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Cimorene
10:22 AM

In reply to Wimpy, Wimpy Wimpy: Democrats Are Dithering On Issue Of Abortion
This always makes me think of that subplot in the West Wing where Josh was dating Mary Louise Parker, who was the head of some women's rights group. And the president farted out on abortion rights, and she cut Josh's phone line so she could start getting her shit together so she could do stuff to help preserve women's rights, and the pres got mad at Josh, and he got mad at her, and he was like, "If we don't get re-elected, you're going to end up with Republicans, and then you'll really be fucked!" And she was like, "That's your pitch? Really? Am I supposed to be happy about that, "we're not as bad as the other guys" bullshit?"

I can't remember what happens on the show, but I remember watching it and realizing just how powerless I am to actually do anything about the slow erosion of women's rights. The republicans are clearly not interested in women-as-humans, so that's not an option. But the ones who are supposed to be for abortion, pro-women-as-people, pro-women's rights, are just fucking us over. And we can't do a fucking thing about it. Don't vote for Obama? Even if you vote for a more liberal candidate, it's basically like voting for a republican. Like everyone who voted for Ralph Nader instead of John Kerry, and they were accused of letting Bush win. It's like--I don't want someone as centrist as Barack Obama as my president. He's a perpetual capitulator, he's not going to get rid of women's rights, but he's going to let women's rights disappear and get killed by those he wants to bi-partisan with. But I don't actually have a liberal, progressive option. I have crazy-fucker-conservative, or centrist. Those are my options.

Seriously if I could live in this world without being a member of a country, I would. I seriously want to give up my American citizenship in protest. But there's nowhere for me to go. #abortion
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Lymed
10:21 AM

In reply to Wimpy, Wimpy Wimpy: Democrats Are Dithering On Issue Of Abortion
The right wing has the Americans for Tax Reform and the Club for Growth that scare the shit out of any Republican that dares support a tax increase or otherwise vary from those groups ideals. Yet progressives have been too scared to hold Democrats accountable to their promises. #abortion
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hollygirl
10:28 AM

@Lymed: Because being anti-taxes is so much less fraught than being pro-choice... #abortion
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10:21 AM

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From the NY Times article: Political calculation aside, the House Democrats reinforced the principle that a minority view on the morality of abortion can determine reproductive health policy for American women.

:( #abortion
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whynotshesaid
10:12 AM

In reply to Wimpy, Wimpy Wimpy: Democrats Are Dithering On Issue Of Abortion
They say they will fight another day for a woman's right to choose.

No, they won't. They haven't for a long time.

Democrats : abortion :: Republicans : gay marriage

Both use the issue to get people riled up, but then kind of let it fall to the wayside. I don't think, for instance, that the national GOP gives a rat's ass about gay marriage beyond that it's right up there with screenings of The Passion of the Christ when it comes to mobilizing Christian crazies en masse. A lot of Democrats seem to use abortion in much the same way.

Although, at least, Republicans are way more successful at banning gay marriage than Democrats are at securing abortion rights, so it's hardly a perfect analogy. But still, I think it fits. #abortion
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Jack_Burton
11/09/09

In reply to Democrat Or Republican, Political Women Have a Tough Road To Walk
Even though Meghan isn't the "sharpest knife in the drawer," I'd still vote for her over Palin, were they the only alternatives. Now, she's abstaining from politics, I don't lean the same way on most issues and hopefully, I would never be subject to such a scenario - but I think she has a refreshingly open mind for someone who has been so immersed in circle of Republican "royalty." She's likely not the heir to the prowess of William Buckley, but she's no Ann Coulter, either.

In many ways, I hope the Republicans (Dems, too) can be less of a platform-party and more of a party of issues; If 3rd parties can never fully realize strength in America, the next best thing, to me, would be a variety of individuals in each party that held integrity, compassion, justice, intelligence, and objectivity in high esteem.

I know... Keep dreaming. #womeninpolitics
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BearDownCBears
11/09/09

@Jack_Burton: Our system is necessarily a race to the middle, especially with the oligarchical and rurally dominant senate and the immense power o the executive. I'm hot and cold on the magnitude of the power of the exec branch, but a unicameral legislature would be much more populist and active. #womeninpolitics
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yvanehtnioj
11/09/09

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I have the hardest time feeling anything positive about Meghan McCain. Even when she says things halfway intelligent like this, my instant response is, "And it took you how many years to figure this out?"

