Up front, I live in Australia, where tipping is not mandatory or expected (although it is becoming more common) and I have to confess I find the idea of compulsory tipping puzzling.
I'm happy to leave a tip if I've received good service. Having worked in the industry I can appreciate that waiting can be a thankless, unpleasant, poorly paid job sometimes.
However, I do not think that anybody should be obliged to pay a gratuity if they have received poor service or their dining experience was less than satisfactory.
@amazoncowgirl: I without a doubt agree with you. I find tipping a ridiculous practice. All it does is allow the business to pay the servers less and because people know they make no money, tipping really isn't an option. I would much rather have my meal cost three more dollars and not have to tip.
I also dislike how an amazing server at a cheaper restaurant gets a much smaller tip (even if a high percentage) than a mediocre waiter at an expensive place.
Anecdotally though, I have eaten in Australia and gotten rather lousy service and the girls I was staying with told me that is typical. At which point I am okay with giving a tip for those who are great.
@Elaken: I've received some very ordinary service here in Australia as well, but I've also received some very good service. And like you, I am happy to tip those who provide good service, although I would be offended if I was told I HAD to tip anybody good or bad.
I also think expectations of good service are different culturely. We Australians can be considered a bit too laid back or informal to people from other countries. Please be aware that I'm not trying to justify poor service with this observation, and I'm sorry that you had a bad experience.
@amazoncowgirl: It is good to get other people's opinions especially since I was there such a limited time. And you are right, what is good service is very cultural. It wasn't horrendous or anything, just I am use to having the waiter come by frequently so you can get water refills and the like.
I always run into problems when traveling though. I have gone to places where the custom is not to tip but they know you are an American and thus actually do expect the tip because know that is what we do culturally.
But in Japan, the service is incredible and you just might get chased down if you leave a tip - so they can give back the money you left behind.
It would all be so much easier if tipping was only for really good service and everyone got a decent wage.
@amazoncowgirl: In America, you tip because servers are paid $2.50/hr and they make it up in tips, depending on the place, $30-$200 a night. (A pub? $30-60.) They are paid lik that BECAUSE of tips. Tips are mandatory on large groups because itis human nature that the large the group, the more inconsiderate a mass of people will be; also, large groups are more work than small groups so it's only fair the servers get paid more. Usually the tip is included on the bill and you don't worry about the tip unless you want to tip more.
Also, in many restaurants, the waitresses don't keep all the tips. They "tip out" a portion of their tips to others such as busboys and hostesses.
@Elaken: Well, yeah. But my boss in the US doesn't want to pay a decent wage. And so, when I can, I grat on large parties. But I always try to serve well enough that you want to leave me more than the gratuity.
Food service sucks. Most servers aren't out to get you through autograt or anything else. Please remember that in the US and Canada, your server's wage isn't included in the price of your drinks or meal, so tip accordingly.
@DainCurst: That's why I would never tip less than 10% and that has to be very incredibly bad service. I think it is just considered part of the meal and there really isn't an option. It is just one of those systems that will always bother me.
All white people need to be deported! McVeigh was white! The guy who killed an innocent doctor was a white Christian!*
Oh wait, whaddya mean that's not acceptable and that it's their country?
Oh really?
This is why hate crimes carry a heavier punishment. More so than attacking a person's body, you're attacking their very right to exist while believing yourself to be unquestionably entitled to do so.
*Note, I consider myself to be a Christian (as in, believing in and trying to follow Christ's teachings) and as such, I believe that I am supposed to love humanity regardless of whatever differences we all have.
Why the fuck would any guy want to numb his penis? It's pretty simple. If you pop too soon you do things that your partner enjoys until you're ready to go again. Not that I have any expertise in this area. Really! I heard it from a friend! I'll go hide now.
@token_illiterate_commenter: They have numbing creams on the market right now. I was waiting to pick up a prescription at Walgreens and the line happened to be in the "family planning" aisle, where I spotted a tube of something called (no joke) Man-Delay. It had a tiger on the package and everything. I read the label and it is basically Anbesol diluted to numb the penis. I giggled like a fool for a very long time after seeing it.
