bitches fighting about dogs. i can't believe it. no matter how desensitized i become toward the internet, i still am amazed by the things that offend people, like negative comments about pit bulls.
Okay, I'd like to give my two little cents. I'm not going to add any discord or anything, I just wanted to contribute because I haven't heard anyone say this: I have a Rottweiler. He weighs 130lbs and he'll be four years old in August. He's beautifully behaved and sweet and gentle with little kids. He's territorial about the yard and Mr. Foibles' truck. He'll bark and growl and act tough when strangers walk by. (We have a fence, of course.) He eats (!) a giant rawhide bone every night. His teeth are horrifying and he's extremely strong. He's never growled or snapped at myself or Mr. Foibles. You can take his toys and even his blankie and he doesn't mind. So there's that. And we all have stories about all sorts of different dog breeds that bite and get vicious. My mom has a hulking tomcat that will hiss and bite and draw blood, totally unprovoked. My point in all this is, as much as we love and trust our pets, as much love and attention and care we show them, and as much as we feel that our pets are people, They're Not. They are not people. Their brains and instincts are different. And just like some people are bad, some animals are just bad. There really are bad animals, be they dogs or cats or birds. And ultimately we all have to remember that animals are just that. They do seem like little children who never grow up, and in a lot of ways they are. But it's not the same, see. So none of us pet owners could ever say with any certainty that our animals would never under any circumstance harm someone. Oh and also, to anyone who has any aversion to certain breeds or animals, hey. If that's your natural response, it's okay. Not everyone likes big dogs or little dogs or cats or hamsters. I'd never disparage a person for their likes or dislikes. As long as you aren't doing harm to animals, we should all be alright with that.
@weetziebat: No, if you have a dog, your responsibility is to train it. Even if it's under 10 pounds. Even if it fits in your purse. Even if it fits in your pocket. Even if it fits in your cat's mouth. Cats need to trained not to bite humans, too, for that matter.
The highest dog bites per breed? Golden Retriever. I hate when people stigmatize pitbulls, which were such good family dogs that they used to be referred to as "nanny dogs" in the early-mid 20th century. And they do NOT have locking jaws, that's a myth!
Yeah ok I think pit bulls are scary. Not just because I know of so many pit bull attacks...I think it's because it always seems like they have such big, thick skulls. Like their foreheads are made FOR RAMMING INTO YOU AND BITING OUT YOUR CROTCH.
Although, my friend has 3 and they are all very very sweet.
@Scout: While this may seem super cute, to me this is one mis-step away from, "Why would our dog bite our child?" No matter what, animals are ANIMALS and are therefore unpredictable! This is sloppy parenting in my books. I work with animals and have done a bunch of animal behaivour research and I would never never never let any child of mine do this. It is the same as someone allowing their small child to ride a horse bareback, alone...it can only lead to bad things. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but when you least expect it.
@Meglet: I agree (partly) but this dog could very well see its place as the baby guardian and caretaker much like their are wolves in the pack whose job it is to protect the little ones.....and they put up with a lot to do so.
That said, I expect that this baby will get nipped (though not necessarily attacked) when it becomes 4-5 years old as the dog gets older and less inclined to tolerate such behaviour.
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I don't understand why anyone would own a dog that is bred to be mean and violent, like a pit bull. Nasty creatures.
Don't tell me you've a sweet one; everyone knows at least one sweet one.
I wish folks would stick to the cute dogs. Like St. Bernards. My neices Mollie and Rosie are good girls, and will find you in a blizzard, should the need arise.
@NewsBunny: They aren't. Like any other dog, you can make them mean. Like almost any other dog, you can make them nice. When someone drops the ball and raises a rotten pit bull, then the consequences can be worse due to their strength and locking jaws, I've known pit bulls that fall in both categories, and the one thing the bad ones all had in common was bad owners, like Kenny here apparently was.
@NewsBunny: I own a pitbull. We got her at the humane society, which is full of pitbulls, all waiting for homes. They aren't bred to be violent (though they can be aggressive towards other dogs). Up until the middle of the last century, pitbulls (and similar bully breeds) were considered the ideal family pets. (See: Our Gang) Don't disparage the breed; this is the fault of the owner.
@NewsBunny: The people in this thread have it covered. I just want to add that pit bulls used to be known as "nanny" dogs because they were so good with children and families. I worked for a stray rescue that focused on pit bulls. Pits are some of the sweetest, best dogs ever.
@Ailanthus-altissima: I personally love pit bulls. They really are incredibly sweet. The people who breed them to be mean and violent are fucking scum.
When I was in NZ they were talking about banning the whole breed. I wonder if they ever did that.
