I was terrified of 'being a girl'. Overpriced handbags would chase me down the street, laundry held no joy for me and my dreams were haunted by varying shades of magenta. But then I embraced the fact that the hunger in my ovaries could only be sated by chocolate, cleaning products and sharing weight loss tips wit my girlfriends and now all my gender problems were over. #joannelipman
As a non-agressive person I'm so glad for the point-out that being more masculine is not liberating to everyone. I don't want to push and shove to get what I deserve, and if I have to, I'd rather work for a different company, or focus on something other than my career... which, as an artist, doesn't mean giving up what I love, just doing it regardless of the money/recognition, or lack thereof.
As a teenager, I spent so much time and energy trying to prove that I was as cool as the boys, that I could drink like them, laugh like them, talk like them, so that I wouldn't be seen as a sexual object, or weak, which at the time seemed synonymous with feminine. Now I know I deserve respect for my feminine qualities as well as my masculine ones. I like to say that if it's difficult to be vulnerable or communicate, it is braver and more admirable than sucking it up... and so on.
This is an excellent piece of feminist journalism. Good job! I especially liked your point about changing women for the workplace and changing the school system for boys. I've never thought of it laid out in such succinct terms before, and I really think that parallel can open up the conversation of the way women are treated as individuals who need to adjust themselves for men, when the system doesn't work for them, but as a class when it suits the dominant paradigm (like how women are better caregivers and are therefore in charge of baby-raising).
I made my boss give me a promotion and a raise years ago. But no one is going to consider that when writing a trend piece or telling women what their problem is.
This problem has haunted me a lot this past weekend. I played in a War Hammer tournament (yes, I am a nerd), in which I was the only woman. The other players ignored me, took my rule book without asking then refused to return it, complained about my presence/playing and refused to shake my hand at the end of the match.
I think men are the ones that need to change. They berate women for being too different or for not competing in the same spheres as men, but then when we do, they turn a blind eye or exclude us.
This article and my experience have taught me something at least: the problem isn't that women don't seek promotions or live outside gender norms, it's that men (aka the ones with the power) ignore us when we do. #joannelipman
Ummm... didn't her magazine feature a big 'ol story about big ol' lady-hating "genius" Dov Charney? So.... make that 4 ways not to solve sexism.
I love Anna for her classy assumption that Lipman is trying to "genuinely trying to address the problems women face," but having read the piece I'm left wondering how genuine her attempt really was. There is a little too much blame-shifting for Portfolio's failure, and a bit too much emphasis on her own "legginess" (at least one mention of which seems now to have been invented). Like this idiot [jezebel.com] she seems a little too eager to make it clear to the reader that she has the man-stamp of approval, while kvetching about double standards and a lack of progress. If this is what she means by not being afraid to be a girl... no thanks. #joannelipman
@KikiCanuck: She's trying to assuage feelings of guilt in guys. 'Don't worry boys, sisters are doing it to themselves! If they really wanted that job, they'd ask for it. Even if they weren't at that golf game where its existence was being discussed. And even if they were accused of being greedy when they asked for a raise.' #joannelipman
I'm kind of getting annoyed by the acidity of some of the comments here. The Op-Ed piece is not well-written. That doesn't mean it's sexist. A woman who combatted sexism and reached the top of a male-dominated field offering some generic advice to other women is not the same as "Telling women what to do" or "Blaming women for sexism." It's all good advice: be confident and go after what you want, have a sense of humor, don't think of 'feminine' things as bad just because they're 'feminine.' I understand that the "sense of humor" language often comes from misogynists dismissing feminists, but that's clearly NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
Advising women on what they can do to improve their situation is NOT THE SAME as blaming them for their situation. I can say to you, "Don't accept a drink from a stranger, it's not safe" without blaming or criticizing the rape victims who've been drugged that way. It's not just about telling society to improve, to look out for us. We can be active participants. We HAVE to be. #joannelipman
The best advice I've read since I became "politically conscious" was an article called something like "notes to an activist," and #1 on the list was "have a sense of humor." It doesn't mean "laugh at sexist jokes," or "excuse bad behavior," but the gist is that being an activist is hard, long-term, and the victories are few and far between. It means "learn to laugh off things when getting wound up about them won't do any good." There's a lot of terrible sexist (racist, classist, ablist, etc) shit going on in the world, and if you're going to avoid burnout, cynicism, or sheer panic, you have to accept your limitations, pick your battles, and find a way to not let yourself be dragged down by things you can't change. The easiest way to do that it to have a sense of humor.
I didn't get the Martha Stewart thing, either. But that lesson has made all the difference for me, not just as a feminist, but as a semi-neurotic human being. #joannelipman
@LittleDogLaughed: While I agree that having a sense of humor is essential, the problem with this is 1) She assumes women aren't already told to 'lighten up' or 'get a sense of humor' every single time they find something offensive. Who gets to decide when they get to be offended or when they laugh it off?, and 2) Who gets to decide what's funny and what isn't? #joannelipman
@Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!: She doesn't tell people WHAT they should find funny, and she doesn't say that women DON'T have a sense of humor--the example she cites is in fact a woman (even if it makes no sense). #joannelipman
Also: I didn't take the "leggy" remark to mean that someone had literally written, "Joanne Lipman's career has been very leggy." I took it to mean that she was described as leggy in an article about her career. Which she was:
"Lipman, 47 years old, who’d spent her entire career at The Wall Street Journal, is a serious journalist with a serious mien, and long legs, which she likes to show off with short-skirted power suits. Lipman is "attractive," in Newhouse’s vernacular..."
