When my bf of two years broke up with me he said that I had become emotionally unavailable, I didn't agree with that but wasn't about to waste any strength convincing him otherwise and went on my merry way. All my friends and family kept saying how good I was doing and how strong I was, blah blah. Sure I cried a few good sobs that first month I certainly didn't see the breakup coming but I never laid in bed all day and I didn't stop being social or doing the things I loved. Now that several months have passed it's become very apparent that what he thought was passion was really just me being manic. I started new meds 2 months before the break up and it worked really well, but too well for him. He's much older than me and is one of those lawyers who has trouble letting loose and when we met he felt like he was finally alive (his words) which is sweet but also pathetic b/c anybody who has to meet a manic depressive ADD film student to feel something should just join a kickball league or something, get a hobby -ya know? It always bothered me that he liked my manic phases b/c I always knew that right around the corner was a black hole waiting to swallow me up. It was exhausting and I'm so happy that I switched to a doctor who really cares about what my meds are and aren't doing for me. Anyway the ex is doing his best to crawl back but I don't feel the strong emotional connection I use to and I'm wondering if it ever was there or all that time it was just the chemical imbalance talking. It's so weird that last fall I was so sure this was the man I wanted to spend the rest of my life with and now I don't feel anything more than a friendship. If I had to choose between falling and staying in love or being mentally healthy enough to do what I love I think I'd go for the second, I'm still young so I'm not too worried about the first hopefully on down the road I can have both.
While on Effexor, an SNRI not SSRI - I've had a couple of "head-over-heels" relationships... And I agree with what others are saying, that being depressed can close you off from relationships completely. And once I started the AD meds, I actually became much more social and some might even say, even gregarious - like I had been years before.
This is a thing about meds that people often overlook - the purpose of AD meds most often is not to "cure depression" or "alleviate depression symptoms," but to help manage these symptoms so that you have a more "normal" baseline from which they can work on the root causes. Conceptually, I understood this, but until I quit drinking, I didn't know it to be true for myself. The drinking was really just the last wildcard variable in my moods and personal relationships - not the primary factor, but an unmeasurable influence, nonetheless.
As a guy, side-effects-wise, I do have a little bit of an issue w/ delayed ejaculation (not ED) sometimes, but it is manageable with a little breathing and concentration, and make a real effort not to go so long as to make my partner uncomfortable. I don't seem to have any problem forming "crushy" feelings, though I am more realistic (and aware) about what I want from relationships, which means that I do walk away from ones that I might have entertained in the past. This is a good thing for me...
My boyfriend, who is the perfect man, and I just broke up after 3 years because I never got "the butterflies" 12 years of (low dose) Paxil may explain this. But I still love my cat. Sort of.
I cannot stress this enough, if you have any depression issues, please get your thyroid checked (TSH, Free T3, antibodies). For women especially, lower thyroid levels are very common and one of the most common (but overlooked) side effects is depression.
I guess a lot of it is really relative. I've always identified myself as "emotional" or "extremely sensitive", and those factors are such a core part of my being, good or bad. Now that I've just started on ADs, I'm afraid of even losing the depression, the bad feelings, because I've lived with them for so long. I know, however, that living with depression is not good for me, and that maybe it might help to be a little less emotional. And for me, "a little less emotional" is probably something closer to being a normal person. I think it would take a lot of drugs to turn me to robot mode.
I still hope that I'll have amazing crushes and incredible flights of fancy and that I'll still be able to make art that I think is sad and beautiful that comes from the core of my heart.
My problem with these is that *sometimes* someone will find out you're on them and because of their own ignorance and the way society treats mental illness - will automatically count you out because you must be crazy. Obviously you wouldn't want to date someone like that, but it can be off putting for some people. Even though they are so widely used there is still a stigma and the really ignorant ones almost act afraid of you, even if you've been on them for years and been their friend for years, it's scary to some people. Sometimes I think it would be a lot easier to have a problem that people could actually SEE. Like, I'm late for work because I'm having side effects from drugs for a long term physical illness - not, I'm late for work because I had so many rituals to perform I literally couldn't leave the house. People don't always understand the latter.
I've been on them for years and I does considerably cut back on those wild and crazy emotions. I'm not obsessively in love with anyone like I was. But that's kind of a good thing. I was a real mess in the old days.
So I'm no longer crying myself to sleep over anyone. Too bad!
I'm on Celexa right now, and I've got to say that if its blocking the intensity of love, my poor boyfriend would probably be smothered if I weren't on it.
For me, it has made my romantic ability better-- less paranoia, less neediness, more fun and happy times together.
I was on EffexorXR for three years. The first couple of weeks I literally felt high. I thought, "Wow, this is great!" Then that wore off. What a bummer! But, I would go out to dinner and have a few drinks to make up for the absence of the high every once in a while. Effexor kept me from having crying fits that would erupt out of no where. Eventually, I began to have weird side effects such a getting dizzy when I brushed my hair. I just felt numb to the world and I had zero interest in sex. So, I weaned myself off of the drug. You can't just quit or you have awful nausea and dizziness. Now, I try keeping my depression in check with decent amount of sleep and exercise. Exercise works better than anything. I find the more I exercise, the better sex drive I have.
@VioletBlue: I've been on Effexor XR for just two weeks now, and earlier this week, things were great! but now I think I'm in the bummer stage you talked about. I am a little nervous to see how this will pan out in the next little bit, but it certainly feels nice to not be dipping into hours of extreme sadness all the time.
I agree with you on the exercise comment too, but when depressed, I find it so hard to motivate myself to get up and move. Sometimes meds might be the right "push" toward that direction.
