Hey now, there are plenty of reasons to wear a tiara when you get married that have nothing to do with Disney or princesses. Wearing a crown to your wedding has been a custom in Scandinavia, for example, since well before Disney.
My issue is definitely with the "Disney Princess" merchandise that is everywhere. I work in a bookstore, and a good HALF of the Disney Princess picture books are about the princesses' WEDDINGS. Cinderella has "My Perfect Wedding" and Ariel has "Make-Believe Bride". WTF? Ariel wouldn't spend her time planning her dream wedding, she'd be out exploring shit or taunting sharks or something.
Also, Jasmine/Pocahontas/Mulan get no love. Jasmine often gets thrown into the general Disney Princess books (like "The Perfect Dress", gag), but never gets her own. I guess Pocahontas and Mulan don't have pretty ball gowns, so they don't count for anything.
I thought it was weird that little Lizzie had apparently papered over the fact that Aurora never wears a strictly pink dress in the movie—it’s always being changed from pink to blue and back again by her squabbling fairy godmothers. It’s a cute gag, and it entertained the heck out of me when I was little, especially because I preferred blue.
Then I googled "sleeping beauty doll." Lizzie didn’t paper over the blue dress. It was the merchandisers.
@indeedso: I noticed that as well. When I was prepping for the bar exam, my mom gave me a pencil with all the Disney princesses on it (as a joke since she knows how much I despite the princess culture) and Aurora's dress was pink on it as well. I noticed because as a kid, I also preferred the blue dress. I don't know if it actually means anything, but it is odd.
I worry less that the princess stories will turn little girls into dependent, narcissistic women, and more about how the prevalence of the princess stories affects general societal attitudes toward women.
I'm often surprised to discover how many of my guy friends hold onto an entitled princess stereotype of women -- women are all vain and/or insecure, women only care about clothes and jewelry, all women want is a big engagement ring, etc. It's disheartening, because I definitely don't see myself that way, and I know plenty of other women who have nothing to do with that stereotype either.
But the incessant emphasis on princesses, whether in Disney marketing machine or in the "princess for a day" wedding fantasy, still reinforces the idea that women prioritize appearances, attention, and money above other things. So the problem is bigger than just its affect on little girls. It's about how society views women in general.
@emfish55: Good point. Personally, I cringe (and run away) every time a guy says he wants to treat his woman like a princess. I'd much rather be an equal.
@thesciencegirl: Well put. Me too. Not least because a princess doesn't question your manly authority--a princess submits.
I think that's what bugs me a lot about the Disney Princess phenomenon. Think about what a princess really is--royalty. But not one of these princesses is meant to rule anything. They're not preparing to be Queen Elizabeth I, they're just preparing to be someone's wife. Even if they kick some ass in the process, there's something a bit wrong with encouraging young girls to see them as role models. But what's wrong, in a way, is the fact that this fits so easily into bigger narratives about what women are supposed to be like--namely, what bugs me is how easy it is to sell princesses to little girls.
Honestly, my girls are into Disney Princess and all that other nauseating crap. My oldest is six and wants to be the first female president. Her little sister wants to study sharks. I love Dodai's last sentence and think she sums it up perfectly - it's all about education!
Currently, it's my two year old son who is into purses and princesses, so my commitment to teaching my kids about a world without limits is being tested. Hard.
I loved Belle because she was a voracious reader and I often spent my free time with my nose in a book. And I loved France. She was just a combination of all my loves.
I loved the Little Mermaid because she got to live in the ocean and it was my dream to be a marine biologist.
And I loved Pocahontas because she looks like a Disney-fied version of me.
In the end, the characters I loved were the ones I saw bits of myself in and could relate to even just a little bit. None of them made me want to wear pink and prance around, and my love of Pocahontas led me to learn more about my Native ancestry.
Princesses can be bad if parents indulge their little girls and let them believe that Disney movies are how life is. Otherwise? It's a bit of fluff with magic, love and awesome songs.
