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JessickerFletcher
10/15/09

In reply to Poll: Clinton's Favorable Rating Now Higher Than Obama's
I still believe that Clinton should've been awarded the Nobel Prize before Obama. I don't care if it's his policies that she's carrying out, most Nobel Prizes aren't given for ideologies, they're given for execution. #hillaryclinton
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Political Party Girl
10/15/09

In reply to Poll: Clinton's Favorable Rating Now Higher Than Obama's
I don't see why this is getting so much news coverage, or why people are surprised by this. Obama is dealing with controversial issues that directly affect Americans in ways they can easily comprehend -- jobs, healthcare, the economy -- and he is constantly in the spotlight. People are protesting Obama, calling him a Nazi, a communist, claiming he's not American. Glenn Beck and Fox News attack him 24/7. Of course Hillary's going to poll higher. #hillaryclinton
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rd2uk
10/15/09

@Political Party Girl: that, and because shes doing a good job. first sec of state in years that people outside the US dont hate! #hillaryclinton
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rd2uk
10/15/09

@Political Party Girl: that, and because shes doing a good job. first sec of state in years that people outside the US dont hate! #hillaryclinton
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Political Party Girl
10/15/09

@rd2uk: An excellent point! I'm a tad embarrassed I failed to address that. She is doing a great job. #hillaryclinton
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libertypie
10/15/09

In reply to Poll: Clinton's Favorable Rating Now Higher Than Obama's
Like everyone's saying, yes, she's carrying out Obama's policy directives, but I don't think that means he deserves all the credit for what she's accomplished. She took her defeat so gracefully that the fact she was even a candidate has practically faded from the public consciousness, and there hasn't been even a whisper of her considering her position at State a consolation prize, aside from the occasional acknowledging joke (which, in my mind, makes it even less of an issue.)

I guess what I'm trying to say is it makes me really proud to see a woman rocking and being accepted for rocking a job like that, and it's still a real, incredibly demanding job, regardless of the fact that she has a boss. #hillaryclinton
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TurtleWexlerKickedMe
10/15/09

In reply to Poll: Clinton's Favorable Rating Now Higher Than Obama's
This makes me all tingly inside.

It might just be this cold medicine though. #hillaryclinton
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willwriteforfood
10/15/09

In reply to Poll: Clinton's Favorable Rating Now Higher Than Obama's
How is this supposed to be a popularity contest? Apples and oranges, dumbasses. It's not like they're doing the same damn job. She WORKS for Obama. What she's doing is carrying out HIS policy. #hillaryclinton
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JessickerFletcher
10/15/09

@willwriteforfood: Still, the poll shows that Americans are more pleased with Clinton's performance than Obama's and that's a very interesting development, because, as you pointed out, she's carrying out his policies. However, they're carrying out the same policies differently - and I'd agree that Hillary's doing a better job accomplishing goals. #hillaryclinton
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Political Party Girl
10/15/09

@willwriteforfood: That's diminishing the role of the Secretary of State. (And perhaps you didn't mean it as I interpreted it.) Yes, she works for Obama, but she's integral in setting foreign policy. For example: her focus on helping women -- that wasn't Obama's number one priority, but she made it hers. If we had a male SecState, you could probably guarantee that helping women and girls would not be as prominent an issue for the Administration as Hillary has made it. I do agree, however, that it is a silly comparison. #hillaryclinton
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willwriteforfood
10/15/09

@JessickerFletcher: @Political Party Girl: Oh, I didn't mean it to sound like I was diminishing her role. Sorry it came across that way! I was just pissed that anyone needs to turn this into a popularity contest. I mean, really? They're not contestants in a pageant, they're two states(wo)men trying to carve out foreign policy. The difference between the two is that Obama also has other goals, including carving out domestic policy and we all know how popular presidents are when they do that.

Really, the more apt comparison, as someone downthread pointed out, is to compare Rice or Albright to Clinton. #hillaryclinton
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LaFemme
10/15/09

@Political Party Girl: I was just going to say this. A LOT of policy starts from the working level and then goes up the chain before it becomes actual policy that will be implemented, and it is not infrequent that a Sec. of State will task her people with policy developement to be hashed out at State and in the interagency before it ever crosses the President's desk. It is not as iff ever international affairs decision has come from the Oval Office. Most do not. The President may set the "tone" but most give the SecState sufficient autonomy that they are the driving force behind international initiatives. #hillaryclinton
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Political Party Girl
10/15/09

@willwriteforfood: I understand your frustration. I hate that people continue pitting HRC and Obama against each other like they're still political opponents. #hillaryclinton
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sportz.star
10/15/09

In reply to Poll: Clinton's Favorable Rating Now Higher Than Obama's
I unabashedly love Hilary, but the lower the profile the role the easier it is to have a favorable rating. Less people are criticizing her on the 24 hours news cycle than Obama. #hillaryclinton
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Trulymadlyme
10/15/09

In reply to Poll: Clinton's Favorable Rating Now Higher Than Obama's
Ugh. This sort of this gets me hackled because as Secretary of State, her favorability is inextricably linked with Obama's in the sense that she is acting in concert with his policies. There's no competition here. While Clinton has done an excellent job, there seems to be this odd desire to create strife where there is, in fact, none.

