Though I do agree that some people to over-spritz, I feel naked without poerfume and therefore, do spritz lightly for work. . I wear CHANCE de CHANEL . I used to wear DOLCE VITA by DIOR which was so very sexy, it truly was a great scent for me. I got many compliments. But of course at work, two women complained that they were horribly "allergic" to perfume, therefore, would I please refrain from wearing any at work. I sort of complied as we do work in an open air office. I simply stopped wearing DOLCE VITA and switched to CHANCE by CHANEL.
Interestingly, I never heard a peep after that. I especially appreciate women who say they are "allergic" to perfume while oddly being smokers. Also, pardon me for asking but why have I never met/heard a man who was allergic to perfume?
1) What does smoking have to do with anything? Are they smoking at your desk?
2) Most men don't have the guts to tell a woman she reeks. I most certainly have met men who hated or were made ill by perfumes - they just talked about the women behind their backs.
3) It's quite possible that people might be allergic to chemical compounds or oils in one perfume and not another - do you think that people who say they are allergic to peanuts, but still can eat almonds, are lying too?
4) It's also quite possible they gave up on complaining because you're being so stubborn and rude about it - much like how I haven't really said much anymore about my coworker who shrieks, screams, whistles, and sings all day at his desk, exacerbating my migranes, because if he refuses or is unable for some reason to stop by now, why bother complaining? Am I/your coworkers supposed to just quit?
Honestly, you kind of sound very selfish and mean in this post - if you were asked by HR to refrain from wearing perfume because of coworker complaints, you should've done it no different than someone being asked to dress nicer/more cleanly or people being asked to take private phone calls outside. Everyone has to work together.
1) Don't cigarettes contain many damaging chemicals?
And no, of course they do not smoke at my desk. No, they smoke at
the entrance of the building, though it clearly indicates that one must smoke at least 9 meters from the building. Also, when one returns form smoking , one reeks in the elevator, in
the stairway, in the corridor and at their desk.
2) Nice way to generalize men. I disagree completely.
3) Tobacco smoke contains over 4000 different chemicals.
4) If you knew me, which you do not, none of those insults apply at all. I can proudly say that.
Your attitude encroaches on my choices just as much as my choices encroach on yours
The reason why people do this (as explained to me by a perfumer--Christopher Brosius of CB I Hate Perfume, who you should all check out) is that they get accustomed to the smell from wearing it every day, so they spray it until they can smell it--which is several spritzes after the point at which everyone else in the room can smell it. So, rule: up to three spritzes, and then stop, regardless of whether or not you smell anything. It's there. Or, if you really can't stop until you smell it, he suggests dabbing a bit on your upper lip under your nose before spraying to prevent overkill.
Not that I ever thought I'd be quoting him, but Ashton Kutcher was right when he said, "if I can smell your perfume and we're not making out, then you're wearing too much."
I mostly loathe all commercial scents. At my house we use unscented soaps, laundry detergent, dryer sheets, and deodorant. For years I wore no perfume except nature-based oils, in particular Aveda's now-discontinued #30. (Musky, incense, amber.)
Then... well, I fell in love with Tom Ford's Absolute Amber. It's insultingly expensive, and as a commenter said upthread, he's such a douche that I hate to give him any more money. But my husband did the sweetest thing in buying me a bottle for my birthday last year: he braved a snooty store and spent too much on a product he doesn't really like, just because he knew I'd love it.
I spritz a tiny bit into the air and walk into the spray, and might put one small drop inside my wrist. Nobody's ever complained about the perfume, even friends who are allergic: and the only people who really notice it are the ones who make out with me. Perfect.
When I was a little girl in the mid to late 60's in the suburbs of DC, the fancy shopping was still downtown at three big department stores (Garfinkles, Hecht's, and Woodward and Lothrup). Mom would make us dress up to go shopping, including hats, gloves, dresses, and purses (with hanky) and we'd take the bus downtown. One of my strongest memories of those trips was the smell of the bus. Remember this was pre-air conditioning. The bus always smelled of a mix of humanity, exhaust, food, and fragrance. There would always be a little old lady or two sitting near us, dressed up to go downtown as we were and wearing a good splash of a perfume called Tigress. Tigress was available for purchase at the dime store (yes, we still had those) and came in a bottle whose cap featured genuine faux tiger fir! Very fancy, or so my 6 year old brain thought. A few weeks ago, I walked past a woman who was wearing a fragrance that for the life of me smelled just like Tigress (they can't still make it, can they?). I was stopped and was transported back in my mind to a DC bus in the 60's, there with my Mom and sister all dressed up and excited to go on our adventure.