@SheelaNaGig: I thought I'd heard of products like that, but a guy would have to have a serious problem to use something like that. Most guys bitch about losing sensation with a condom, how much fun could a numb penis be? On the other hand, a tiger!
Boy uses spray to numb penis...inserts penis into girlfriends vagina...girlfriend ends up with numb vagina. Sounds like a thoroughly thought out plan to me.
I truly hope that Valerie Kenney woman gets convicted. Yes, I do. I know it probably solves nothing because there are still a lot of assholes out there who feel entitled to express their racism and fear-mongering and that they live in a society that enables them anyway, but I don't care. I really hope she has to serve time.
@la.donna.pietra: In that case it would probably be more accurate to just say that "Going Rogue condensed version prevents ejaculation" I ideas it represents are quiet literally bonerkillers.
Just a thought, but if the spray numbs the guy's penis, wouldn't it also numb the woman's vagina? From contact? Then she wouldn't be feeling anything either, and the whole purpose of lasting longer is shot to hell.
@Tippi Hedren: It seems like the penis being numb, and unable to feel pleasure might contribute to loss of an erection, too. Maybe I'm thinking about this too much.
Well, I can see how this might offend. I mean it's not exactly uncommon, and I'm sure for the dudes who have this problem, it's really not a laughing matter. It's sort of on par with poking (heh) fun at dudes with smaller penii. Or maybe I'm just being kind and sympathetic to the plights of the peen.
What about the ones that mock periods and the side-effects thereof? How about gas? Body odor? All of these are legitimate medical conditions that they make "light" of in commercials every day...
Sounds to me like some boys need to stop being such big babies about everything... ;)
@wednesdayam: But they're the weake@thegogglesdonothing: And now that science has finally uncovered that men are the weaker sex, we know the build the fainting couches to accommodate their larger size! I smell a money maker...
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I'm happy to leave a tip if I've received good service. Having worked in the industry I can appreciate that waiting can be a thankless, unpleasant, poorly paid job sometimes.
However, I do not think that anybody should be obliged to pay a gratuity if they have received poor service or their dining experience was less than satisfactory.
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I also dislike how an amazing server at a cheaper restaurant gets a much smaller tip (even if a high percentage) than a mediocre waiter at an expensive place.
Anecdotally though, I have eaten in Australia and gotten rather lousy service and the girls I was staying with told me that is typical. At which point I am okay with giving a tip for those who are great.
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I also think expectations of good service are different culturely. We Australians can be considered a bit too laid back or informal to people from other countries. Please be aware that I'm not trying to justify poor service with this observation, and I'm sorry that you had a bad experience.
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I always run into problems when traveling though. I have gone to places where the custom is not to tip but they know you are an American and thus actually do expect the tip because know that is what we do culturally.
But in Japan, the service is incredible and you just might get chased down if you leave a tip - so they can give back the money you left behind.
It would all be so much easier if tipping was only for really good service and everyone got a decent wage.
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Also, in many restaurants, the waitresses don't keep all the tips. They "tip out" a portion of their tips to others such as busboys and hostesses.
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Food service sucks. Most servers aren't out to get you through autograt or anything else. Please remember that in the US and Canada, your server's wage isn't included in the price of your drinks or meal, so tip accordingly.
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Oh wait, whaddya mean that's not acceptable and that it's their country?
Oh really?
This is why hate crimes carry a heavier punishment. More so than attacking a person's body, you're attacking their very right to exist while believing yourself to be unquestionably entitled to do so.
*Note, I consider myself to be a Christian (as in, believing in and trying to follow Christ's teachings) and as such, I believe that I am supposed to love humanity regardless of whatever differences we all have.
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Do not want.
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Duh.
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Nice try though.
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Personally, I've found that nothing makes a man last longer than "whiskey dick."
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Sounds to me like some boys need to stop being such big babies about everything... ;)
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