I've though I'm not a fan of factory farming, I'm really not convinced by this whole "the factory did it!" line of reasoning.
In 2007 when there was a lot of panic over avian flu, millions of birds were killed in Asian because there was a worry that the family farming tendency to live with your chickens could spread disease to humans. Breathing in the respiratory secretions of an infected bird or pig can infect you.
Yes, contaminated water could be part of the disease path, but small farming comes with its own set of risks.
This "Mexican flu" bullshit is very worrisome. Wasn't the plague blamed erroneously on the Jews?
In college I took a course about the psychology of inhumanity and the holocaust, and we learned that in times of difficult change (i.e. serious economic downturns) populations have a hard time adjusting and end up scapegoating--and killing--a minority population. There's so much hatred here in the US toward Mexicans and Latinos in general, I've wondered for a long time what would happen if things in this country got really bad, and with the economy, and now this "Mexican flu" on top of it...it may become very dangerous to be a Mexican or Hispanic in this country.
CNN says that the child who died was brought to Texas from Mexico for treatment and was not a US citizen. Not that it's any less sad or tragic, but it's also not like this flu has sickened and killed Americans now. Whatever it is that is making this lethal to Mexicans has not crossed the border.
@Liz11685: I would think that's the most likely answer, but I've read that the poor air quality in many areas may have compromised the the immune systems of the victims. I also read on BBC over the weekend a quote from a Mexican official saying that everyone who had died had not sought medical care until the flu was very, very advanced, which almost certainly ties into a poor health care system.
Of course I haven't seen that reported here, because why ruin a good panic-inducing story with facts and common sense and more information?
@Triphena: I haven't seen that reported either, but it makes sense. I was already thinking that the reason why the flu has been so deadly in Mexico had to do with the kind of health care received by those who died, because it certainly wasn't because they had a different strain of the flu than everyone else who has had it.
Not that I believe the government, but everything I have seen from WHO and others say that pig waste is not the problem, that it is a respiratory disease that would require humans to basically be in close contact with the sneezing pigs.
Woo hoo! The CDC just confirmed a case of the piggysniffles at my school. I think this makes us the first American university to succumb. Woot! (Note: the student is okay.)
(Also, it is totally divine punishment for allowing that abortion-monger Obama to speak at our commencement. I'm taking bets as to how long it will be before the right-wing crazies in and around Notre Dame say this in public.)
@wtfox?!: There might be a case at my university as well. We are 20 minutes or so from the Mexican border and Tijuana (where there is a HUGE concentration of cases), so I wasn't that surprised. The student is fine at my school as well.
I am waiting for them to just CLOSE THE BORDER IN A PANIC! Which could grind the city to a halt. Ugh.
Does anybody else feel that slaugtering all the pigs in Egypt will prevent disease? By slaughter, humans will be in even MORE contact with pigs and if there are infected pigs , the disease will spread. Just stay away from them people, common sense .
Maybe if there wasn't such rampant anti-immigration pitchfork wielding in this country, illegal immigrants without proper documentation wouldn't be afraid to seek medical care in the US. Ah, our glorious, glorious healthcare industry.
(I'm not a doctor or a health professional, but I like clear information for laypeople, and the blogger, Jim MacDonald, is pretty good at this.)
From the article:
"Now, your influenza virus is a simple one. It doesn't even have DNA in it. It has strands of RNA in its center. RNA mutates pretty fast. But here's the really tricky part about the flu: it has a sneaky way of getting past the immune system, even if you've had the flu before. The shell or capsule that surrounds that RNA is made of two proteins, hemagglutinin and neuramidinase. Hemagglutinin and neuramidinase can move like the tiles in a sliding-block puzzle, presenting different protein shapes to your antibodies. Hemagglutinin and neuramidinase are the H and N that you see when people talk about Influenza H5N1 or H1N1 or H3N2 or what-may-have-you. There are fifteen known types of hemagglutinin and nine known types of neuramidinase, and they have subtypes below that. Those two substances keep moving around, so that antibodies don't recognize them. This is called 'antigen drift.'"