Do you want me sweetly singing showtunes in perfect pitch, time, and tune, but very loudly, all through the day, on the bus, train, ferry, plane, in the office, mall, school, theatre, never stopping, no matter how annoying hearing the same song loudly over and over gets?
No? Then please don't do the same thing with your scent. It might be nice, it might be perfect to you, but to others it might just be a pain in the neck, quite literally. So don't apply liberally. Please apply sparingly, so that those who want to smell you up close can smell it, but those who don't or can't don't have to put up with it.
And what's worse, showtunes might give you a productivity-lowering headache, but your overly-perfumed body could give others sneezing fits (and then you'll probably complain when those people sneeze near you), runny noses, and all sorts of other germ-spreading things that cause even more productivity loss, perhaps even for you, oh strong perfume loving ones.
Spritz, walk through it, and that's all you need. Really. And please, if you wear perfume, wear unscented deodorant, not the scented kind. If you wear both perfume and scented deodorant, you'll stink after a few hours.
My signature scent is jasmine (Dyptique's Olene) which people tend to intepret as "old lady" but my husband absolutely loves.
Earlier this year, I took a job as a "professional nose" for scientific research. Now I can't even wear perfumes because my nose just recognize scents as cyclopentenones, ionones, damasecenones, nonadienals, hexenols instead of flowers, fruits or grass... The plus is nobody in my office would DARE wear strong scents to work.
By the way, I have to add that there is also the problem of the over-perfumed man/ boys.
In secondary school I remember that the boys all seemed to use the same musky and sour Lynx deodorant, spraying on so much after gym class that the changing rooms were cloudy with it.
The boys who cared that little bit more about their appearance would bring perfume in their jacket pockets. As if they felt the need to touch up between classes!
@RiloKilo: There are guys who wander around Meijer with an almost visible scent cloud. Made of Axe. This one guy, sweet jeebus. I turned onto the frozen food aisle and nearly threw up! Gah. Stores are a migraine trigger minefield as it is - shouty children, crying children, children shrieking at maximum volume, etc...
@kbrook: One morning I drove past a corner that had a group of teenage boys standing together waiting for the bus, the Axe reek was so strong that it gave me a headache from my car. I was tempted to pull over and give them application tips.
@RiloKilo: It's not just Axe either - it seems even men who are purchasing fancy colognes (read: colognes that you have to leave Walgreen's to purchase) are just dousing themselves in it from head to toe! I run into far more men on the subway who just reek of horrible, overpowering SOMETHING than I ever run into women doing this (though obviously both exist). It's incredible.
My mother wore White Shoulders in the 60's. My Christmas gifts to her were always some trendy new way to apply it....soaps, powder, bath salts....but it made me anxious when she put it on. Her sitting in front of the vanity spritzing perfume signaled the start of a very long evening for me being hauled off to some unfamiliar babysitter, enduring bad snacks and trying to sleep with scary shadows in a strange room. And then, the aliens who kidnapped my parents and took over their bodies would wake me in the middle of the night. To this day, when I smell White Shoulders, I feel the need to speed dial my therapist. Maybe this is why I have no "signature scent".
@BytheSea: Actually, if you live with someone long enough you do tend to forget that they have a smell. Or rather, you no longer notice it because your nose has become so accustomed to it.
But anyways, my problem with finding the right 'signature' scent (not that I've tried very hard) is that when I go to the perfume store, all the scents just morph into one homogenous smell so that I can't tell any brand apart from the other. Not to mention that what I like in scent often changes.
@BytheSea: Wacky as it sounds... If a person pairs a scent that works with their own natural scent, a signature scent can spring forth! :)
Before I had my children I would wear a combination of small amounts of Lotus oil behind my ears and on my wrists, a light spritz of Ralph Lauren's Romance and Nivea lotion. (Yes.--This sounds completely nutty but wait for the drop...) The combination produced a light.fresh exotic scent that worked very well in fetching comments from both men and women. Sadly, after I had my children I can't really put up with the smell of Ralph Lauren's Romance. Patchouli, Frankincense and Myrrh, and citrus oils are my favorite scents to sport now.
