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Why Won't Sexist Advertising Go Away?
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She's obviously just a really awesome woman.
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Well, supposedly, anyway. I mean it all could have been done for publicity, I guess.
11/19/09
The guy does stupid amateur horror/sexploitation films. Exploitative, sure. Porn, it is not. Disgusting? Certainly. Porn? Nope.
C'mon, peeps.
11/19/09
This article is about the pornification of inadvertently famous women. I think it makes a good point about the media's sexual objectification of women, but it doesn't exactly apply in the case of the Jaycee film. While I can only speculate on what the film will be, Shane Ryan has not made porn films in the past. It doesn't appear that he is going to all of a sudden start making porn films now. His work isn't like "Nailin Paylin", where a famous woman is replaced with a big-boobed porn star lookalike and put into ridiculous sexual situations. Granted, if it was, it would still be entirely inappropriate. But a look a Ryan's previous films shows that he makes sexually violent exploitation films. Though that doesn't fit as neatly into the thesis of this article, I think it's even more upsetting. Here is a man who has made a career off of portrayals of extreme sexual violence, announcing that he is planning a film based on the story of a rape survivor. It's one thing to make violent films (I personally love horror films, though this brand of exploitation film is definitely not my style). But to take someone's personal story and most likely turn it into an exploitation piece (as that is his M.O.) does strike me as "breathtakingly unkind," to quote the Dugard family.
(I don't want to link to Mr. Ryan's work, but a quick search will show you that many of his movie trailers are available on YouTube.)
11/18/09
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11/18/09
a why song? "Jenna disgusts me" is a quote, because you said it. When the sentence ends, your quote ends.
11/19/09
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11/18/09
11/18/09
I don't really feel free to judge.
I've also always kind of liked Jameson. I also like Megan Fox.
So sue me. #jennajamesonoprah
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Also wow, Oprah just straight up asked how many guys she'd slept with in that first clip. #jennajamesonoprah
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11/17/09
Has Oprah always been such a prudish, sanctimonious jerk? I'm not exactly a huge fan of porn, but there wasn't a single question that Oprah directed at her guests that wasn't dripping with judgement and distaste. I would same the same for Lisa's comments as well. That they were acting like it is surprising that women, as opposed to men, would be interested in porn or sex toys really bothered me.
I've never seen any of Jenna's films, but I'm always surprised that people seem taken aback by her graciousness and intelligence. She came across as thoughtful and articulate. #jennajamesonoprah
11/17/09
11/17/09
Jenna seemed like a nice lady to me also. Her kids can play with mine any time.
I have mixed emotions about Oprah overall. On one hand, I would have lunch with her, I admire her in many ways, blah blah. On the other, I hate her show and 85% of every audience member I see. So. #jennajamesonoprah
11/17/09
11/17/09
I admire Oprah's business sense and her philanthropy, but my distain for her, her self-righteousness and narcissism is well-documented.
A huge part of the problem with her show, in my opinion, is that she caters to a very particular audience. Her audience--judging by the time slot, the material, and the editing--is comprised of middle-aged housewives, which in and of itself is not a bad thing by any means. She has, however, further narrowed her target audience by catering to the types of women who probably have children and have alarmist tendencies with respect to things like: rainbow parties, tweens using heroin, and sexting.
As such, so many of her episodes are dedicated to warning parents about impending threats to their 10 year olds, and with it, a judgmental attitude. Even shows that focus on other topics, still bear the marks of her sanctimony. I find it extra annoying (and cynical) when you stop to consider that Oprah herself is light years away from her audience in that respect. #jennajamesonoprah
11/17/09
So basically, I agree with you because you read my mind. #jennajamesonoprah
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So, in short, she has always been calculating--and full of herself. #jennajamesonoprah
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I've seen a few of her porn movies, and overall they're very women positive. They're still porn, but clearly intended for both men and women to enjoy. She has one that's basically a fantasy movie spoof, where it sort of mixes themes from Labyrinth, Legend, and some others all together. I tend to watch porn out of amused curiosity, but I have a low tolerance for the really hardcore/misogynistic stuff (it's possible for porn not to be those things).
She actually did a lot to change women's ability to have more control over their image in that industry, as well as set procedures, and a bunch of really important shifts in who gets paid for the work.
I get tired of the attitude that it's so weird that many women like pornography. Human beings are visual creatures and I think there's a touch of the voyeur in most people. It really doesn't have to be degrading, and even though it inevitably has objectification involved, that can be handled in a way that's doesn't dehumanize.
I like the fact that Jameson has not, to my knowledge, ever seemed ashamed of being in porn. People don't realize she's also an incredibly astute business woman. She's worth many millions of dollars because of some very smart decisions she made, in particular getting involved in the online aspect of the industry pretty early on.
