A literary mansion has been built upon the crumbly rock of having shtupped J.D Salinger back in the 70's, J.D. Salinger's fame itself arising mostly from the use of initials, the "neg," and the deployment of the word "fuck."? #joycemaynard
Am I mistaken in thinking that BREAKING INTO someone's e-mail account is fucking unforgivable and possibly criminal?
Also, this: "When I was very young, my mother read my diary. And though I loved my mother, I don’t think I ever forgave her." So, the exact thing happened to her, she felt violated and then she did it to her own daughter?
Wow. Just, wow. That is a level of emotional retardation that is really hard to beat. #joycemaynard
@GirlCat: I agree. I hate when people like this use their "art/craft" to justify things which are really unjustifiable. And what about the boyfriend? Did she ask his permission to tell some intensely private things? Fuck this woman. Her talent does not make her any better than Octomom or the people from Rock of Love.
God I can't wait for these overharers to go away. #joycemaynard
Does it seem to any one else that most memoir writer types are raging narcissists as a rule? And golly don't those types just make the BEST parents...(snort). #joycemaynard
As the daughter of two writers, I should point out here that this isn't typical. It probably is, though, of writers who write compulsively about their own first-person.
As the daughter of an editor and a writer, ditto. Though I did learn that stories are different based on the teller due to my extended family's entirely different version of.... everything in our entire family. #joycemaynard
@Hiroine Protagonist: I've never read the infamous stuff about Salinger, but a few years ago I'm pretty sure I read an essay she wrote (in Vogue, maybe?) about getting romantically involved with a guy in prison and it was just creepy as hell, not least because it seemed like she was inches away from moving him into the house with her children before even checking what he was convicted of (hint: not what he told her!). It was just so superior and smarmy and self-centered, yet un-self-aware it made my skin crawl. Before that, I'd read some things that suggested maybe people unfairly didn't like her because she got access to Salinger when important literary people didn't, or because she exposed some less-than-charming qualities about the man, but that essay put me squarely in the "Yuck, Joyce Maynard," category. #joycemaynard
Dear Aud,
Momma has the New York Times biting. It's about you. I wrote it but it's about you. I also made you. You wouldn't have to go through this if I weren't the one that gave you life. Then again if I didn't give you life you wouldn't be alive. Let me know when you come over on Sunday, lets say ten-ish? #joycemaynard
@adiam7: Also, speaking of biting, two words: overbite, braces. Looking forward to seeing your lovely smile, which I paid for, and also made, out of my body, Mom. #joycemaynard
@MissNormaDesmond: Every birthday, my mother would call me to scream/wail/moan/swear into the phone reinacting my birth. All 37 hours worth. At the end, I'd have to send her a card and gift, and expressly thank her for having me and being so generous with her time and DNA.
That braces comment, seriously, has been uttered by her. It was like deja vu to read it, hehe. #joycemaynard
@VirginiaDentata: I'd call her on her birthday and do an impression of her dying by strangulation if she ever called me on my birthday again. #joycemaynard
@VirginiaDentata: Hehe no, my grandmother would've probably thrown a vase scarlet o'hara style at her head if she knew mom acted like that. 'Such things were just not done!' and all that.
Now that I think of it, it's a very messed up, Gilmore girls type relationship, with the sad additions of bipolar disorders and bad choices to make it far, far less funny. #joycemaynard
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: I just got chills. Try this: "I need you to cook for Thanksgiving at my condo because I hate to cook, and I need you to invite everyone who is close to you because I need to be close to you because I feel that you don't share enough with me. I need you to share. So, if that doesn't work for you I will have to tell all of your husband's family how disappointed I am that you wouldn't let me host Thanksgiving. Love you Sweetie!!!!!!"
"Hey, I know you're angry at me because of stuff that is TOTALLY NOT MY FAULT but remember those bedtime stories I used to tell you as a kid? What were those about? I'm thinking of trying to write a children's book." #joycemaynard
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Ye gads. The only thing that would make it better would be, "And we can write the book together! And then there will be excerpts of 'our' book in the N.Y.T.! You'd better put your thinking cap on before you ruin my life and extinguish my dreams!" #joycemaynard
@Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux: Haha. I'm half suspecting that he'll want me to illustrate it, actually. I'm not even getting into the typewritten letter that his new wife "wrote" me and he "doesn't know about" even though it came in a box with his handwriting on it. Apparently, I am a moron. #joycemaynard
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: May (insert your deity of choice here) protect us from passive aggressive over-sharers! Especially with all of the holiday gatherings coming up. Is October too early to start drinking? #joycemaynard
Never, not even at tax time, have I been happier that my Mom is an accountant.