On the subject of how to deal with over-perfumers... If I have to regularly work with them or around them I will simply address the problem because it poses a health concern. Due to my awareness of how synthetic scents can agitate respiratory issues within others, I definitely play it safe and turn down the intensity of my scents when I am at school or out shopping.-Yet at a party or a night club, anything goes. :)
@mypowertool: So it's okay to ruin other people's party nights? A little scent goes a long way, in a good way. A lot of scent goes a long way in a very bad way, even at a party or night out. Also, it's only a "signature scent" if a person uses a small amount. Once people start drenching it on, they just smell like the bottle, and that's just annoying.
A party is someone's home. A nightclub is someone's workplace. If many people apply "anything goes" amounts of perfume or cologne, it becomes a stinky health problem even though each guest is only there for a little while.
I have nothing against scent use if it's tasteful - as in, if I'm sitting next to a person, I should be able to taste my food and not have all my food taste like my table-neighbor's overwhelming perfume.
I use just a touch of Christina Aguilera's 'By Day'. It's vanilla-y and fairly light as long as I don't bathe in it. I've not had any complaints. My 'going out' scent is Ghost's 'Deep Night' which I certainly wouldn't wear in classes or at work lest people fall to the floor choking from my dark, seductive lady-smell.
@Lachaise: Ahhhh! I know this is way late, but I had to comment anyway: I LOVE Ghost Deep Night. I wore it every single day for three years (I didn't think it was too dark for day on my skin). I went to Nordstrom's to replace it and the perfume sales lady oh-so-nonchalantly told me that it was discontinued. Like, la, sorry, nope! No longer made! With no thought to my intense devotion to that particular scent!
I can't even find it online anymore, though I haven't looked in a while. Where are you getting it?
@Scoithniamh: Discontinued? I had not heard! I'm in the UK and while I don't actively recall seeing it anywhere, I certainly haven't been looking. I have a fairly large bottle of it and don't wear it everyday so I haven't had to buy more lately. If you've a mind, check some UK sites like Boots and see if they're stocking it, perhaps you'll get lucky.
(Ten seconds later) I checked Boots.co.uk and they have it. Perhaps you could check their international shipping or hit up a friendly Brit?
My everyday scent has been Vera Wang's "Princess" for the past while, corny name, but such a fresh, light floral. I find the only way for me to apply enough without being overbearing is to spray my hair with it, then use the tiny purse-sized bottle to dab it onto my wrists, back of my ears, and inner elbow (behind knees if wearing a skirt). That way it blends nicely with my own smell and isn't so heavily concentrated in one area of my body (like my neck) that may offend someone. Isn't applying perfume directly to your neck very drying, due to the amounts of alcohol in it? Or is this just something my mother told me to get me to wear less perfume?
@cayllan: It's actually true though it's not like going to cause you to get premature wrinkling or something - but you shouldn't spray it in your hair too much either (because of the alcohol content)!
I once had a lunch RUINED because a little old lady, three tables away, got up to use the bathroom and obviously poured an entire bottle of perfume on herself while she was in there.
I sometimes wish I had a signature, scent, though. I much prefer those little roller balls than perfume you spray on. Why don't more companies make transportable perfumes in tiny flasks with roller balls on them? It seems superior in every way. You can control how much you use and more accurate apply it to pulse points.
All I want is a perfume with that sort of bottle design, with no powdery note (why is a powder scent so popular?! It reminds me of deodorant!), and a dominating rose note. Is that so much to ask?? Apparently so, because I have not found it yet.
@Oleander: There is an absolutely wonderful website called The Perfumed Court run by three women who happily decant any perfume you care to name into smaller sample sizes, including lovely 5ml roller-ball bottles. They're madly knowledgeable about scents, and their decants are extremely reasonably priced, and I cannot recommend them highly enough.
You're looking for a pure rose scent with absolutely no powder? Here are a handful to think about:
Eau d'Italie'sPaestum Rose, a soft, slightly spiced rose that is beloved by just about anyone who's smelled it, including the inimitable Chandler Burr.