I liked Aurora because she had blonde hair and black eyebrows. I think the full extent of her influence on me was a shortlived pasttime of wandering around in the woods singing. I never did get the hang of charming the birds out of the tress, but I pissed off a few cardinals in my time.
I didn't really have a princess thing as a kid, though - I had a badass witch thing. Now Maleficent... she kicked serious backside in that movie and she taught me that you can have cool digs, a pet raven, all the powers of darkness at your beck and call, but you throw one little sixteen-year-long tantrum and turn yourself into a dragon and *poof* you're a smoldering ink stain.
(Also, the good fairies were the ones who did the rescuing of the prince.)
@Wit is periodically disensouled: I always think of Maleficent as the best Disney villain. She's the evil fairy even before the whole cursing-Aurora thing. There's never any reasoning given for her being evil, only for her latest round of evildoing. She's bad because she just is, and that was and is awesome.
Does anyone else turn off Mulan before the last 5 minutes? I love that she is such a strong powerful warrior that saves all of China and is honored by the emperor, but hate that the movie can't truly have a happy ending until she bags her man.
@Spike49: Ah see, but the thing about the end of that movie is that she doesn't marry the guy. She just asks him if he'd like to stay for dinner. What happens after can be left to interpretation. :)
i think it's been very established that we are of the opinion that princesses don't really affect little girls. but my question is, what about the little boys? I wonder if the disney princesses affect how they see girls as opposed to how girls see themselves. boys obviously don't identify with the princesses, but they know that princesses are girls and when they see that little girl out on the playground, aren't they going to automatically associate the two? and therefore expect all little girls to be pretty, to clean their houses, to depend on the boys to save them, to be dainty and sweet and quiet and have a strong moral compass? perhaps that is REALLY the problem, and not the girls associating themselves with those traits.
One of the fundamental problems with the "I watched the movies and I turned out ok" argument is that the marketing of the princess image and myth is not what it was 10 or 15 years ago. There is SO MUCH STUFF associated with it, you can't just talk about the movies. In fact, the movies all have sequels (direct to video) and books where the characters go directly against fundamental aspects of themselves in the original movie. Always in a more materialistic / classic female role manner. Always.
The princess culture has become something much greater than and mostly unrelated to the movies. It is about getting kids branded and shopping as much and as young as possible.
@MissyMcCLung: This is definitely true. When I was a kid, more or less all you got in terms of merchandising was when a movie came out on VHS you begged your mom to get it for you. The only other Disney things I can remember having was a tape of the soundtrack for 'The Little Mermaid'.
Now EVERYTHING is cross branded. You can't get a regular doll, board game, pack of cards, without it having a Nickelodeon or Disney face on it.
Wait, Dodai, are you telling me Santa Claus DOESN'T exist and that I can't dig my way to China? Why do you have to ruin my dream like that? Excuse me, I need to go back to bed now. *runs away sobbing*
On a funny note, a friend's kid was visiting me. The little girl is really into princess and said: I want to be a princess when I grow up, you can't be a princess since you are already old. I laught and said: how do you know I am not a princess? I could be hiding from a witch or I could just want to live with regurlar people like Jazmine. I then showed her a picture of me with the Taj Mahal in the background, she was blown away.
I'm not worried about little girls wanting to play princess.
I'm worried about dumb teenage girls insisting they are a princess. I worry even more about women in their 20s-30s who still think the princess shit is cool.
It's not cute. It's not clever. Fucking stop already. Unless you were born/married into a royal family, cut that shit out.
Michael K from Dlisted is going to have to write a book for girls whose parents encouraged them to have "Princess as lifestyle/career" goals as children.
"Gold-digging Good Enough to Land Mah Boo's Heart"
I used to ferverently fantasize that I was, indeed, a princess -- forced to live with people I didn't like, and forced to go to school with people who made fun of me. My enemies, you see. It got me through a lot of shit.
And it was true! I now live in a castle (pre-WWI apartment); in a magical kingdom (Queens, New York -- get it? Queens?); and am married to the most wonderful Prince in the world.
