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IamnotStarJones
09/20/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
I hope Liz Jones moves to New York.
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y0shimi
09/19/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
"In some ways, this class-rage is typically British; in America, despite our yawning inequalities, we simply don't have millennia enough to build up the same caliber of inherited resentment - and even our "oldest" and richest families are mere parvenus by Euro standards. In England, the posh are as 50s suburbia is to us - universally and tacitly reviled, even by those who come of it and try to distance themselves via self-loathing."

That's an almost Liz Jones level generalisation there, or perhaps I have never noticed that I hate the upper classes?! I suspect a significant proportion of Daily Mail readers resent and are disappointed by the real upper classes because that's what they aspire to but can never be, their writing reflects that. You must have been reading too much Daily Mail if you're starting to think we all think like that.
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rah29
09/19/09

@y0shimi: Well said; that statement made me a bit uncomfortable too. I don't think all Brits really hate the very posh. I think it's fair to say that there's an awkwardness and a resentment that comes from that fact that true poshhood is basically unattainable except by birth; you can't become one of the set Jones describes just by making lots of money. But it's no more severe than the way middle-class Brits feel about, say, chavs. Anyone who's been in a room full of Old Etonians would have plenty of reasons to hate the posh, but having been in that situation myself, I think a lot of people just find toffs to be a little weird and sometimes downright amusing.
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FizzyGood
09/19/09

@rah29: I was just about to say the same thing as you guys. If anything, from what I gather from US TV, there's an equally weird love-hate thing in the American class system (how many US TV shows and movies involve a blue collar-ish person thrust into the world of the privileged, who are almost always from California?).

Secondly, I really want to hammer home the fact that Liz Jones' LETTERBOX was shot at, not her MAILBOX. They are completely different things. A mailbox is a bread bin on a stick, a letterbox is a flappy hole in your door. Having the latter shot at is a much bigger deal than the former.
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voteforme
09/19/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
So this woman was invited to a rich-people party and was too stupid to enjoy the food and shmooze for a better job? People who call out rudeness or classlessness in other people are being even more rude or classless than the accused person.
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Snowbunny
09/19/09

@voteforme: Exactly. If she truly hated posh women she would have taken one of those "honey-locked" 18 year old boys and had a lovely, posh time on one of the dirty beds. Take that! Now your life is a soap opera and Liz Jones isn't the only character playing drama-polo in front of the world.
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Charlotte Beer
09/18/09

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Dear World, I'm so SO sorry that my country has unleashed this vile creature on you. Please take Daniel Craig and Clive Owen with my apologies.
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Mireille is German for the Bart, the.
09/18/09

@Charlotte Beer: Happily!
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Triphena
09/18/09

@Mireille is German for the Bart, the.: No, don't give in! We're holding out for Matthew McFayden too- only then can there be forgiveness.
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IBleedGlitter: The High Priestess of Tinsel
09/18/09

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I wonder what would happen if we put Liz Jones, Ann Coulter, and MeMe Roth is a room together? I bet someones head would explode...probably mine.
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Charlotte Beer
09/18/09

@IBleedGlitter: The High Priestess of Tinsel: The meeting would obviously take place in the 7th Circle of Hell.
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betty.black
09/18/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
Wow. Liz Jones is Ann Coulter minus politics.
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Plum-Pie
09/18/09

@betty.black: Brilliant!
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heykoukla
09/18/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
This is actually a very petty-minded revenge piece. Rachel Johnson, the editor of The Lady magazine, and a neighbour of Liz's, wrote a piece last week in which she criticised Liz for not making an effort with her neighbours, and for generally rubbing people the wrong way. She referred to a party to which she'd invited Liz, only for her to moan about the lack of "attractive" people attending.
So here is Liz, writing about the exact same party, and calling Johnson's house filthy. Charming.
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Lymed
09/18/09

@heykoukla: And saying she wishes she could shoot Johnson? Or is it Johnson's children she wants to shoot? I can't quite tell. Ugh.
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heykoukla
09/18/09

@Lymed: I know, it's a thousand times worse because she's talking about a specific person and her family. That's some seriously unhinged behaviour.
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emilyanne
09/18/09

@heykoukla: Exactly - I really think that this is a piece they should have thought twice before running, it's very unpleasant.
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roxythekiller
09/18/09