Jo Malone's Red Roses, which is a crisp, pellucid rose with absolutely no fussiness or dusty powder. Burr loves this one, too.
Then there's S-Perfume's oddly-named but strangely beautiful watercolour rose, 100% Love. It doesn't smell like any other rose scent I know - it has a silky, light-as-air quality that is just beautiful. It was created by the grand dame of rose perfumes, Sophia Grojsman, and is one of her very best.
@A Small Turnip: Wow.
You are a wealth of resourcefulness!
I don't suppose you would be willing to work your magic with the scent of rosewood, would you?
There's a fantastic book called The Emperor of Scent, which discusses lots of the issues brought up here (not the allergies but the nature of scent, the associations with memory, the chemical properties of of perfume and some of the big names in the science of smell and development of perfume amongst other things).
In the first few pages, a famous perfumier is talking about the difference between American and French taste in perfume and he comments on how attractive the scent of "an unwashed woman" is to the French, and the converse for Americans. Hence the tendency to "clean" smelling perfumes.
@jowhite: The Emperor of Scent is such a fascinating book, isn't it? I have to confess that some of the chemistry was way, way over my head, but I still love Turin's bolshy, unorthodox approach to scent. He's one of a kind, that's for sure.
Oh this is so on my mind at the moment. A co-worker has recently upped her dosage of whatever perfume she wears (I don't recognize it but it has to be something you can buy at CVS -- a cloying, powdery, single-note floral). She wears so much of it that it turns the entire area of the office where we and several others sit into a Terrible Perfume Zone. You can be yards and yards away from her and still smell this smell. For example, at my desk. It has been bad enough some days to give me headaches -- not migraines, thank god -- and spoil my lunch. Why does this salad taste like bad perfume?... oh yeah.
I have pretty bad allergies but they've never been triggered by a perfume before. (I actually am able to WEAR perfume but do try to be conservative in my application, parTICularly for the office.)
Anyhoo. I spoke to my boss and she talked to the HR VP who said there was nothing to be done since it wasn't like this lady isn't showering. So... you can call people on their B.O.-funk but not on their perfume that's giving other people headaches? WTF.
@IkeaLover: Keep in mind that just because you are able to wear one perfume doesn't mean that some ingredient contained in another couldn't possibly trigger allergies - they're all different so yours might have a completely opposite chemical make-up to the one causing you problems.
I'm VERY sensitive to fragrances and generally wear very light, fresh scents (lemon-based scents, soliflores, soapy, 'clean' scents like Philosophy's Amazing Grace) to avoid making myself feel sick. Boutique or more obscure brands also tend to have more delicate, subtler fragrances too (like The Different Company's Sel de Vetiver, which smells like the actual salty, cold, gray sea, not the 'aquatic'-cucumber-y, coconut and suntan-lotion nonsense that mainstream companies will claim is the smell of the beach and the sea).
I absolutely abhor cheap, artificial scents. I hold my breath when I walk by Bath & Body Works and similar places to avoid triggering a headache. All my soaps and shampoos are made by 'natural' companies, which use real herbal essences and essential oils--these are always lighter and more nuanced than artificial fragrances. I also loathe most department-store/popular perfumes, even pricey classics like Chanel No. 5 and Dior J'Adore. I can only stand them in very small doses and only on other people (who are walking away from me).
I've come to the conclusion that most people must have a very poor sense of smell, if these types of strong, sweet, heavy fragrances are so popular. Not to mention the fact that many perfumes nowadays are made with synthetic ingredients that tend to be harsher than the real stuff, making the olfactory assault even worse.
I can't imagine walking around in a cloud of fragrance all day long. Doesn't it affect the taste of your food? The scent of your coffee? I'm going to be generous and guess that people who bathe in perfume don't realize how bad they stink since you become desensitized to your chosen scent. Plus, most people don't realize that they shouldn't spritz perfume directly from the bottle onto their skin. Spray it into the air and walk into it. Or use small dabs from the bottle on a few pulse points. That's ALL you need and it's less likely to bother other people that way.
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Interestingly, I never heard a peep after that. I especially appreciate women who say they are "allergic" to perfume while oddly being smokers. Also, pardon me for asking but why have I never met/heard a man who was allergic to perfume?