Things you wouldn't read in a piece about a man. It's kind of worse than I'd guessed, actually: "she likes to show off" implies that she uses her legs for some manipulative purpose, and the whole thing implies that it's hard to believe that a serious female journalist might be attractive. #joannelipman
Everything you say is right on, Anna...but yeah, it makes me sad that this mainstream media declaration that sexism is real is only going to get torn apart. Usually the MSM only tells us that feminism is dead.
For example? The NYTPicker post you linked to calls the piece "whiny," and uses a lot of tokenism to undermine Lipman's point. (A woman won a Pulitzer so women in journalism got respect since the 80s!)
It's also interesting to hear from a woman in, I believe, her 40s. When we talk about feminists we tend to think of the Second Wavers in their 60s and the Third Wavers in their 20s-30s. Lipman's in between. Maybe that's affected the way she talks about sexism?
What an odd world it would be if things were framed from women's points of view rather than men's, and no one but some mascunazi bonerkillers even noted it. We'd ask what the hell is wrong with guys that they can't enjoy bodice rippers. We'd insult women for being stupid (or possibly gay) enough to like sports or movies like The Hangover. #joannelipman
@Susan B.: Oh, I read it as "Don't be such a girl!" Which I've only really ever heard directed toward those in possession of penises. But I like your read better. #joannelipman
Either it's the patriarchy telling you, or feminists that feel your particular brand of failing to goosestep to the How Women Are To Act drumbeat are both suppressive in their own form.
If you need a goddamn bulletpoint list on how you need to be to achieve a particular subset of people's dreams, we have a long way of liberation to go. #joannelipman
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As a teenager, I spent so much time and energy trying to prove that I was as cool as the boys, that I could drink like them, laugh like them, talk like them, so that I wouldn't be seen as a sexual object, or weak, which at the time seemed synonymous with feminine. Now I know I deserve respect for my feminine qualities as well as my masculine ones. I like to say that if it's difficult to be vulnerable or communicate, it is braver and more admirable than sucking it up... and so on.
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Thank you! #joannelipman
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Guess I'll never rise to the top. #joannelipman
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This problem has haunted me a lot this past weekend. I played in a War Hammer tournament (yes, I am a nerd), in which I was the only woman. The other players ignored me, took my rule book without asking then refused to return it, complained about my presence/playing and refused to shake my hand at the end of the match.
I think men are the ones that need to change. They berate women for being too different or for not competing in the same spheres as men, but then when we do, they turn a blind eye or exclude us.
This article and my experience have taught me something at least: the problem isn't that women don't seek promotions or live outside gender norms, it's that men (aka the ones with the power) ignore us when we do. #joannelipman
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I love Anna for her classy assumption that Lipman is trying to "genuinely trying to address the problems women face," but having read the piece I'm left wondering how genuine her attempt really was. There is a little too much blame-shifting for Portfolio's failure, and a bit too much emphasis on her own "legginess" (at least one mention of which seems now to have been invented). Like this idiot [jezebel.com] she seems a little too eager to make it clear to the reader that she has the man-stamp of approval, while kvetching about double standards and a lack of progress. If this is what she means by not being afraid to be a girl... no thanks. #joannelipman
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Advising women on what they can do to improve their situation is NOT THE SAME as blaming them for their situation. I can say to you, "Don't accept a drink from a stranger, it's not safe" without blaming or criticizing the rape victims who've been drugged that way. It's not just about telling society to improve, to look out for us. We can be active participants. We HAVE to be. #joannelipman
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The best advice I've read since I became "politically conscious" was an article called something like "notes to an activist," and #1 on the list was "have a sense of humor." It doesn't mean "laugh at sexist jokes," or "excuse bad behavior," but the gist is that being an activist is hard, long-term, and the victories are few and far between. It means "learn to laugh off things when getting wound up about them won't do any good." There's a lot of terrible sexist (racist, classist, ablist, etc) shit going on in the world, and if you're going to avoid burnout, cynicism, or sheer panic, you have to accept your limitations, pick your battles, and find a way to not let yourself be dragged down by things you can't change. The easiest way to do that it to have a sense of humor.
I didn't get the Martha Stewart thing, either. But that lesson has made all the difference for me, not just as a feminist, but as a semi-neurotic human being. #joannelipman
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"Lipman, 47 years old, who’d spent her entire career at The Wall Street Journal, is a serious journalist with a serious mien, and long legs, which she likes to show off with short-skirted power suits. Lipman is "attractive," in Newhouse’s vernacular..."
Things you wouldn't read in a piece about a man. It's kind of worse than I'd guessed, actually: "she likes to show off" implies that she uses her legs for some manipulative purpose, and the whole thing implies that it's hard to believe that a serious female journalist might be attractive. #joannelipman
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For example? The NYTPicker post you linked to calls the piece "whiny," and uses a lot of tokenism to undermine Lipman's point. (A woman won a Pulitzer so women in journalism got respect since the 80s!)
It's also interesting to hear from a woman in, I believe, her 40s. When we talk about feminists we tend to think of the Second Wavers in their 60s and the Third Wavers in their 20s-30s. Lipman's in between. Maybe that's affected the way she talks about sexism?
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Anna, this is amazing. #joannelipman
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If you need a goddamn bulletpoint list on how you need to be to achieve a particular subset of people's dreams, we have a long way of liberation to go. #joannelipman
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I'll tell you. Exactly...zero. #joannelipman
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