A hyperrich white young attractive blonde woman who got an instant platform in the national media because her father is a conservative Republican Senator realizes that some women have it hard. News at 11! #womeninpolitics
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amandavmead
11/09/09

@yvanehtnioj: i think your assessment of meghan mccain is a tad judgmental. she may have gotten a pulpit through no work of her own, other than campaigning relentlessly for her father, but she is an intelligent and compassionate moderate republican. she has been attacked to no end by conservatives for her unwavering support of gay marriage and the gay community. though i may disagree with her politics for the most part, i respect that she has her own mind and her own voice, despite all of the forces trying to put her in a different box - labeled CONSERVATIVE.
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emerson.ellie
11/09/09

@yvanehtnioj: I don't know your age, but speaking from the standpoint of a 20 year old girl, it is a bit of a realization that women have to work harder than men to get half as far. We are taught in school that women have achieved equality, and it really isn't until our first foray into the "real world" that we get slapped with the reality that women have not come as far as your high school history teacher would have you believe, particularly if you come from an upper middle class background. Most of my girlfriends in college still haven't realized how much harder the workforce will be for them. I only realized it in its entirety when I took a year off between high school and college to move to New York City to work (for Hillary Clinton's campaign, no less).

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Valkyrie607
11/09/09

@emerson.ellie: I love your comment, and actually, even though I'm about 10 years older than you, I had a similar awakening upon entering the workforce. I had absorbed similar messages from school and parents about equality being a done deal.

Also, I know you may not feel like one, but please: you're 20 years old. You're a woman. Not a girl. Referring to yourself as a girl is probably unconscious, but think about how that impacts how people perceive you, and other 20-year-old women. #womeninpolitics
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yvanehtnioj
11/09/09

@emerson.ellie: But that's exactly my point. I think it's normal for people to buy into the whole "This is America, you can do whatever!" mentality until they get into the real world (although it's also very common for people that are politically aware / sensitive to see through that earlier), but the fact that she's 25 and just now getting a glimpse (emphasis on glimpse) of the real world is an example of her privilege. Most people are done with college by 21, and a huge percentage start work before that. She still doesn't have to "work" (you know, with interviews and bosses and such); her career is to be a blogger without having done any previous writing work or time in the trenches learning the craft because of who her dad is, while many talented and experienced writers are out of work due to the economy and death of print media and whatnot. I really just can't dredge up any sympathy.

@amandavmead: Nothing you just said is inconsistent with anything I said. So, um, okay? Yes I do judge her. #womeninpolitics
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bumbleleaf
11/09/09

@yvanehtnioj: I agree with emerson.ellie -- in school, many people get a sense that all these "struggles" and such are in the past, that feminism isn't in the news so much, so it must be over. I've been a feminist for a long time, and I still had a bit of a rude awakening since leaving college. (Maybe I thought it "wouldn't happen to me"?)

While MM definitely speaks from a place of (largely unexamined) privilege, you can see she's trying to leave her shelter and slowly get a grip on the world (the world world, not the world invented by the likes of Michelle Bachmann, R-Crazytown) -- even if she's not straying too far from the tent.

I think she's a ninny, but I have to admit I sort of stand behind her stated mission to reform (or at least youngify) the GOP from within. Not that I think it will work. But it's like when my parents wouldn't pull my brother out of Boy Scouts over the gay scoutmaster case, because they reasoned that if all the liberals left the BSA in protest, the organization would have no one left interested in changing its policies. #womeninpolitics
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yvanehtnioj
11/09/09

@bumbleleaf: But this is exactly my point: She's having these realizations like 5 years behind her peers because she's so. danged. privileged (which is annoying). And sure it's a somewhat natural progression to come to these realizations, but watching her interact with reality for apparently the first time ever just drives home the point that she has no business having this national platform. It's just another reminder that she hasn't earned our attention, she's inherited it.