@kaiwhakamarie: Pit Bulls are banned in the UK under the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act along with Japanese tosa, Dogo Argentino and Fila Brasileiro breeds.
Staffordshire Bull Terriers (which have a similar reputation for violence and fighting, despite being lovely dogs most of the time) have become the dog du jour instead.
@Beat Girl: I wasn't speaking to you. Besides, it's clear that Newsbunny is completely uninformed and she KNOWS it and doesn't care. Therefore, I shall shame her.
@MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治: Yes, definitely. When I was a kid, right down the street were two German Shepherds who were both rejected police dogs and ended up attacking me one time. It was totally traumatic, but I know that they were just bad dogs because they had bad owners, nothing more. It made me slightly more scared of strange dogs in general, but I harbor no hard feelings toward the breed. In fact, I had a German Shepherd for many years and she was the sweetest, goofiest, most lovable thing ever.
@Schmalerie: Oh my goodness - I stayed in a dog-friendly hotel last weekend, and one of the guests had the CUTEST Shepherd mix. I nearly died from the cuteness.
@BAngieB: This thread has turned into a cluster-fuck.
Newsbunny, I worked with pits and I'd be happy to talk to you about this through PMs. I remember your comments and I like you, even though we disagree radically here. I know that there is a lot of pit-fear going around right now, spurred on by some very publicized attacks, but it is overblown and does not justify demonizing the breed or breed-specific legislation.
@jengrrrl: I read a story recently about how some of Michael Vick's pitbulls had been rehabilitated and adopted out. It was absolutely heart-wrenching to hear what they went through, but many of them are very happy with their new owners and from all accounts seem to be well-adjusted, aside from some PTSD (which manifests in a fear of humans, not violent behavior). All in all, the adoptive families had nothing but praise for the dogs. It was such a sweet article. I think it was in Sports Illustrated.
@BAngieB: Good Lord, woman! May I ask why you're so...angry about this? I'm telling my experience, both personal and with what I've encountered professionally over the years.
You, with the tone of your comments, are not presenting a great front for the animal you love.
I wish you well. I always enjoy your comments here. And I don't think we've ever snapped at eachother in the past, have we?
I'm not coming to take away your pit bull, and you're not coming to force me to take one in. So..how about chilling a bit?
@NewsBunny: As usual, I'm just snarking, as that is what I do. Everyone else, including you, is taking your comment VERY seriously and getting into a big clusterfuck discussion.
I've been doing dog rescue for years, and I know a shit ton about this topic, but there is no point in getting into it at this point. What profession are you in that you claim such knowledge about this?
As for the rest of your reply, I don't know what those last three paragraphs mean. I really thought that, given the tone of your original comment, that you were kidding.
@NewsBunny: I'm fairly certain you must be joking, because you called St. Bernards cute-- ugly, huge, slobbering beasts that they are.
And the meanest dog I've ever met was one of the cutest-- an especially vicious Shi Tsu that attacked me because i happened to be sitting on her pillow at my aunt's house.
@NewsBunny: I don't think there is anything wrong with pitbulls, just that they've enjoyed popularity among trashy/bad dog-owning folks. Just as trashy folks like to give their children particular names, and no I won't give an example b/c someone will inevitably have that name. Does it mean that all of the people with those particular names are trashy? No! I hope this comment makes sense. I know it's kind of a weird analogy.
@queenieinmanhattan: Mine was a German Shepherd/ Corgi mix. As odd as that logistically sounds, it created the most ADORABLE pooch ever. Big barrel Shepherd body, that amazing Corgi smile, and a bushy white tail. She was great.
*sigh*. Okay, time to stop reminiscing on my dog =(.
@Ailanthus-altissima: Can't you see she's already made up her mind? She hates pit bulls for irrational, prejudiced reasons and has no interest in educating herself or listening to people who are more informed than she is. Fuck her.
I have no problem with Pitt Bulls and I am in love with Bullies in general. BUT it bothers me that when we were looking for a new dog in our area that the local shelters were all easily 90 percent Pitt. For this reason alone I think that breed restrictions are worth considering. Not because the breed is bad at all but because clearly there are over population issues.
As far as doggie prejudice goes I will admit that Pitts scare me a bit after having seen two attack a friends dog. But I also know that for every big bad Pit story there are ten sweet stories to counter.
@NewsBunny: I fucking hate pit bulls. I feel like they're too big, too strong, too energetic and too obnoxious. Visual preferences aside, I have never met a pit bull I actually like, they always end up jumping on me and scratching me or getting drool on my clothes and the owner is ALWAYS like "Aw, they're so friendly and happy to see you," whereas I'm like "When my scottie is happy to see me he wags his tail and looks up at me."