@heykoukla: They were both just angry that the rats didn't like them.
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plumberry
09/18/09

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You can replace the word hate with envy and the whole article reads a lot more coherently.
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katie.scarlett.o'hara
09/18/09

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Is she really ...okay? I mean, it takes a special kind of bitter to talk about wanting to shoot children, unless I totally misunderstood that quote.
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SwapnaKingfisher
09/18/09

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She hates everyone else because they don't hate themselves the way she hates herself, seems to me. That a whole lot of hating for one person.
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Meangirl.is.for.the.Horde
09/18/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
Let's get her a date with Kanye West and they can sit around and congratulate themselves on how they are the only ones bold enough to "call people on their shit" because they are "not afraid to tell it like it really is"!
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Laulau
09/18/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
Let's be honest, she's just out of topics. One might not like upper classes for various reasons - I've had lovely students from some of the best prep schools in the US, but some of them are obnoxious for all of the obvious reasons - but when you're pointing to mouse poop? That is not a class thing. It's called that person is gross, lazy, and/or can't afford to deal with the problem - I say this as someone who had a HUGE mouse problem for three years. They poop. Everyone poops, as the book says. I think she just ran out of thing to talk about.
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TheGintheCity
09/18/09

@Laulau: I think it's less of a poop/dirt problem, but rather, it's the stereotype of the ancient, crumbling British ruling class. Posh doesn't necessarily mean rich, it means your great-great-.whomevers were lords. You might own a giant manor house, but it's 300 years old and you can't afford to heat it.
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southwer
09/18/09

@TheGintheCity: yeah, I think this is a specifcally british kind of thing - my husband always says that the difference between the toffs and the nouveau riche in britain is their description of their cars - the nouveau riche will tell you the make, model, etc., while the toffs will say "I don't know, it's big enough to fit the dogs!" the point being, the british upper classes take a bit of pride in being kind of dowdy, run-down, crumbling, - you're not supposed to take any notice of luxuries or what anything costs. if that makes any sense. probably not.
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rah29
09/19/09

@southwer: Indeed. My two poshest friends (and these are some very, very posh people) have no money at all. One of my friends was the first in his family who they couldn't afford to send to Eton as Dad squandered all the family cash in the 60s. They still live on their family estate, dogs and the lot. The only suit my friend has is his great-grandfather's morning suit (tails and all). He's totally poor, but posh as all hell. My other friend lives in this crazy rambling old house in the country. It's freezing (no central heating) and there are cows in the garden, and there's a 'tapestry room'. When we stay there everyone gets a four-poster bed. And his mother served us roadkill pheasant. That's the type Jones is lambasting here, it's a cheap stereotype that's shorthand for major upper crust. Doesn't mean they have money though.
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
09/18/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
Liz is like, the grown up equivalent of that one bitchy mean girl in high school who nobody liked but she was convinced that everyone loved her because she was like, so hardcore, man. So she'd talk shit about you behind your back to anyone who would listen but then she was all surprised when nobody wanted to go to prom with her.
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chi-girl
09/18/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
I couldn't get past the post heading because now I am hearing everything in David Brent's voice. Women are as filthy as men. Not naming any names - I don't know any - but women... are... dirty.
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thebestofjillhives
09/18/09

In reply to "I Hate Posh Women - They Are All So Stupid, Inept And Absolutely Filthy."
We Americans may not *appear* to have the caste system that the Brits have, but I think it's only because we like to couch our classism in our racism. Cozy together in an American Made loveseat I think.
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Laulau
09/18/09

@thebestofjillhives: Well, and an over-inclusive reading of "middle class". People like "Roseanne" and people who live in $800,000 houses all consider themselves to be "middle class". Those people do not have the same advantages and privileges.
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ihateyourescalade
09/18/09

@thebestofjillhives: Oh, we have a huge socioeconomic caste system. Just ask the billionaires and hundreds-of-millions-aires who don't pay any taxes because the rest of us carry them. It's the wealthy who think people who don't have health insurance are simply lazy. It's the private-jet owners, the $200,000 watch-collectors, the couture-wearing "elite" with the huge carbon footprints who live simply for their own pleasure, damn the rest of us.
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