. I've never thought of these faceless "terrorists" as thrill killers. I hope I don't sound like I think of what they're doing as a good thing because I don't. But "blame the terrorists" seems to be a throw away argument as 1. everyone keeps saying that and 2. it isn't going to make the terrorists go away.
In nations of wealth and stability this type of thought process isn't normal. That's why we don't understand them. We have a good life in this country and have no idea what really goes on in this world beyond CNN/Fox/MSN. Putting in money to help build the country and help the people would be better then military aide and would help us in not having the Pakistani people hate us so much. They don't see anything except 1. more people are dying 2. the attacks have increased since the U.S. began their wars in the middle east and 3. their country is more in shambles then ever 4. the money the U.S. is providing isn't doing them any good but is putting their government into western debt and pocket.
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'we have everything and they have nothing'? really? how about hundreds of years of culture? how about a rich and colorful history? does that count as 'nothing' because its not the same as what we have?
also, do you REALLY think 'any of those folks would jump at a chance to come to the U.S'? really? I'm not sure where you're getting this from, but the fact is, as citizens of the commonwealth Pakistanis were, in fact, allowed to migrate to the UK up until the 70's and millions (most) of them chose NOT to. Yes, it is not the 70's now, and the UK is not the U.S, but really, unless you have ANY facts to back up your (in my opinion ridiculous) statement, what you're saying is purely conjecture and should not be stated as fact.
Furthermore, Pakistani's, as a people, do not hate America or Americans. Yes, there are many that do - just as there are many AMERICANS/Britons/Australians etc that hate American and Americans.
In addition, you have missed out two key points (you really should read up more on this issue if you are interested enough it in it to comment) 1. We (the U.S Govt) paid the Pakistani govt millions of $ during the Cold War to house/arm/train the Taliban in secret. WE put these people there. They do not belong to the same ethnic groups as those native to the NWFP. WE put them there.
2. Most articles point out that the protests against America stem from the Taliban stance against Pakistan based on the Pakistani governments support of U.S policy. I would imagine, then (and many articles make this point, such as a couple posted on the huffington post) that these educated and liberal women are protesting OUR role in what has made THEIR country a hotbed of violence.
I'm not saying I agree with the sentiment of 'down with U.S.A, obviously. What I'm saying is that I strongly disagree with your statement/assumption/whatever it is, that they 'have nothing' and they 'see nothing'. These people do not live in caves. #punjabuniversity
10/20/09
(I feel ya) #punjabuniversity
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10/21/09
I was not referring to culture as I do not think that is measurable.
Your item number 2 is basically what I was trying to say. As far as the immigration statement I made, it was a generalization, I will admit that but I still stick by it. I personally think most people in the world (especially those in third world countries) want to be here it probably stems from the fact that my family are immigrants to this country.
The day I say I know everything is the day I become a fool. My opinions are not fact. You have a good day. =)
10/21/09
From what I understand, corruption is rampant in the country and the U.S actually hasn't been able to track dollars given to Pakistan. #punjabuniversity
10/20/09
There's an old adage about lying down with dogs and getting up with fleas. I don't see that beautifully illustrated on snazzy little signs.
But it's our fault. Natch. What do I know about the Taliban and terrorism and whatnot. #punjabuniversity
10/20/09
Oh yeah? Well, I counter with… #punjabuniversity
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@Zombie Ms. Skittles: What, our crayon use and illiteracy aren't good enough for you? #punjabuniversity
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