Gag if you want, but sometimes thinking like that can help a chubby average-looking girl with severe anxiety and therefore horrific social skills get through the day.
Now, being told you're a princess and being raised to be a spoiled little brat is another story.
@NewsBunny: That's so sweet! I was the same way from time to time as a kid - clearly, I was a very special princess and my parents were the king and queen of a country and decided to move to America to give us a normal life.
When you're having a bad day, imagining getting away from it all is just a little harmless escapism. Congrats on living the dream, fellow royalty!
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Also, Jasmine/Pocahontas/Mulan get no love. Jasmine often gets thrown into the general Disney Princess books (like "The Perfect Dress", gag), but never gets her own. I guess Pocahontas and Mulan don't have pretty ball gowns, so they don't count for anything.
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Then I googled "sleeping beauty doll." Lizzie didn’t paper over the blue dress. It was the merchandisers.
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I'm often surprised to discover how many of my guy friends hold onto an entitled princess stereotype of women -- women are all vain and/or insecure, women only care about clothes and jewelry, all women want is a big engagement ring, etc. It's disheartening, because I definitely don't see myself that way, and I know plenty of other women who have nothing to do with that stereotype either.
But the incessant emphasis on princesses, whether in Disney marketing machine or in the "princess for a day" wedding fantasy, still reinforces the idea that women prioritize appearances, attention, and money above other things. So the problem is bigger than just its affect on little girls. It's about how society views women in general.
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I think that's what bugs me a lot about the Disney Princess phenomenon. Think about what a princess really is--royalty. But not one of these princesses is meant to rule anything. They're not preparing to be Queen Elizabeth I, they're just preparing to be someone's wife. Even if they kick some ass in the process, there's something a bit wrong with encouraging young girls to see them as role models. But what's wrong, in a way, is the fact that this fits so easily into bigger narratives about what women are supposed to be like--namely, what bugs me is how easy it is to sell princesses to little girls.
08/04/09
Currently, it's my two year old son who is into purses and princesses, so my commitment to teaching my kids about a world without limits is being tested. Hard.
08/04/09
I loved the Little Mermaid because she got to live in the ocean and it was my dream to be a marine biologist.
And I loved Pocahontas because she looks like a Disney-fied version of me.
In the end, the characters I loved were the ones I saw bits of myself in and could relate to even just a little bit. None of them made me want to wear pink and prance around, and my love of Pocahontas led me to learn more about my Native ancestry.
Princesses can be bad if parents indulge their little girls and let them believe that Disney movies are how life is. Otherwise? It's a bit of fluff with magic, love and awesome songs.
08/04/09
I didn't really have a princess thing as a kid, though - I had a badass witch thing. Now Maleficent... she kicked serious backside in that movie and she taught me that you can have cool digs, a pet raven, all the powers of darkness at your beck and call, but you throw one little sixteen-year-long tantrum and turn yourself into a dragon and *poof* you're a smoldering ink stain.
(Also, the good fairies were the ones who did the rescuing of the prince.)
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The princess culture has become something much greater than and mostly unrelated to the movies. It is about getting kids branded and shopping as much and as young as possible.
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Now EVERYTHING is cross branded. You can't get a regular doll, board game, pack of cards, without it having a Nickelodeon or Disney face on it.
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I'm worried about dumb teenage girls insisting they are a princess. I worry even more about women in their 20s-30s who still think the princess shit is cool.
It's not cute. It's not clever. Fucking stop already. Unless you were born/married into a royal family, cut that shit out.
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"Gold-digging Good Enough to Land Mah Boo's Heart"
08/04/09
And it was true! I now live in a castle (pre-WWI apartment); in a magical kingdom (Queens, New York -- get it? Queens?); and am married to the most wonderful Prince in the world.
Gag if you want, but sometimes thinking like that can help a chubby average-looking girl with severe anxiety and therefore horrific social skills get through the day.
Now, being told you're a princess and being raised to be a spoiled little brat is another story.
08/04/09
When you're having a bad day, imagining getting away from it all is just a little harmless escapism. Congrats on living the dream, fellow royalty!