Maynard's essay is most interesting as a snapshot of the thinking that led her to violate the trust of someone she loved, and then to write about it with herself as the protagonist. #joycemaynard
What about the man at the heart of this essay, the Haitian man who tested positive for HIV? He is pretty clearly identified by his girlfriend, by the travels they took together, by the clinic he used for treatment. Anyone think he is entitled to a vote before this personal detail of his life is published? Or is he a background character in the ongoing power struggle between this mother and daughter? #joycemaynard
@midwesternmom: I've heard the editor of Modern Love speak about the column. Due to the rules of journalism, they have to use real names and whatnot. It's up to he authors to decide if they are ok with publishing, but generally subjects are contacted. #joycemaynard
1. Ayelet Waldman is primarily a fiction writer, occasionally an essayist. She's written a lot of, shall we say, indiscreet things about her family, but she's definitely not on the Joyce Maynard level, for one thing because...
2. That Chabon money should last a while! I don't think she'll be this desperate for press. #joycemaynard
@Awestruck: Well, I was thinking more along the lines of her Bad Mommy book and her essays about her sex life and parenting. She wrote a Modern Love piece, too, didn't she? #joycemaynard
@Awestruck: I agree. Plus, she was super-charming when Terri Gross interviewed her on NPR. I will probably even read her book, so I guess I understand the inclination to defend her.
@Awestruck: She wrote a column for Salon until she'd amassed enough embarrassing revelations that I imagine her family probably begged her to stop. #joycemaynard
Ahh yes, the literary version of Lohan-style communication. I'm going to guess it is about as effective (and healthy) as communicating via Twitter & Inside Edition. #joycemaynard
I thank God every day my mother is a fantasy writer.
Oh, and the original essay is just crap. I don't see how it got published in the first place. Maynard the Elder clearly still sees her daughter an extension of herself or as her possession, in spite of what the concluding lines of the essay say. If she really had "learned her lesson" as it were, none of us would be reading this. In writing the essay, she has invaded her daughter’s privacy again, even after she vowed never to do it again. That "asking permission" email is a joke and a half. #joycemaynard
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Also, this: "When I was very young, my mother read my diary. And though I loved my mother, I don’t think I ever forgave her." So, the exact thing happened to her, she felt violated and then she did it to her own daughter?
Wow. Just, wow. That is a level of emotional retardation that is really hard to beat. #joycemaynard
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God I can't wait for these overharers to go away. #joycemaynard
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You may want to pay close attention. This is your future.
Yours,
Doodley #joycemaynard
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As the daughter of an editor and a writer, ditto. Though I did learn that stories are different based on the teller due to my extended family's entirely different version of.... everything in our entire family. #joycemaynard
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Momma has the New York Times biting. It's about you. I wrote it but it's about you. I also made you. You wouldn't have to go through this if I weren't the one that gave you life. Then again if I didn't give you life you wouldn't be alive. Let me know when you come over on Sunday, lets say ten-ish? #joycemaynard
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That braces comment, seriously, has been uttered by her. It was like deja vu to read it, hehe. #joycemaynard
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Now that I think of it, it's a very messed up, Gilmore girls type relationship, with the sad additions of bipolar disorders and bad choices to make it far, far less funny. #joycemaynard
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"Hey, I know you're angry at me because of stuff that is TOTALLY NOT MY FAULT but remember those bedtime stories I used to tell you as a kid? What were those about? I'm thinking of trying to write a children's book." #joycemaynard
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Maynard's essay is most interesting as a snapshot of the thinking that led her to violate the trust of someone she loved, and then to write about it with herself as the protagonist. #joycemaynard
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Don't get me started about politics and privilege.
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1. Ayelet Waldman is primarily a fiction writer, occasionally an essayist. She's written a lot of, shall we say, indiscreet things about her family, but she's definitely not on the Joyce Maynard level, for one thing because...
2. That Chabon money should last a while! I don't think she'll be this desperate for press. #joycemaynard
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But still. #joycemaynard
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Oh, and the original essay is just crap. I don't see how it got published in the first place. Maynard the Elder clearly still sees her daughter an extension of herself or as her possession, in spite of what the concluding lines of the essay say. If she really had "learned her lesson" as it were, none of us would be reading this. In writing the essay, she has invaded her daughter’s privacy again, even after she vowed never to do it again. That "asking permission" email is a joke and a half. #joycemaynard