I don't even hate them because of attacks and shit like that (amen to the cocker spaniels being mean though, I will never allow my future children to be around cockers) I hate them because they are big and stupid and cause a lot of damage. If you can show me a pit bull who doesn't piss on my shoes when it's happy, knock shit off counters, chew up carpets, get all up in my dogs grill and piss him off or do any of the things I've experienced with pit bulls then I might start liking them again. But as it stands, I hate them.
@NewsBunny: Wow, why are there so many harsh comments? We all have a right to our opinion, but the tone of many comments is just ridiculous and don't serve any purpose. Surely we could all do a bit of digging to provide evidence of our personal POV . She didn't say she was going to poison all pitbulls or burn crosses in their owner's yards. WTF? We're not talking about apartheid or kicking babies here. So why such hostility? I wish there was more passion put towards addressing some real problems in this world, not dogs and their jaws.
Frankly, I stay the f away from pitbulls, chows, and dobies.
You guys need to quit it with the personal attacks against newsbunny because you aren't helping your cause by simply shouting the loudest.
@maggiethecat: I love NewsBunny but I have to disagree with her here, and yeah I'd probably be a bit riled by her statement were I a pit bull owner. I don't mean this in a sassy way, but how much do you know about this topic? It's a hot-button issue. Communities have discussed outlawing pit bulls.
Pit mixes are one of the most common types of dogs you will find at shelters. A lot of people work really hard to train and/or rehabilitate them, and it pisses them off -- rightly so, I think -- when people dismiss their animals as cruel, scary and ugly based upon the morons who train them for violence. Essentially, that is judging a breed based on idiots who manipulate them.
I don't know if you are a pet owner, but I don't think it's impossible to understand that a dog is a member of your family, and sweeping generalizations and ill informed dismissals of a member of your family would likely get your back up.
Plus, everyone has a point with reporting bites. Small dogs often won't break your skin and you are unlikely to report them.
@NewsBunny: The plural of "anecdote" is not "data." All dogs have the ability to be nasty or mean. I have two rescue chihuahuas, both of whom were abused, and I have to constantly watch them when they're out of the house. Bites by small dogs, while underreported, are still serious, and the responsibility of the owners. I know, for example, that any child who approaches my dog needs to be told not to hold out their hands or try to pick up the dogs. It's just how it is.
Also, "pit-type" dogs (various terriers and bulldogs that all tend to be lunped in together) do not have locking jaws. You may have them confused with alligators.
@NewsBunny: I've read a lot of posts here saying that pit bulls have not been "trained" to be people aggressive because their owners have to be able to pull them out of a dogfight to tend to their wounds...This begs the question, "Are they bred to be dog aggressive?"
I know, and believe, the Dog Whisperer's rationale that bad owners make bad dogs, and I've never had a problem with pit bulls before, but one day my husband was walking our beagle. Said beagle (whose picture is my avatar) had her nose to the ground near the fence while they were walking (the houses back up to a popular street where people walk). Three pit bulls grabbed her by her muzzle and pulled her under the fence and would not let go of her until she "acted dead." It was only then, when she gave up and let go, that those pit bulls let her go. I wish I had the pictures to show you how badly beaten up she was. And her whole personality changed--from then on she became very afraid of all other dogs, no matter if they were bigger or smaller than she was (she died a few years later).
I _know_ that bad people raise _bad_dogs, but my only experience with pit bulls has been this one. Is it not easy to understand why I would fear them, not only for myself, but for any animal that I might have with me?
I don't want to catch a lot of hate and vitriol here, but my only experience has been with pit bulls that were trained to be protection dogs or who were ignored or not taken good care of and thus became "problem" dogs. Owners of dogs who do not want, or do not have the capability of handling a strong breed kind of dog, has no business in buying one.
They ought to make people go to some sort of dog-training classes or take an exam showing that they know how to raise well-behaved dogs.
To say that dogs are "bred to be ____-aggressive" is incorrect. Dogs can be TRAINED to show aggression towards humans or other dogs. You say your only experience with pit bulls is with mistreated dogs and those owned "for protection." Well that's exactly the problem many of have identified.
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Although, my friend has 3 and they are all very very sweet.
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That said, I expect that this baby will get nipped (though not necessarily attacked) when it becomes 4-5 years old as the dog gets older and less inclined to tolerate such behaviour.
I rode bareback, alone, all the time....and only broke a toe or two :)
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Don't tell me you've a sweet one; everyone knows at least one sweet one.
I wish folks would stick to the cute dogs. Like St. Bernards. My neices Mollie and Rosie are good girls, and will find you in a blizzard, should the need arise.