If you want strife. Ask people how the Condi Rice years were at State. Whew! #hillaryclinton
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bluebears
10/15/09

@Trulymadlyme: what? details please... #hillaryclinton
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bluebears
10/15/09

@Trulymadlyme: edit! shooooot
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Trulymadlyme
10/15/09

@bluebears: About the Condi years?

Oh, lawd. Ask a state employee about the mandatory Iraq/Afrgani details. #hillaryclinton
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BAngieB
09/25/09

In reply to Obama Approval Dropping — But Still Higher Than Reagan's
I'm staying annoyed at him until he stops being a panzy on marriage equality.
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erinna
09/25/09

@BAngieB: Yeah- he's totally copping out on this one by "leaving it up to the states".
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BAngieB
09/25/09

@erinna: It needs to be legalized on the Federal level or it doesn't matter.
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picassobear
09/25/09

@BAngieB: This is less of a State and Federal issue and more of an issue that congress needs to take up and not the president. Americans are wildly misguided about the powers of the Executive office. Congress needs to draft a bill, pass it, and then Obama can show his support by signing it. Other than that, what do you suggest he do? Clinton tried to get in the face of congress and allow LGBT's to serve in the military and then we got DADT. Congress, the representatives of the people, should be taking this matter into their hands.
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BAngieB
09/25/09

@picassobear: Yes. I know all of that, thanks. I remember Clinton's presidency. But that doesn't mean that Obama can't be more supportive. I didn't suggest that he can make it legal, but saying "leave it to the States" doesn't do enough. If it isn't federally recognized, it isn't equal.
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spiraloflife
09/25/09

In reply to Obama Approval Dropping — But Still Higher Than Reagan's
But just 47% approved of how Obama was handling health care, while 45% disapproved.

How many of those who disapprove still support the bill, and just think that Obama should tell all the yelling people to shut up?
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samethingwedoeverynightpinky
09/25/09

@spiraloflife: Me! Seriously, if he can't force this through instead of pandering to a vocal minority who've deluded themselves into thinking they're the only Real Americans out there, or if he bails on the public option, thus enacting legislation that's essentially a poverty tax that goes into insurance companies pockets, I am finally finally going to concede that there is no point whatsoever in voting for democrats because I'm scared of Republicans, and next time around I'm going to support a real progressive candidate, however low that candidate's chances of success are.
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SarahMC
09/25/09

In reply to Obama Approval Dropping — But Still Higher Than Reagan's
Perhaps my concern is premature but I am worried that Obama will not be elected to a second term if he seeks it.
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dreamweave
09/25/09

@SarahMC: I've had this concern the day he was elected, mainly because the enormity of the MANY problems he is confronted with - through no fault of his own - would make it hard for ANY president to be re-elected. So, hell, what are you gonna do?

@laureltreedaphne: I commented about this below, but his approval is fine. The sky-high ratings he started with were unsustainable. 56% approval is really damn good. he's actually doing quite well, considering what he's dealing with.
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so5minutesago
09/25/09

@SarahMC: Perhaps this marks me as too much of an optimist, but I'm not worried yet. The Republican party is in shambles. They're still trying to please the 'moral majority' even though the ACTUAL majority thinks those people are crazy. Unless they can get an intelligent, moderate Repub to run against him (Tim Pawlenty, maybe?), I'm not worried at all.
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SarahMC
09/25/09

@so5minutesago: I hope you are right but I can see how the GOP and its talking heads are poisoning people's minds with their fear-mongering and I fear by the time the election rolls around, even more people will be convinced Obama is a socialist/the anti-Christ/whatever.
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EkaterinaBallerina
09/25/09

@SarahMC: I'm cautiously optimistic. His rating is good but he faces a lot of problems. On the other hand, the Republican party is deader than dead right now. They are not a viable option. They are pandering to a very small portion of the voting population. I read somewhere that their actions during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings did them no service to Latino voters, who are the fastest growing voter bloc in this country. They've turned off too many people with their tactics. Something has to change with them first.
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TheGuvnah
09/25/09

@SarahMC: if he fails at health reform I would have trouble voting for him again.

I mean, if it came down to it I would (barring a strong primary challenger) but yeah.