11/30/09
1) What does smoking have to do with anything? Are they smoking at your desk?
2) Most men don't have the guts to tell a woman she reeks. I most certainly have met men who hated or were made ill by perfumes - they just talked about the women behind their backs.
3) It's quite possible that people might be allergic to chemical compounds or oils in one perfume and not another - do you think that people who say they are allergic to peanuts, but still can eat almonds, are lying too?
4) It's also quite possible they gave up on complaining because you're being so stubborn and rude about it - much like how I haven't really said much anymore about my coworker who shrieks, screams, whistles, and sings all day at his desk, exacerbating my migranes, because if he refuses or is unable for some reason to stop by now, why bother complaining? Am I/your coworkers supposed to just quit?
Honestly, you kind of sound very selfish and mean in this post - if you were asked by HR to refrain from wearing perfume because of coworker complaints, you should've done it no different than someone being asked to dress nicer/more cleanly or people being asked to take private phone calls outside. Everyone has to work together.
11/30/09
1) Don't cigarettes contain many damaging chemicals?
And no, of course they do not smoke at my desk. No, they smoke at
the entrance of the building, though it clearly indicates that one must smoke at least 9 meters from the building. Also, when one returns form smoking , one reeks in the elevator, in
the stairway, in the corridor and at their desk.
2) Nice way to generalize men. I disagree completely.
3) Tobacco smoke contains over 4000 different chemicals.
4) If you knew me, which you do not, none of those insults apply at all. I can proudly say that.
Your attitude encroaches on my choices just as much as my choices encroach on yours
Thank you, Artemisia
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I mostly loathe all commercial scents. At my house we use unscented soaps, laundry detergent, dryer sheets, and deodorant. For years I wore no perfume except nature-based oils, in particular Aveda's now-discontinued #30. (Musky, incense, amber.)
Then... well, I fell in love with Tom Ford's Absolute Amber. It's insultingly expensive, and as a commenter said upthread, he's such a douche that I hate to give him any more money. But my husband did the sweetest thing in buying me a bottle for my birthday last year: he braved a snooty store and spent too much on a product he doesn't really like, just because he knew I'd love it.
I spritz a tiny bit into the air and walk into the spray, and might put one small drop inside my wrist. Nobody's ever complained about the perfume, even friends who are allergic: and the only people who really notice it are the ones who make out with me. Perfect.
11/30/09
Memory of scent is a powerful thing.
11/30/09
No? Then please don't do the same thing with your scent. It might be nice, it might be perfect to you, but to others it might just be a pain in the neck, quite literally. So don't apply liberally. Please apply sparingly, so that those who want to smell you up close can smell it, but those who don't or can't don't have to put up with it.
And what's worse, showtunes might give you a productivity-lowering headache, but your overly-perfumed body could give others sneezing fits (and then you'll probably complain when those people sneeze near you), runny noses, and all sorts of other germ-spreading things that cause even more productivity loss, perhaps even for you, oh strong perfume loving ones.
Spritz, walk through it, and that's all you need. Really. And please, if you wear perfume, wear unscented deodorant, not the scented kind. If you wear both perfume and scented deodorant, you'll stink after a few hours.
/gets off lightly scented soapbox.
11/29/09
Earlier this year, I took a job as a "professional nose" for scientific research. Now I can't even wear perfumes because my nose just recognize scents as cyclopentenones, ionones, damasecenones, nonadienals, hexenols instead of flowers, fruits or grass... The plus is nobody in my office would DARE wear strong scents to work.
11/29/09
In secondary school I remember that the boys all seemed to use the same musky and sour Lynx deodorant, spraying on so much after gym class that the changing rooms were cloudy with it.
The boys who cared that little bit more about their appearance would bring perfume in their jacket pockets. As if they felt the need to touch up between classes!
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But anyways, my problem with finding the right 'signature' scent (not that I've tried very hard) is that when I go to the perfume store, all the scents just morph into one homogenous smell so that I can't tell any brand apart from the other. Not to mention that what I like in scent often changes.