Look, I don't hate the woman, she's not the antichrist, she's not the worst Republican of the bunch, and I hope to heaven that she can convince some of those nutjobs of basic things like "gay people deserve human rights". But I don't like her, and I find that every time she makes the news she speaks from a position of such oblivious, blind privilege that it sets my teeth on edge. #womeninpolitics
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bumbleleaf
11/09/09

@yvanehtnioj: well, yeah. hmm. You're right. #womeninpolitics
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emerson.ellie
11/09/09

@yvanehtnioj: I wouldn't say that I exactly bought into a "you can do whatever you want in America" mentality," and I resent your implying that I was not politically aware or sensitive (um, hello...I worked for Hillary Clinton beginning right after my 18th birthday). I'm simply saying this girl should be villanized for coming from a position of privilege. She certainly didn't choose it, and she seems to be trying to pop that "bubble" that you are referring to. Perhaps she is behind (although I think you are overestimating a significant portion of the population), but she's getting there. Should we begrudge her for trying?
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Valkyrie607
11/10/09

@yvanehtnioj: Yes, you judge her--accurately. #womeninpolitics
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yvanehtnioj
11/10/09

@emerson.ellie: I think resentment might be a bit of an overreaction, given that I was working from your own description that it was a surprise to discover that life was not as your high school history teacher described. But even still, I'm saying it's a common problem.

More importantly, there's nothing at all about Meghan McCain that says she's trying to pop the "bubble" of her privilege. Where did you get that idea? The way she fell ass-backward into her sinecure? Her self-appointed position as Important Republican Voice? (As much as the Rs do need better voices and serious reform, it takes a hell of a lot of chutzpah to think of yourself as the go-to person to reform one of America's two major political parties before you've ever even held down a job.) Her privilege is entirely unexamined. Realizing that there is such a thing as sexism is not the same as examining your own privilege. And yes, if you are among the most privileged people in the world and don't ever take the time to reflect on that reality or acknowledge its benefits, I will be tempted to villify you. That's the kind of attitude that allows blatant disregard for the less fortunate, and "she didn't ask to be a billionairess" doesn't negate the need for self-awareness with me.

And lastly, I was talking about entry into the real world when I said she's at least 5 years behind her cohort. We both know that there're many people who never think about sexism (though these people are very rarely women), so I surely didn't mean to imply that everyone is an informed feminist by 25. But when you factor in people that start working straight out of high school and people that work their way through community college and/or college, yes. She's very far behind her peers in re: dealing with the real world. #womeninpolitics
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FourInchHeels
11/09/09

In reply to And Now It's Time To Play Conspiracy Theory With Sarah Palin
give everyone a chance to read and debate it Nice, Sarah. That's what I say when I don't understand something and want everyone else to talk it through so I can have an opinion once all the thinking's been done for me and I don't have to create my own. Oh wait. #sarahpalin
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sybann
11/09/09

In reply to And Now It's Time To Play Conspiracy Theory With Sarah Palin
Oh honey - if we wait for YOU to get through reading the bill we'll never get health care reform. #sarahpalin
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Sir
11/08/09

In reply to And Now It's Time To Play Conspiracy Theory With Sarah Palin
Sarah Palin's biggest problem is that her parents never read her the story of Chicken Little when she was a child. "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" #sarahpalin
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Lymed
11/08/09

In reply to And Now It's Time To Play Conspiracy Theory With Sarah Palin
Perhaps she was upset that there isn't coverage for undocumented immigrants...since Palin values the sanctity of life I'm sure she believes everybody deserves access to care. #sarahpalin
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Cerridwen
11/08/09

In reply to And Now It's Time To Play Conspiracy Theory With Sarah Palin
ABORTION IS NOT HEALTH CARE???!!!! You want to tell that to the women whose pregnancies are life-threatening, Sarah? They don't deserve to have a legal medical procedure performed that might save their lives, Sarah? Should they just die, Sarah, because idiots like you don't consider abortion health care? How dare you pretend to speak for women's rights when you clearly value their lives so very little. #sarahpalin
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RenoMartini
11/08/09

In reply to And Now It's Time To Play Conspiracy Theory With Sarah Palin
"All of us who value the sanctity of life are grateful for the success of the pro-life majority in the House this evening."Guess what, me too. I value the sanctity of life as well. I value having the un- and under-insured being able to receive fair and decent medical services, I value pre and post-natal care for all babies, yearly checkups for all children, annual physicals for adults, and open honest conversations about contraception and sexual health. The lives and well-being of my fellow country men and women is deeply important to me and I value it immensely.