Like I said, I'm not in the health care industry at all, but I find this stuff interesting and I like pointing it out to other folks who might find it interesting (that and I sort of secretly love Jim Macdonald.)
Is the H1N1 swine flu virus the same as human H1N1 viruses?
No. The H1N1 swine flu viruses are antigenically very different from human H1N1 viruses and, therefore, vaccines for human seasonal flu would not provide protection from H1N1 swine flu viruses.
So no, it's unlikely that you would have some sort of immunity to this new brand of H1N1 just because you've had some other brand of flu before. It takes time for your body to cook up the right type of antibodies to kill off a novel strain. The flu virus itself isn't even really a living thing--it's some dumb RNA strands that need a host to even replicate!--but even something that's dumb as a box of hair can mutate rapidly and cause bad shit.
@tscheese: There's a really interesting book by John Barry called The Great Influenza. It's about the flu of 1918, but it's got a lot of science-y bits about the flu virus and how it works. It's really interesting and he does a really good job writing for people who don't have an MA in Biochemistry without dumbing the information down.
I have been washing my hands excessively, using skin killing amounts of Purell, giving the hairy eye to anyone who coughs into their MOTHERFREAKING HANDS on the bus and staring sadly/angrily at the women who don't wash their hands when they leave the bathroom.
Just doing my part to place the blame on everyone.
@samethingwedoeverynightpinky: It's better to cough on the crook of your arm. Hands touch doors, other people etc, so it's better to cough or sneeze into your inside elbow.
I had a nightmare last night that a cholera epidemic broke out in Chicago, and that they traced it back to me because I had not washed my hands properly after leaving lab and had gotten cholera on the bus handrails.
@samethingwedoeverynightpinky: What SunburnedCounsel said. People always look at me like I'm crazy for coughing and sneezing into the crook of my arm, but it's on all the posters in doctor's offices and on buses/public transit in my area during cold/flu season.
It is horrible that someone died, but to put it into perspective, it was a two-year old. Young children are already far more likely to die from ANY flu, not just this. In 1918, influenza took down incredibly healthy adults. When those people start dropping everywhere, I will be worried.*
*And yes, I am omitting the cases outside of the US for the purpose of this argument, because I am already hearing people screaming about how the death toll has hit our shores and we will all follow suit.
In Mexico, the residents exposed are exposed primarily because of the extraordinarily unsanitary measures put forth by the COMPANIES that raise pigs. Pig farming is already atrocious and dangerous to begin with, both for the animals and their keepers. Couple this close proximity with an area that doesn't have the widest access to healthcare, and major cases are what happens. It's not because pope are dirty, or inferior, and I swear to God I'm telling off any human being to tries to ascertain otherwise.
It would be much wiser, methinks, to reevaluate this blame of Mexican persons and shift focus onto the corporate pork industry that pumps their pigs full of antibiotics so they can keep as many pigs as close as possible, destroy any biodiversity of the species and produces tons of toxic waste from pig shit. Toxic waste that leaks into the neighborhoods where their farms are located.
That would be companies like Smithfield, whose toxins have been killing people in NC for quite a while.
@ritualtheory: "According to the EPA, Smithfield's largest farm-slaughterhouse operation -- in Tar Heel, North Carolina -- dumps more toxic waste into the nation's water each year than all but three other industrial facilities in America."
And basically, it pollutes the environment, not to mention the meat. To the point that exposure to the waste via falling into some of the ponds around the facility has killed people.
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In 2007 when there was a lot of panic over avian flu, millions of birds were killed in Asian because there was a worry that the family farming tendency to live with your chickens could spread disease to humans. Breathing in the respiratory secretions of an infected bird or pig can infect you.
Yes, contaminated water could be part of the disease path, but small farming comes with its own set of risks.