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When I was in NZ they were talking about banning the whole breed. I wonder if they ever did that.
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Staffordshire Bull Terriers (which have a similar reputation for violence and fighting, despite being lovely dogs most of the time) have become the dog du jour instead.
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Newsbunny, I worked with pits and I'd be happy to talk to you about this through PMs. I remember your comments and I like you, even though we disagree radically here. I know that there is a lot of pit-fear going around right now, spurred on by some very publicized attacks, but it is overblown and does not justify demonizing the breed or breed-specific legislation.
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You, with the tone of your comments, are not presenting a great front for the animal you love.
I wish you well. I always enjoy your comments here. And I don't think we've ever snapped at eachother in the past, have we?
I'm not coming to take away your pit bull, and you're not coming to force me to take one in. So..how about chilling a bit?
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I've been doing dog rescue for years, and I know a shit ton about this topic, but there is no point in getting into it at this point. What profession are you in that you claim such knowledge about this?
As for the rest of your reply, I don't know what those last three paragraphs mean. I really thought that, given the tone of your original comment, that you were kidding.
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And the meanest dog I've ever met was one of the cutest-- an especially vicious Shi Tsu that attacked me because i happened to be sitting on her pillow at my aunt's house.
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*sigh*. Okay, time to stop reminiscing on my dog =(.
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I have no problem with Pitt Bulls and I am in love with Bullies in general. BUT it bothers me that when we were looking for a new dog in our area that the local shelters were all easily 90 percent Pitt. For this reason alone I think that breed restrictions are worth considering. Not because the breed is bad at all but because clearly there are over population issues.
As far as doggie prejudice goes I will admit that Pitts scare me a bit after having seen two attack a friends dog. But I also know that for every big bad Pit story there are ten sweet stories to counter.
Im just going to snuggle my sweet Boxer princess.
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I don't even hate them because of attacks and shit like that (amen to the cocker spaniels being mean though, I will never allow my future children to be around cockers) I hate them because they are big and stupid and cause a lot of damage. If you can show me a pit bull who doesn't piss on my shoes when it's happy, knock shit off counters, chew up carpets, get all up in my dogs grill and piss him off or do any of the things I've experienced with pit bulls then I might start liking them again. But as it stands, I hate them.
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Frankly, I stay the f away from pitbulls, chows, and dobies.
You guys need to quit it with the personal attacks against newsbunny because you aren't helping your cause by simply shouting the loudest.
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Pit mixes are one of the most common types of dogs you will find at shelters. A lot of people work really hard to train and/or rehabilitate them, and it pisses them off -- rightly so, I think -- when people dismiss their animals as cruel, scary and ugly based upon the morons who train them for violence. Essentially, that is judging a breed based on idiots who manipulate them.
I don't know if you are a pet owner, but I don't think it's impossible to understand that a dog is a member of your family, and sweeping generalizations and ill informed dismissals of a member of your family would likely get your back up.
Plus, everyone has a point with reporting bites. Small dogs often won't break your skin and you are unlikely to report them.
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Also, "pit-type" dogs (various terriers and bulldogs that all tend to be lunped in together) do not have locking jaws. You may have them confused with alligators.
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I know, and believe, the Dog Whisperer's rationale that bad owners make bad dogs, and I've never had a problem with pit bulls before, but one day my husband was walking our beagle. Said beagle (whose picture is my avatar) had her nose to the ground near the fence while they were walking (the houses back up to a popular street where people walk). Three pit bulls grabbed her by her muzzle and pulled her under the fence and would not let go of her until she "acted dead." It was only then, when she gave up and let go, that those pit bulls let her go. I wish I had the pictures to show you how badly beaten up she was. And her whole personality changed--from then on she became very afraid of all other dogs, no matter if they were bigger or smaller than she was (she died a few years later).
I _know_ that bad people raise _bad_dogs, but my only experience with pit bulls has been this one. Is it not easy to understand why I would fear them, not only for myself, but for any animal that I might have with me?
I don't want to catch a lot of hate and vitriol here, but my only experience has been with pit bulls that were trained to be protection dogs or who were ignored or not taken good care of and thus became "problem" dogs. Owners of dogs who do not want, or do not have the capability of handling a strong breed kind of dog, has no business in buying one.
They ought to make people go to some sort of dog-training classes or take an exam showing that they know how to raise well-behaved dogs.
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To say that dogs are "bred to be ____-aggressive" is incorrect. Dogs can be TRAINED to show aggression towards humans or other dogs. You say your only experience with pit bulls is with mistreated dogs and those owned "for protection." Well that's exactly the problem many of have identified.
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