Also, I disapprove of how Obama has handled health care and I am a liberal Dem who supports hcr and works in hcr policy so those poll numbers aren't necessarily about ppl who don't want hcr.
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NefariousNewt
09/25/09

@SarahMC: This is all part of a natural process. He's only in his first year -- his initial approval was so high, it could only go down, not up. It will settle down, once the economy fully shifts into recovery, and he has a few more successes. Health care is a major drain right now, but I imagine once that's sorted out, and once the economy improves to where unemployment starts to moderate, his numbers will remain stable.
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so5minutesago
09/25/09

But look at the last election. There will always be some people who fall for the fear mongering and won't vote for a candidate because they are African-American/Democrat/whatever, but the techniques that the Republicans have been using, stoking the fear and xenophobia of this voting bloc, are starting to backfire. People are starting to question the validity of these arguments. The Birthers of today are the Swiftboaters of 5 years ago, but while the Swiftboaters helped destroy Kerry, the vast majority of the population thinks that the Birthers are crazy. A lot can happen in the next few years, but right now I think that thees crazies are pushing themselves even farther onto the fringe.
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LittleLolly
09/25/09

@SarahMC: It's too soon to tell. Frankly, unless the poll is taken close to election day its not much of an indicator. Reagan's approvals dropped to the low 40s @ year before he is re-elected. Conversely, Carter was at 52% in the early part of 1980.
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dreamweave
09/25/09

In reply to Obama Approval Dropping — But Still Higher Than Reagan's
Also, Republicans, I give you my best Nelson "hA-ha!" Your approval is actually in the crapper, and you did it all by yourselves.
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dreamweave
09/25/09

In reply to Obama Approval Dropping — But Still Higher Than Reagan's
56% approval is really damn high. No president can stay at 65% approval for any length of time. So, in other words, most Americans think Obama is doing a good, yet imperfect job, considering the shit storm he was handed.
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Anna N.
09/25/09

@dreamweave: considering the shit storm he was handed.

Given everything he has had to deal with, I'm surprised his rating is as high as it is! You can't really do anything without pissing some people off, and Obama has SO MUCH to do.
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morninggloria
09/25/09

In reply to Obama Approval Dropping — But Still Higher Than Reagan's
Based on the poll numbers RE: the zillion times debunked lie that the plan would cover illegal aliens, I've come to the conclusion that 33% of institutions in America that claim to be schools are actually rodeos or churches.
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utensil42
09/25/09

@morninggloria: You may be on to something there. Though my boyfriend points out that 11% are rodeos, 11% are churches, but 11% are actually schools. For rodeo clowns.
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lalaland13
09/25/09

@morninggloria: Or rodeo/cowboy churches. Yes, these exist. It's all about roping cattle and saving souls, missy.

[en.wikipedia.org]
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Cicada
08/10/09

In reply to New Poll Shows Americans Evenly Split On Abortion
Having worked in an abortion clinic, I have a hard time giving these polls too much credit. Why? Because we had so many patients who would tell us they were against abortion. Yup. They would say things like "I'm pro-life, but I just can't have this baby" or "I have to do this, but I think abortion is wrong." Then they sign the consent forms and assure you that yes, yes, they really do want to have this horribly immoral procedure done. Oh, and as quickly as possible. With anesthetic too, please.
As a professional, I would nod and offer to go over the details of the informed consent form. In my head, I would be thinking "ARRRGGHH!!". But they would get their abortion, and I would hope that they might remember their experience the next time they went into the voting booth.
The stats are that 22% of all pregnancies end in abortion in the U.S.* That's a whole lot of women seeking abortions. That usually also means a whole lot of partners and/or family members being involved in some way. I'm not saying that the hard-core anti-choicers are out there shelling out bucks for their daughter's abortions. I do think, however, that there are a fair number of people who identify as "pro-life" who have made an exception when they have had to face their own tough real-life decisions. It is always easier to be morally pure in the abstract.
*[www.abort73.com]
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BeckyIva
08/10/09

@Cicada: Your link includes the following statistic:
The abortion ratios by state ranged from a low of 43 abortions per 1,000 live births in Idaho to a high of 770 abortions per 1,000 live births in NYC (CDC).
Comparing the rate in Idaho, a STATE, to the rate in NYC, a CITY. Soooo, I'm not really buying any of these stats.
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JerseyGrrrl
08/10/09

@BeckyIva: The population of Idaho, the STATE is about 1,523,800. The population of Brooklyn, a BOROUGH of the CITY of New York, is about 2,539,200.

Seems reasonable to compare such a sparsely populated state with a city. Also suggests a few things about politics and availability influencing behavior.
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BeckyIva
08/10/09

@JerseyGrrrl: That would be an interesting comparison/extrapolation, but this was referring to "The abortion ratios by state." I suspect that they made NYC its own state b/c including the rest of NYS in the statistic would significantly water it down and make it far less salacious. I wonder what the ratio is in Boise, Idaho?
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Cicada
08/10/09

@BeckyIva: Sorry, I was pulling from a google search. The stat is in line with the last CDC abortion surveillance report (and with what I have always heard from folks in the abortion community), which was done in 2005.
[www.cdc.gov]
Their stat has an abortion ratio of 233 :1000 (233 abortions for every 1,000 live births).
Anyway, my point is that there are a lot of abortions being done every year in this country.
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Cicada
08/10/09

@BeckyIva: I think that's exactly what they did.
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LaComtesse
08/10/09

In reply to New Poll Shows Americans Evenly Split On Abortion
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
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