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In college I took a course about the psychology of inhumanity and the holocaust, and we learned that in times of difficult change (i.e. serious economic downturns) populations have a hard time adjusting and end up scapegoating--and killing--a minority population. There's so much hatred here in the US toward Mexicans and Latinos in general, I've wondered for a long time what would happen if things in this country got really bad, and with the economy, and now this "Mexican flu" on top of it...it may become very dangerous to be a Mexican or Hispanic in this country.
We need to not let that happen.
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Of course I haven't seen that reported here, because why ruin a good panic-inducing story with facts and common sense and more information?
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(Also, it is totally divine punishment for allowing that abortion-monger Obama to speak at our commencement. I'm taking bets as to how long it will be before the right-wing crazies in and around Notre Dame say this in public.)
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I am waiting for them to just CLOSE THE BORDER IN A PANIC! Which could grind the city to a halt. Ugh.
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(I'm not a doctor or a health professional, but I like clear information for laypeople, and the blogger, Jim MacDonald, is pretty good at this.)
From the article:
"Now, your influenza virus is a simple one. It doesn't even have DNA in it. It has strands of RNA in its center. RNA mutates pretty fast. But here's the really tricky part about the flu: it has a sneaky way of getting past the immune system, even if you've had the flu before. The shell or capsule that surrounds that RNA is made of two proteins, hemagglutinin and neuramidinase. Hemagglutinin and neuramidinase can move like the tiles in a sliding-block puzzle, presenting different protein shapes to your antibodies. Hemagglutinin and neuramidinase are the H and N that you see when people talk about Influenza H5N1 or H1N1 or H3N2 or what-may-have-you. There are fifteen known types of hemagglutinin and nine known types of neuramidinase, and they have subtypes below that. Those two substances keep moving around, so that antibodies don't recognize them. This is called 'antigen drift.'"
Like I said, I'm not in the health care industry at all, but I find this stuff interesting and I like pointing it out to other folks who might find it interesting (that and I sort of secretly love Jim Macdonald.)
Here's more information from the CDC website:
Is the H1N1 swine flu virus the same as human H1N1 viruses?
No. The H1N1 swine flu viruses are antigenically very different from human H1N1 viruses and, therefore, vaccines for human seasonal flu would not provide protection from H1N1 swine flu viruses.
So no, it's unlikely that you would have some sort of immunity to this new brand of H1N1 just because you've had some other brand of flu before. It takes time for your body to cook up the right type of antibodies to kill off a novel strain. The flu virus itself isn't even really a living thing--it's some dumb RNA strands that need a host to even replicate!--but even something that's dumb as a box of hair can mutate rapidly and cause bad shit.
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"Oh no! Butthead has cholera!"
"PooEater died forging the river!"
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I had a nightmare last night that a cholera epidemic broke out in Chicago, and that they traced it back to me because I had not washed my hands properly after leaving lab and had gotten cholera on the bus handrails.
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*And yes, I am omitting the cases outside of the US for the purpose of this argument, because I am already hearing people screaming about how the death toll has hit our shores and we will all follow suit.
In Mexico, the residents exposed are exposed primarily because of the extraordinarily unsanitary measures put forth by the COMPANIES that raise pigs. Pig farming is already atrocious and dangerous to begin with, both for the animals and their keepers. Couple this close proximity with an area that doesn't have the widest access to healthcare, and major cases are what happens. It's not because pope are dirty, or inferior, and I swear to God I'm telling off any human being to tries to ascertain otherwise.
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The Pope washes his hands before every Eucharist. I have utmost confidence in his sanitation.
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That would be companies like Smithfield, whose toxins have been killing people in NC for quite a while.
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And basically, it pollutes the environment, not to mention the meat. To the point that exposure to the waste via falling into some of the ponds around the facility has killed people.
I get this from a story RollingStone did on Smithfield. [www.rollingstone.com]
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I love North Carolina tremendously, but their industrial complexes have more blood on their hands than Lady Macbeth.