A lot of AD medications take 3-6 weeks to "establish" themselves - meaning that the initial phase of taking on a new drug doesn't really serve as an indication of what the future holds. Obviously, there are exceptions, but with a lot of folks, the only thing they really notice in the beginning, is the side effects, which may or may not persist, once your brain chemistry evens out and your consciousness adjusts to a new "norm."
Exercise is good too, because it keeps your metabolism more consistent and puts you back in touch with both your body and mind. The routine can help with returning a feeling of "normalcy" as well.
For me, the nausea comes from having an empty stomach; I can see how some people's appetites might suffer, and how, with others, it increases - I try to eat less food, more often throughout the day and it seems to work the best for me.
As others have mentioned, abrupt discontinuation is NOT FUN, so do take care about that and don't run out or stop w/o talking to your doc. Be careful w/ alcohol, too, little or none is best.
Has anyone else taken 5HTP for depression? I normally am way not into herbal shit, but this stuff seems to work, and there's some studies behind it as to why, since it's a precurssor to seratonin, but of course they're not comprehensive or anything.
Anyway, I refuse to even consider medication for myself, so it's nice that there's something that seems to even me out some, even if it's a placebo.
You know what prevents you from forming relationships? BEING DEPRESSED. I know of what I speak. I'm also in a wonderful, loving relationship and using antidepressants. Some people may have a bad reaction to particular drugs, but that's no reason to throw the baby out with the depressive bathwater.
Lexapro for 2+ years now, and actually this is like day 7 or something of coming off them.
Tired all the time, HUNGRY all the time (which is a total bitch, natch), but something that bothers me most is that I don't have any feelings anymore.
Except anger and deep sadness. Occasionally though. Still, it bothers me that I can't get excited about things, or truly happy, or even nervous or scared for fuck's sake. I just...don't care. Kind of makes me feel like a badass since I don't have social anxiety, but come on!
@lucystrawberry is pro AIDS:oh and yes, i have a dead libido. But I had a dead libido when I was off anti-depressants too. Sex just doesn't interest me that much.
I fell in love long before I started on Zoloft, but I can tell a difference in affection I feel for people. I think that with the depression and rumination gone, I think more rationally about everything--including love. So, the drugs might kill some of the love "buzz," but they do help me see more clearly how my relationships work.
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This is a thing about meds that people often overlook - the purpose of AD meds most often is not to "cure depression" or "alleviate depression symptoms," but to help manage these symptoms so that you have a more "normal" baseline from which they can work on the root causes. Conceptually, I understood this, but until I quit drinking, I didn't know it to be true for myself. The drinking was really just the last wildcard variable in my moods and personal relationships - not the primary factor, but an unmeasurable influence, nonetheless.
As a guy, side-effects-wise, I do have a little bit of an issue w/ delayed ejaculation (not ED) sometimes, but it is manageable with a little breathing and concentration, and make a real effort not to go so long as to make my partner uncomfortable. I don't seem to have any problem forming "crushy" feelings, though I am more realistic (and aware) about what I want from relationships, which means that I do walk away from ones that I might have entertained in the past. This is a good thing for me...
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I still hope that I'll have amazing crushes and incredible flights of fancy and that I'll still be able to make art that I think is sad and beautiful that comes from the core of my heart.
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Obviously you wouldn't want to date someone like that, but it can be off putting for some people. Even though they are so widely used there is still a stigma and the really ignorant ones almost act afraid of you, even if you've been on them for years and been their friend for years, it's scary to some people.
Sometimes I think it would be a lot easier to have a problem that people could actually SEE. Like, I'm late for work because I'm having side effects from drugs for a long term physical illness - not, I'm late for work because I had so many rituals to perform I literally couldn't leave the house. People don't always understand the latter.
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"But you don't look sick!"
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So I'm no longer crying myself to sleep over anyone. Too bad!
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For me, it has made my romantic ability better-- less paranoia, less neediness, more fun and happy times together.
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I agree with you on the exercise comment too, but when depressed, I find it so hard to motivate myself to get up and move. Sometimes meds might be the right "push" toward that direction.
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I've been on Effexor XR for a few years now.
A lot of AD medications take 3-6 weeks to "establish" themselves - meaning that the initial phase of taking on a new drug doesn't really serve as an indication of what the future holds. Obviously, there are exceptions, but with a lot of folks, the only thing they really notice in the beginning, is the side effects, which may or may not persist, once your brain chemistry evens out and your consciousness adjusts to a new "norm."
Exercise is good too, because it keeps your metabolism more consistent and puts you back in touch with both your body and mind. The routine can help with returning a feeling of "normalcy" as well.
For me, the nausea comes from having an empty stomach; I can see how some people's appetites might suffer, and how, with others, it increases - I try to eat less food, more often throughout the day and it seems to work the best for me.
As others have mentioned, abrupt discontinuation is NOT FUN, so do take care about that and don't run out or stop w/o talking to your doc. Be careful w/ alcohol, too, little or none is best.
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Anyway, I refuse to even consider medication for myself, so it's nice that there's something that seems to even me out some, even if it's a placebo.
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Tired all the time, HUNGRY all the time (which is a total bitch, natch), but something that bothers me most is that I don't have any feelings anymore.
Except anger and deep sadness. Occasionally though. Still, it bothers me that I can't get excited about things, or truly happy, or even nervous or scared for fuck's sake. I just...don't care. Kind of makes me feel like a badass since I don't have social anxiety, but come on!
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Or do I have the wrong media-biological-anthropologist?
No, I was right. She was the "love types" theorist in Elle:
[jezebel.com]
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I do not feel DULL to things. I feel joy, anger, sadness, happiness, boredom, irritation, frustration etc. I just feel them in a more normal range.
The only real affect i think is, I do not cry at movies.
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