How about you, Sarah? #sarahpalin
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BetteD
11/08/09

In reply to Sarah Palin Warns Of Pro-Choice "Mind-Set"
Oh, Sarah! Stop using words you don't understand. Like "woman." And "mind-set." #sarahpalin
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toadaleh
11/08/09

In reply to And Now It's Time To Play Conspiracy Theory With Sarah Palin
OK, maybe unfair, but why are the 'pro-lifers' also usually pro death penalty? #sarahpalin
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Ginmar Rienne
11/08/09

@toadaleh: Because only they get to judge who gets to live or die. #sarahpalin
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curiousgeorgiana
11/08/09

@toadaleh: Okay, I don't agree with this "logic", but their reasoning normally goes:

Death penalty kills criminals. Abortion kills innocent babies.

Again, I don't agree, but that's the logic used most of the time. #sarahpalin
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Hlaode
11/08/09

@curiousgeorgiana: If god had intended to judge people himself he wouldn't have given us electricity. #sarahpalin
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snintn
11/08/09

@toadaleh: Seems to be. And just once, I'd like to hear a pro-lifer do something to support babies born into poverty. It seems to me they don't care about the baby once he or she is born. #sarahpalin
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sybann
11/09/09

@snintn: They don't - they just want to control us ignorant sinner slut whores. Since we obviously cannot control ourselves. #sarahpalin
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FourInchHeels
11/09/09

@snintn: Not true! They become valuable again when they (meaning, the males) turn 18 and can die for our country. How could you forget? :)
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/09/09

@snintn: this isn't entirely fair; even though the Catholic Church takes a fairly reprehensible line when it comes to abortion and choice, they are also fairly consistent about the sanctity of life, as they also oppose capital punishment.
plus, you know, they're kind of big on the whole anti-poverty advocacy thing, so they do actually care about people, etc. (i don't think soup kitchens are run exclusively by pro-choicers, do you?) #sarahpalin
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Raised-byHeathens
11/09/09

@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: But a lot of hard line Catholics still believe that poverty is God's punishment of the poor. Mother Theresa used to go into a village feed them twice and move on-- there was never an emphasis on helping them support themselves. Of course this isn't everybody's stance, but there is a smugness to a lot of anti-choicers that many find unpalatable. #sarahpalin
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/10/09

@Raised-byHeathens: Oh yes, of course, but Mother Theresa isn't The Church, and I was also trying to point out the ridiculousness of a blanket generalisation. Especially when you think about how nuns take a vow of poverty and humility when they enter the church (the role gender plays in these things and the comparative sacrifices of priests v. nuns is a whol'nother conversation, of course). #sarahpalin
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Raised-byHeathens
11/10/09

@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Oh agreed- absolutely. I have to side with Sarah Silverman- sell the Vatican and feed the world. I think most people just get very caught up in the over arching aspects of Religion versus the Religious. People with a deep faith foundation are fantastic for providing care and comfort to our most needy, but a lot of the institutions that provide the religion seem to fail. Blanket statements are never helpful, but it's hard to talk about the Big Issues without making them. #sarahpalin
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heywhat
11/08/09

In reply to And Now It's Time To Play Conspiracy Theory With Sarah Palin
"Despite Americans' decisive message last Tuesday that they reject the troubling path this country has been taking..." Um, no. Tuesday's election was not a rejection of Obama. Corzine was a lame duck Governor dogged by corruption charges. And quoting the Wall Street Journal gives her no credibility. For one, I doubt she has actually ever read the WSJ. For two, the WSJ is ran by Republican henchmen, the same ones who write this dummy's speeches. It's all just one big clusterfuck of Republicans echoing each others policies and talking points. For a woman who has never accomplished anything in her political life, she's got some nerve taking swings at Pelosi. Please, Sarah, just go away.
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