That said, she has expressed distaste with the current state of the industry. She had some negative things to save a few years ago at the AVN's about the shift in attitudes and such. #jennajamesonoprah
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I mean, it's fine if you don't see it, but it's a little unfair to say that all of these commenters are just projecting. Or that Jez hates Oprah. She's like any public figure. Some people like her, some don't. #jennajamesonoprah
11/17/09
I'm not sure if she is or isn't, but Oprah probably didn't get to be a ga-billionaire business woman by accident or a lucky break or two. And is that such a bad thing?
I guess what I'm trying to say is that when people talk about Bill Gates or Ted Turner or other *male* business moguls, the effort and thought and mix of self-confidence and ruthlessness are considered assets, not liabilities. Are we treating Oprah more harshly because of her persona or her gender? #jennajamesonoprah
11/17/09
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No one sees the irony there? #jennajamesonoprah
11/17/09
The issue with the train story is that she approached a complete stranger, engaged her and then prattled on for 40 minutes about how amazing she is. Regardless of who the person is, or what circumstances they came from, it is obnoxious behavior. And if watching countless episodes of her show (as I have) and read her magazine, has led me to the conclusion that she's a bit of an egomaniac and holier-than-thou, it is only logical to buttress that conclusion with past experiences. #jennajamesonoprah
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11/18/09
My comment wasn't a personal attack, it was a broader observation and discussion starter about how we, as a culture, tend to see ambition in women. #jennajamesonoprah
11/18/09
Who the heck IS a neural commentator on culture? #jennajamesonoprah
11/18/09
I agree that sometimes the critiques rely on personality stuff, rather than issues with her approach, or the limited view she sometimes presents. But otherwise I've never seen an all-hate Oprah thread.
And that was really my point about the "neutral commenter" part. She's not a reporter, she's not a journalist, she's a talk show host. So she has a perspective, and a lot of what she "sells" is her. From the magazine to the show. When you do that, people will like it or not. I wasn't suggesting she should be neutral. I was saying that, since she isn't, people will or won't like her approach to a topic. #jennajamesonoprah
11/18/09
I have absolutely no idea what else you may have inferred from my comment. I may like Oprah more than say, Bill O'Reilly, but they're doing largely the same thing. Presenting ideas and issues through their lens. Oprah is way more altruistic, I think, but it's still why people may or may not like the approach.
Overally, I personally like her. I get a little tired of the Hollywood love fests, but I think she's done a lot of really good things. #jennajamesonoprah
11/18/09
Make your point clearer then.
And what's with the 20 line tract when I asked you a one-line question? I don't care if you like Oprah or not.
To say that people don't like Oprah because she is not a neutral commentator is redundant and absurd. It is both of these things because NOONE - no journalist, no talk show host, no newsreader could claim to be neutral. That is why I asked: Who is a neutral commentator on culture? #jennajamesonoprah
11/18/09
I mean, are you looking to discuss things, or just attack anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you?
I was explaining why some people may or may not like Oprah's approach. Because that seemed to be an issue of contention. She has a perspective and style of commenting/addressing an issue. Some people respond, some don't. Your question suggested that you may have found that unclear.
I don't see what the point of your question really is, though. I realize there really aren't any neutral commenters on culture...the closest you get are those that present all "sides" of an issue without editorializing or telling their audience what view they should have. That's pretty much it.
But, you know, feel free to respond rudely again or criticize the fact that I actually take the time to explain my position instead of just flipping out on random internet people. #jennajamesonoprah
11/18/09
I think there's a way there is always vitriol for women in power, and it needs to continue to be examined. For *people* in power to be sure, but there is that special brand in society and media that is absolutely reserved for women. Women that take no crap, take no prisoners, and make no apologies.
Admittedly, I do despise the sanctimoniousness that Oprah affects; that said, I despise that in anyone and believe that everyone short of Jesus and Buddha lives in a damn glass house.
11/18/09
If you can't see the point of the question - then why did you answer?
And you weren't even disagreeing with me (I don't think), and even if you were - who cares? I asked you a question and you deliver a manifesto. Stop making assumptions about what the person who responds to you is saying and just get to your point.
11/18/09
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Your general issue seems to have less to do with the content of what I say, and more with the length. I'm not going to apologize for putting thought and consideration into my answers. I respect other posters enough to try and find common ground and if it takes a longer post, so be it. Your issues with my commenting style are not my problem.
But I'm done trying to engage in any reasonable discourse with you. You're clearly not interested. It's too bad. There was potential to discuss the possibility of neutral culture commentary once we got past this...but I guess you'd rather accuse me of writing manifesto's and not consider the tone with which you write. Fair enough.
11/17/09
11/16/09
For the first time in decades, the U.S. skating team has no clear-cut Olympic medal contender.
While that is painfully true in the ladies skating, there are other disciplines in figure skating, too. The US currently boasts the reigning world champion in men's figure skating (Evan Lysacek) and the reigning silver medalists in ice dancing (Belbin and Agosto). They've been performing well this season, too: all three just won Skate America in their respective fields. We'll see Ol' Glory hoisted over that icy podium yet. #horses
11/16/09
There's Kim Yu Na of South Korea, the woman who's a good bet to win the Olympic gold. She's skating to a medley of James Bond music for her short program. #horses
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