11/30/09
Before I had my children I would wear a combination of small amounts of Lotus oil behind my ears and on my wrists, a light spritz of Ralph Lauren's Romance and Nivea lotion. (Yes.--This sounds completely nutty but wait for the drop...) The combination produced a light.fresh exotic scent that worked very well in fetching comments from both men and women. Sadly, after I had my children I can't really put up with the smell of Ralph Lauren's Romance. Patchouli, Frankincense and Myrrh, and citrus oils are my favorite scents to sport now.
On the subject of how to deal with over-perfumers... If I have to regularly work with them or around them I will simply address the problem because it poses a health concern. Due to my awareness of how synthetic scents can agitate respiratory issues within others, I definitely play it safe and turn down the intensity of my scents when I am at school or out shopping.-Yet at a party or a night club, anything goes. :)
11/30/09
A party is someone's home. A nightclub is someone's workplace. If many people apply "anything goes" amounts of perfume or cologne, it becomes a stinky health problem even though each guest is only there for a little while.
I have nothing against scent use if it's tasteful - as in, if I'm sitting next to a person, I should be able to taste my food and not have all my food taste like my table-neighbor's overwhelming perfume.
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I can't even find it online anymore, though I haven't looked in a while. Where are you getting it?
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(Ten seconds later) I checked Boots.co.uk and they have it. Perhaps you could check their international shipping or hit up a friendly Brit?
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I sometimes wish I had a signature, scent, though. I much prefer those little roller balls than perfume you spray on. Why don't more companies make transportable perfumes in tiny flasks with roller balls on them? It seems superior in every way. You can control how much you use and more accurate apply it to pulse points.
All I want is a perfume with that sort of bottle design, with no powdery note (why is a powder scent so popular?! It reminds me of deodorant!), and a dominating rose note. Is that so much to ask?? Apparently so, because I have not found it yet.
11/29/09
You're looking for a pure rose scent with absolutely no powder? Here are a handful to think about:
Eau d'Italie'sPaestum Rose, a soft, slightly spiced rose that is beloved by just about anyone who's smelled it, including the inimitable Chandler Burr.
Jo Malone's Red Roses, which is a crisp, pellucid rose with absolutely no fussiness or dusty powder. Burr loves this one, too.
Then there's S-Perfume's oddly-named but strangely beautiful watercolour rose, 100% Love. It doesn't smell like any other rose scent I know - it has a silky, light-as-air quality that is just beautiful. It was created by the grand dame of rose perfumes, Sophia Grojsman, and is one of her very best.
Good luck in your scent hunting!
11/30/09
You are a wealth of resourcefulness!
I don't suppose you would be willing to work your magic with the scent of rosewood, would you?
11/29/09
In the first few pages, a famous perfumier is talking about the difference between American and French taste in perfume and he comments on how attractive the scent of "an unwashed woman" is to the French, and the converse for Americans. Hence the tendency to "clean" smelling perfumes.
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I have pretty bad allergies but they've never been triggered by a perfume before. (I actually am able to WEAR perfume but do try to be conservative in my application, parTICularly for the office.)
Anyhoo. I spoke to my boss and she talked to the HR VP who said there was nothing to be done since it wasn't like this lady isn't showering. So... you can call people on their B.O.-funk but not on their perfume that's giving other people headaches? WTF.
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I absolutely abhor cheap, artificial scents. I hold my breath when I walk by Bath & Body Works and similar places to avoid triggering a headache. All my soaps and shampoos are made by 'natural' companies, which use real herbal essences and essential oils--these are always lighter and more nuanced than artificial fragrances. I also loathe most department-store/popular perfumes, even pricey classics like Chanel No. 5 and Dior J'Adore. I can only stand them in very small doses and only on other people (who are walking away from me).
I've come to the conclusion that most people must have a very poor sense of smell, if these types of strong, sweet, heavy fragrances are so popular. Not to mention the fact that many perfumes nowadays are made with synthetic ingredients that tend to be harsher than the real stuff, making the olfactory assault even worse.
I can't imagine walking around in a cloud of fragrance all day long. Doesn't it affect the taste of your food? The scent of your coffee? I'm going to be generous and guess that people who bathe in perfume don't realize how bad they stink since you become desensitized to your chosen scent. Plus, most people don't realize that they shouldn't spritz perfume directly from the bottle onto their skin. Spray it into the air and walk into it. Or use small dabs from the bottle on a few pulse points. That's ALL you need and it's less likely to bother other people that way.